Utopian Sub v2 - You, Me, and Barney's Farm Makes 3 - Perpetual 2000w

[Green Utopia]

Re: Minor tip for newer growers

I agree 100%. In my last grow I bought in to the propaganda and did an early and a late harvest (two weeks apart), thinking the early harvest would be more cerebral and the late harvest would be more physical and stoney. Pure hooey. The only difference I could tell between early and late harvests was that the late harvest had longer lasting effects and the buds were bigger. I'll always let 'em finish (50/50 amber) from now on.

Great advice as always Papa

Thanks for that. I think its important for folks to hear from more than just me on this subject. I too have tested it and I got 100% the same results from 4 different strains and many different smokers. I used about 15% amber vs 50% amber for a test. Every single person agreed the high from the later buds was better.

Some folks found the stony stuff TOO stony, and wanted some that had been harvested early because it would not get them as high. So I gave those folks two bags - one that was the same stuff, harvested early, and one that was a different strain that simply has less THC, but it was harvested at 50%. EVERY SINGLE PERSON preferred the one harvested at 50%.

Every single person repeated the same thing you just said up there. The premature stuff was the same high - just less of it. Just when they thought they were about to get stoned, it felt like they were coming down. And anyone who smokes regularly had to smoke 2x as much of the premature stuff.

I really think 50% is the LOW end for harvesting. For me, anything less than 50% is an early harvest. If you want THC buy a strain with THC. If you want CBDs buy a strain with high CBD. If you want a beer, don't buy a shot of Vodka and water it down. It will never be beer. Trying to give a strain characteristics it otherwise doesn't have will not work in my opinion. All you can do is subtract, not add.

Thus concludes my extended rant on the evils of early harvest propaganda.

Thanks!! heheheh.



EDIT: The only reason I don't go for 100% amber is because some tris ripen faster than others. Unfortunately at a certain point the number of tris turning from light amber to dark amber is greater than the number turning from milky to amber. This is the harvest window in my opinion. After those 3-7 days then you have degraded more THC than will be formed anew.

 

[Green Utopia]

Re: Papa Green's Utopian Sub v2 - You, Me, and Barney's Farm makes 3 - Perpetual 2000

Hi all, me again. While I'm venting, I just discovered last night that there is a whole Deep Water Culture forum now. I don't like it. There is no reason aero systems should be separated from all other hydro, other than to create a clique.

I was finding it interesting reading all the aero stuff and I enjoyed the visits and insight from growers like LabRat. Now there is very little interaction between the "Deep Water Culture" and everyone else. If I click on a link that says "Journals in Progress" - I want to see ALL the journals in progress. Indoor, outdoor, soil, aero, nft, E&G, ebb and flow, drip, flood, pro-mix, clay, wheels, turntables, scrogs, bogs, sogs, vertical, horizontal, perpetual and seasonal.

Deep Water Culture is not a new growing technique. Its a name some aero growers gave themselves. If we start dividing the site along those lines there will be no rhyme or reason to the overall navigation. I already find threads that are related to many things being isolated in the Deep Water Culture thread. That stuff should be out there for everyone. Seriously its almost like a whole other site. Having one thread that everyone goes to is one thing. Having a whole area of forums for one clique is another.

Anyways - I'm pretty sure this post can do nothing but make some folks angry, and nothing will change except that no Deep Water Culture will come to my thread anymore. But I wish it would be the opposite. I wish they would throw themselves into the rest of the community and share their wisdom. I was enjoying it.

So to all you Deep Water Culture - please come back and play nice with the other kids. To everyone else, if you've not seen some of the journals in their forum, there are some good ones there.

 

[Green007]

Re: Papa Green's Utopian Sub v2 - You, Me, and Barney's Farm makes 3 - Perpetual 2000

Thanks for that. I think its important for folks to hear from more than just me on this subject. I too have tested it and I got 100% the same results from 4 different strains and many different smokers. I used about 15% amber vs 50% amber for a test. Every single person agreed the high from the later buds was better.

Some folks found the stony stuff TOO stony, and wanted some that had been harvested early because it would not get them as high. So I gave those folks two bags - one that was the same stuff, harvested early, and one that was a different strain that simply has less THC, but it was harvested at 50%. EVERY SINGLE PERSON preferred the one harvested at 50%.

Every single person repeated the same thing you just said up there. The premature stuff was the same high - just less of it. Just when they thought they were about to get stoned, it felt like they were coming down. And anyone who smokes regularly had to smoke 2x as much of the premature stuff.

I really think 50% is the LOW end for harvesting. For me, anything less than 50% is an early harvest. If you want THC buy a strain with THC. If you want CBDs buy a strain with high CBD. If you want a beer, don't buy a shot of Vodka and water it down. It will never be beer. Trying to give a strain characteristics it otherwise doesn't have will not work in my opinion. All you can do is subtract, not add.

Thus concludes my extended rant on the evils of early harvest propaganda.

Thanks!! heheheh.



EDIT: The only reason I don't go for 100% amber is because some tris ripen faster than others. Unfortunately at a certain point the number of tris turning from light amber to dark amber is greater than the number turning from milky to amber. This is the harvest window in my opinion. After those 3-7 days then you have degraded more THC than will be formed anew.

Thanks for that papa, I was gonna harvest some early but not any more.

Hi all, me again. While I'm venting, I just discovered last night that there is a whole Deep Water Culture forum now. I don't like it. There is no reason aero systems should be separated from all other hydro, other than to create a clique.

I was finding it interesting reading all the aero stuff and I enjoyed the visits and insight from growers like LabRat. Now there is very little interaction between the "Deep Water Culture" and everyone else. If I click on a link that says "Journals in Progress" - I want to see ALL the journals in progress. Indoor, outdoor, soil, aero, nft, E&G, ebb and flow, drip, flood, pro-mix, clay, wheels, turntables, scrogs, bogs, sogs, vertical, horizontal, perpetual and seasonal.

Deep Water Culture is not a new growing technique. Its a name some aero growers gave themselves. If we start dividing the site along those lines there will be no rhyme or reason to the overall navigation. I already find threads that are related to many things being isolated in the Deep Water Culture thread. That stuff should be out there for everyone. Seriously its almost like a whole other site. Having one thread that everyone goes to is one thing. Having a whole area of forums for one clique is another.

Anyways - I'm pretty sure this post can do nothing but make some folks angry, and nothing will change except that no Deep Water Culture will come to my thread anymore. But I wish it would be the opposite. I wish they would throw themselves into the rest of the community and share their wisdom. I was enjoying it.

So to all you Deep Water Culture - please come back and play nice with the other kids. To everyone else, if you've not seen some of the journals in their forum, there are some good ones there.

I'm a Deep Water Culture and I've been at your thread for quite some time now papa. I've learned a lot from you so far. (that is why I gave you props on the MOTM thread) I have friends here who only grow soil but I still go to their threads and learn from them. My take on it is this, splitting into sub-forums makes it easier to navigate to the specific info you are looking for. This is especially true as the forum grows and more people join. I do agree with you though that people need to expand their horizons and gather as much information as they can. Take what you want and leave the rest, that's how we learn. And I think they got there name based on this Deep Water Culture System from one of 420's sponsors. My 2 cents.

 

[Green Utopia]

Re: Papa Green's Utopian Sub v2 - You, Me, and Barney's Farm makes 3 - Perpetual 2000

Thanks for that papa, I was gonna harvest some early but not any more.



I'm a Deep Water Culture and I've been at your thread for quite some time now papa. I've learned a lot from you so far. (that is why I gave you props on the MOTM thread) I have friends here who only grow soil but I still go to their threads and learn from them. My take on it is this, splitting into sub-forums makes it easier to navigate to the specific info you are looking for. This is especially true as the forum grows and more people join. I do agree with you though that people need to expand their horizons and gather as much information as they can. Take what you want and leave the rest, that's how we learn. My 2 cents.

Good deal,man! Let's fuck those commercial growers who are squeezing in an extra harvest at the expense of our nice ripened buds!

Re the Deep Water Culture stuff, I totally appreciate that. And as I have been zipping around the site since I wrote that I realized that I wasn't focused enough in my gripe. I think the prob is with the site nav - NOT the Deep Water Culture. I THINK the BBHs are actually isolated and its costing them easy access to the rest of the site. I KNOW its harder for me to see them.

I don't know how others navigate the site, and perhaps that would be an interesting topic. I start by responding to any posts on my thread, then I just click on "Journals in Progress" and start from the top. When I enter a thread I use the "View First Unread" button. Then when I'm finished with a thread I click the "Journals in Progress" breadcrumb at the top. I do this because if I use "Back" it doesn't remember that I've been to the page, so the "View First Unread" won't work unless I actively navigate. I continue down the "Journals in Progress" reading ALL of them that I find interesting.

Using this flow, I would NEVER see the BBH area. The only way I found it is because I followed a link in someone's signature - in fact I think it was yours. I used to use the Subscribe feature, but frankly I just ended up subscribed to everything. Three weeks ago I had 128 threads in my subscribed journals.

If I make a suggestion that the bbh area be included in Journals in Progress - everyone will think I'm hating. If you and Roseman and MC and other bbh make the request, then I think it might take.

All I want is to play with you guys. I grow in 3 different mediums and about to add a 4th. I'm about to build an aero cloner. And when this scrog is done - you may have noticed the res is the one for the $500 GH Aero system. I will be reviving that.

But I don't want to have to be a Deep Water Culture to play with you guys.

 

[Green007]

Re: Papa Green's Utopian Sub v2 - You, Me, and Barney's Farm makes 3 - Perpetual 2000

I hear you about the subscriptions and navigating, lol. I start by checking my subscriptions and then going to the Grow Room and then picking topics from there. It is what it is. But don't feel you have to be a "Deep Water Culture" to come play. Everyone is welcome to post anywhere they want. This is a public forum after all and now you know where it is so you can find the journals again. I've seen people post on the Deep Water Culture home thread who don't even use hydro at all but just wanted an opinion about a product. It's all good. I wonder if MC had any idea what would happen when he started the home thread. It was just a thread for some people who used Deep Water Culture to get together and chat. (from what I understand) and then Bam! next thing you know it's growing faster than our plants! lol. It seems to me that an awful lot of people are purchasing the SH Deep Water Culture System and want a specific place to go to talk about it with others and view other journals similar to what I wanted to do. When I was a newbie (I guess I still am kind of) I found it easier to navigate other Deep Water Culture user journals by having them seperate. After I got alittle more comfortable I started to browse other areas. I would think 420 would be willing to do the same for any group if they wanted to.

I joined the Deep Water Culture because by joining you are supposed to be taking a pledge to learn all about Deep Water Culture, be friendly and courteous, and then pass that knowledge along to help somebody else. In the end we are all here for the same reason, to learn and grow. Deep Water Culture or not, you're still top shelf in my book brother.

 

[Green Utopia]

Re: Papa Green's Utopian Sub v2 - You, Me, and Barney's Farm makes 3 - Perpetual 2000

I hear you about the subscriptions and navigating, lol. I start by checking my subscriptions and then going to the Grow Room and then picking topics from there. It is what it is. But don't feel you have to be a "Deep Water Culture" to come play. Everyone is welcome to post anywhere they want. This is a public forum after all and now you know where it is so you can find the journals again. I've seen people post on the Deep Water Culture home thread who don't even use hydro at all but just wanted an opinion about a product. It's all good. I wonder if MC had any idea what would happen when he started the home thread. It was just a thread for some people who used Deep Water Culture to get together and chat. (from what I understand) and then Bam! next thing you know it's growing faster than our plants! lol. It seems to me that an awful lot of people are purchasing the SH Deep Water Culture System and want a specific place to go to talk about it with others and view other journals similar to what I wanted to do. When I was a newbie (I guess I still am kind of) I found it easier to navigate other Deep Water Culture user journals by having them seperate. After I got alittle more comfortable I started to browse other areas. I would think 420 would be willing to do the same for any group if they wanted to.

I joined the Deep Water Culture because by joining you are supposed to be taking a pledge to learn all about Deep Water Culture, be friendly and courteous, and then pass that knowledge along to help somebody else. In the end we are all here for the same reason, to learn and grow. Deep Water Culture or not, you're still top shelf in my book brother.

Cool info on the origins of Deep Water Culture. But... I still can't actually find your forum. If I go to "The Grow Room" I see sub-forums, no threads. The only sub-forums I see that would possibly make sense to put the Deep Water Culture sub-forum in would be "Journals in Progress" or "Hydroponics" - but its not there. LOL I literally can't find it again unless I use a signature, and I'm on a mission to see if I can find it without using a sig. Hrm.

Rock on, man - and thanks for a civilized convo.

 

[Green Utopia]

Re: Papa Green's Utopian Sub v2 - You, Me, and Barney's Farm makes 3 - Perpetual 2000

AHA! I found it!

420 Magazine > The Grow Room > Hydroponics > Deep Water Culture

now the path to ALL the other journals:

420 Magazine > The Grow Room > Journals in Progress


hrm....


I better be careful, or instead of bringing the Deep Water Culture back into the fold, they're liable to create other sub forums for every other grow system. Gadzooks that would drive me crazy!

 

[Green Utopia]

Re: Papa Green's Utopian Sub v2 - You, Me, and Barney's Farm makes 3 - Perpetual 2000

Thanks for the link to the Stealth Hydro site! Man those guys are great at putting up their Manuals! It's a dang how to. Both building and growing.

Very super handy.

 

[Aberration]

Re: Papa Green's Utopian Sub v2 - You, Me, and Barney's Farm makes 3 - Perpetual 2000

I have a hard time with separating the forum up as well, but I guess it keeps me from picking up too many threads.

I use a folder of bookmarks in FF that is right on my toolbar. I middle-click to open them all at once. They are: my current journal (open to latest), my subscriptions, Journals in Progress, General 420 Talk, and the 420 smiley list. I go through them in that order. I subscribe to every thread I post in. I try not to post everywhere and flood myself. I un-subscribe when I lose interest in a thread (mostly in gen talk). I know - no art.

And as I grow more, I'm beginning to agree more and more forcefully with waiting. It is very rewarding in the final product.

 

[Green Utopia]

Re: Papa Green's Utopian Sub v2 - You, Me, and Barney's Farm makes 3 - Perpetual 2000

I have a hard time with separating the forum up as well, but I guess it keeps me from picking up too many threads.

I use a folder of bookmarks in FF that is right on my toolbar. I middle-click to open them all at once. They are: my current journal (open to latest), my subscriptions, Journals in Progress, General 420 Talk, and the 420 smiley list. I go through them in that order. I subscribe to every thread I post in. I try not to post everywhere and flood myself. I un-subscribe when I lose interest in a thread (mostly in gen talk). I know - no art.

And as I grow more, I'm beginning to agree more and more forcefully with waiting. It is very rewarding in the final product.

Do you change the link in your bookmarks to your last page every time you get a new page? I have been unable to find a dynamic link. I change it every few days as I feel like it. That would be super-handy.

And amen on the harvest time.

 

[Green Utopia]

Pics!

LOL - what's wrong with this picture?

 

[Green Utopia]

Up To Date take on Pure Blend Pro Line of Nutrients

This scrog will be the third cycle of plants I've used the Pure Blend Pro line of semi-organic nutes, and all the additives. As of today, I believe I am ready to make some pretty firm guidelines for myself for using these nutes. And I wanted to throw this out there for discussion.

I have moved the Utopia Haze to its own res (really two 5g buckets with tube between) and I upped the nutes to 1950ppm at pH 5.75 last nite. Right now it is at 1750ppm and 5.75 pH. So I'm pretty sure that means that's spot on for the feeding. Water and nutes going down at same rate to keep pH balanced. Very interesting.

The plants in Veg are showing some burn, and curl. Their ppm was ( I just fixed it as soon as I saw it) 1550ppm in early to mid veg. That was upped a few days ago from 1250 because they were showing early signs of N deficiency. Their pH has climbed very slowly over the last few days, indicating the plants are drinking more nutes than water. Yet their ppm has also climbed. When this happens I usually find I have an imbalance. I find I get much better results when its flat or the other way around - ie. they are drinking more water than nutes and the pH will drop.

The feeding schedule on the label is very good, but not quite right for my strains.

I have seen the N deficiency in every strain at some point in their veg cycle. Adding Cal/Mag+ so far has not been enough to offset the deficiency. Also, the veg nutes need to be added at or BELOW what the label calls for, or I see real burn and curling.

The N def is easy to correct as they move to flower by using some of the PBP Grow, Cal/Mag, and the PBP Bloom. I am investigating other sources of N to be added in Veg. If anyone has any suggestions please speak up.

If I'm not careful about getting the PBP Bloom and PBP Bloom Soil in then the N def is often replaced by a P def in mid flower. This can be prevented or corrected with 2ml/g of Hydroplex. Also the Bloom nutes should be applied at the levels on the label or HIGHER. The two grows previous to this I allowed the nutes to float around 1750-1900 in full flower and the plants loved it. This time I was far more conservative at about 1500-1650 and I'm fairly certain almost all the plants would have preferred more. Especially with the greater amounts of CO2.

Aside from these adjustments, I have found the line to be very forgiving and easy to use.

Not cheap. Next test will be a super cheap liquid fert. Something like 8-8-8 with some additives. The more I look at the different brand name nutes and ingredients and the journals on this site like Aberration who makes his own kooky concoctions - the more I think the only major differences between the brands is in the ratios of the ingredients they use. If this is the case, and I need to add all this stuff to get the ratios right for my plants, then I don't need to start with the expensive stuff.

I can start with the cheap stuff and add a little Cal/Mag for N and Hydroplex for P. And Liquid Karma. If I can cut the PBP Grow, Bloom, Soil from the equation back to cheapo stuff it will save me about $100/month.

And if I don't see these plants in Veg get better in literally two or three days I will go ahead and switch brands to something. Most of my bottles are empty right now so its a good time. Whether I go cheap or go back to a two or three part nute is tbd. I'm really leaning towards cheap. I can tell you this - I'm getting fantastic growth in my tomatoes, Zucchini, peppers and most importantly, the Volde outside - and they have gotten nothing but Miracle Gro potting soil and water.

I think that's the extent of my notes on Pure Blend Pro. Go low in Veg, high in Flower, add N in Veg, add P in Flower. Liquid Karma is a slam dunk at every stage of growth from clone to flower.

Very good organic nutes, but expensive.

 

[Green Utopia]

Mini Update

I took a small clipping of the Volde last nite. It is very pleasing.

 

[Green Utopia]

Re: Papa Green's Utopian Sub v2 - You, Me, and Barney's Farm makes 3 - Perpetual 2000

Ok - I took a nice vapo of the Volde about an hour ago and I've been in heaven since. This should not be considered a smoke report, but I am baked and wanted to share

It is what I would call very stony bud. Whole face is numb. It is also very up. Lots of energy. And then it throws a curveball! My head is spinning like a mutha! Very cool. If you don't like roller coasters you would not like this I don't think. All the other stuff is still there - the stone, the head stuff, the narcotic effects. But it really is like being on Abbey Hoffman's bicycle.

I can't speak to the flavor yet cause I've only vapo so far. But the smell is really cool too. I can't remember whether its this one or the Utopia that was described as nutty, but to me this one definitely has a nice nutty/chocolate smell. Very similar to Nutella hazelnut.

The buds are firm! Very nice consistency. Not nearly as hard as I was afraid they'd be. They're just dense, not hard.

This and the Utopia Haze are the grower's choice, so I'm not sure how much of this will get to patients Each will get to smoke some for sure to see if they want it for next time - but its definitely not a smoke for beginners - either grower or smoker.

 

[Green Utopia]

Re: Papa Green's Utopian Sub v2 - You, Me, and Barney's Farm makes 3 - Perpetual 2000

Well shit. I was in the market for some aero stuff this weekend, but unfortunately I didn't see this in time:

Deep Water Culture miss a lot of great discussions and debates about Deep Water Culture on that thread. This week, we saw on that thread that StealthHydro was offering an additional 15% Discount if you used the word MEMORIAL as a coupon. With the Deep Water Culture 10% Discount, that was a great savings. Please visit the HOME thread often to stay alert as to what the Deep Water Culture are up to. MostlyCrazy was nominated for May Member of the Month and I think voting starts today or tomorrow.

Thanks for nuthin. I can't believe I read this site for hours every day and have to work to find info on aero. This is starting to suck.

 

[Vanilla Kush]

Re: Papa Green's Utopian Sub v2 - You, Me, and Barney's Farm makes 3 - Perpetual 2000

If you don't like roller coasters you would not like this I don't think. All the other stuff is still there - the stone, the head stuff, the narcotic effects. But it really is like being on Abbey Hoffman's bicycle.

I wish They didn't Build a glass ceiling, but people started throwing bricks after him.
Abbey Hoffman should be childrens role model.
I stole that book haha.

But Fantastic Grow =D
Love the pics, especially the scrog one with the light behind it, thats a very good shot mate!

 

[Aberration]

Re: Papa Green's Utopian Sub v2 - You, Me, and Barney's Farm makes 3 - Perpetual 2000

Do you change the link in your bookmarks to your last page every time you get a new page? I have been unable to find a dynamic link. I change it every few days as I feel like it. That would be super-handy.

And amen on the harvest time.

A normal URL for a thread might end like this:

.../94244-aberration-goes-ker-bloom-2009-a.html​

The URL for the first post you have not read in the same thread is identical, except it ends like this:

.../94244-aberration-goes-ker-bloom-2009-a-new-post.html​

All you do is take the default URL and add "-new-post" right before ".html". When anyone clicks on that, the forum software knows to look up what they have already seen in that thread and takes them to the new stuff.

Actually, the link in my sig goes to the first post in my journal. I should change that.

 

[usul]

Re: Papa Green's Utopian Sub v2 - You, Me, and Barney's Farm makes 3 - Perpetual 2000

All the other stuff is still there - the stone, the head stuff, the narcotic effects. But it really is like being on Abbey Hoffman's bicycle.

Hahaha! You may have convinced me to do a sativa for my next grow. I was going to grow White Widow but just realized I have some Brainstorm Haze seeds chillin in the fridge. Hmmmm...

P.S. Everyone: don't forget to check out this month's member of the month contest. Polling is open, Papa Green is in the running and he can use you vote! Here's a link to The Poll

 

[Green Utopia]

Re: Papa Green's Utopian Sub v2 - You, Me, and Barney's Farm makes 3 - Perpetual 2000

A normal link to a thread might end like this:

.../94244-aberration-goes-ker-bloom-2009-a.html​

A link to the posts you have not read in the same thread is identical, except it ends like this:

.../94244-aberration-goes-ker-bloom-2009-a-new-post.html​

All you do is take the default link and add "-new-post" right before ".html". When anyone clicks on that, the forum software knows to look up what they have already seen in that thread and takes them to the new stuff.

Actually, the link in my sig goes to the first post in my journal. I should change that.

Wow - nice. That's gonna help me lots!

I wish They didn't Build a glass ceiling, but people started throwing bricks after him.
Abbey Hoffman should be childrens role model.
I stole that book haha.

But Fantastic Grow =D
Love the pics, especially the scrog one with the light behind it, thats a very good shot mate!

Thanks! I play around with the exposure and get lucky sometimes.

Hahaha! You may have convinced me to do a sativa for my next grow. I was going to grow White Widow but just realized I have some Brainstorm Haze seeds chillin in the fridge. Hmmmm...

P.S. Everyone: don't forget to check out this month's member of the month contest. Polling is open, Papa Green is in the running and he can use you vote! Here's a link to The Poll

Its pretty crazy weed. Can't wait to really smoke it dried and cured.

And thanks again for the compliments and MOTM vote! I wish I could vote for so many in that contest. There's a few other members on this page alone that are nominated that certainly deserve to win as well.

 

[Jasonlee247]

Re: Papa Green's Utopian Sub v2 - You, Me, and Barney's Farm makes 3 - Perpetual 2000

lol, sounds like the Volde is living up to it's true name, huh? makes you wonder. Bout' the Deep Water Culture thing I thought it was about Deep Water Culture/deepwaterculture, but now it seems that most everyone that doesn't grow in dirt wants to be there. It's like a cult in a cult. Don't get me wrong, I mean in no way to dis it, but it's strange. Maybe we should start Ebb&flowHeadz, or MultimediumMates, etc..... I've used (and still use) most mediums out there that people have heard of, and even some that they haven't so I didn't post my Journal there. As a matter of fact, I got Drip, Aero, DWC, and Passive Coir going right now. Shit, most people compliment me on my sweet 'Soil' grow.......It aint soil. It's passive hydro........whats that?.............here we go again. I guess thats the main reason I'm not posting in the BH threads as much. .....But hey, variety is the spice of life, and if you truly understand the nutritional and environmental needs of your plants the learning curve of different methods goes way down. Deep Water Culture is (or is thought to be) so specific, that I just wouldn't know were to start.


I do think that it seperates some of the growers here, but then again, some of us prefer that seperation, and quite frankly, if your feeling it then the more power to ya. As far as I'm concerned, we got the best right here in the 'normal, same old, ordinary journals'!!

We got the big guns. WOOHOO!!!

Ok, you got me blabbing. I think that your baking has rubbed off on me. AGAIN, I WANT TO STATE THAT THIS IS PURE CONVERSATION, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO START A FIGHT AMUNGST US 420ERS!

MAY THE FORCE BE WITH US ALL IN OUR JOINED FIGHT AGAINST THE MAN-CHILD.