moutaingrown
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lol............ i think he got you mixed up with me
Un-Lucky Queen 12/12 Hempy
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yup, sure did, all you mountains look alike, lol
Old Goat
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Here's an article that addresses the best way to incorporate OC into a soil mix:
https://www.acta-agrophysica.org/artykuly/acta_agrophysica/ActaAgr_170_2009_14_1_83.pdf
basically, the conclusion is that, at least in soil, it works better mixed evenly into the mix versus more localized applications.
https://www.acta-agrophysica.org/artykuly/acta_agrophysica/ActaAgr_170_2009_14_1_83.pdf
basically, the conclusion is that, at least in soil, it works better mixed evenly into the mix versus more localized applications.
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Great article, SS. It makes total sense.....putting the prill at the bottom of the pot makes it hard for the nutrients to move up the perched water table. Osmocote recommends top dressing or mixing in with the medium as the best use of their product.
I also want to mention a couple other things:
Putting the prills in a hempy bucket, near the bottom, is NOT equal to doing to same thing in soil! There are no drains as the bottom of the hempy....just the damn hole, 2 inches up. This allows the nutrients to diffuse into a relative "pool" in the reservoir. It makes sense to me that in a hempy, putting the prills just above the drain hole is optimal, as the water washes over them and helps diffuse nutrients into the mix. Also, the prills will eventually work their way down towards the bottom, so putting in the charge up into the bucket at first makes sense.....
I've got no studies to prove this.....but I can tell you a couple things:
1.)OC+ works very well in pure perlite
2.)OC+ works better in soil than in perlite
3.)OC+ works better than fox farms and Advanced Nutrients in either medium.
I can't wait to try dynamite! Maybe I'll do an Osmocote/dynamite comparison on my next grow.........hmmmmm........
HermitCrab
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I think another thing to consider regarding the coloring of the Perlite is that the OC could be doing the same exact thing to soil, or any media, but the soil is not bright white and thus not noticeable. It could just be a byproduct of the coating.
That would be a very cool test. You could also consider splitting into 4 groups, OC, Dynamite, OC+suppliments, Dyna+suppliments.
That would be a very cool test. You could also consider splitting into 4 groups, OC, Dynamite, OC+suppliments, Dyna+suppliments.
yep, I mentioned that possibility in the post where I talked about the blue perlite. It may very well be that it's completely normal but the white perlite allows you to see it.
that would be a great comparo doc!
which version of Dynamite do you think you'd use?
that would be a great comparo doc!
which version of Dynamite do you think you'd use?
MountainHigh
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I couldn't get them locally but I still might order them online, but I was thinking of doing an Organic Dynamite and/or the Mater Magic Dynamite...the Mater Magic is organic and it might be enough alone and the ratio's are better than the other's as far as too much nitrogen. The other dynamites are too long of time release too. 9 months..the organic's are only 3 months.
Just my two cents...btw I bought a OC+ anyway and will be trying a few grows with it first...4.5 pounds for less than $20, what a steal. Half my outside garden pots got OC+ed already and the other half will in a week or so...they just got Organicare Pure'd or I would of added the prills already.
Just my two cents...btw I bought a OC+ anyway and will be trying a few grows with it first...4.5 pounds for less than $20, what a steal. Half my outside garden pots got OC+ed already and the other half will in a week or so...they just got Organicare Pure'd or I would of added the prills already.
Cool!
can't wait to hear how things turn out!
can't wait to hear how things turn out!
And we all appreciate the research Doc! Could ya throw some coco in with the perlite some time as part of your comparisons?
Just to be devvil's advocate here: maybe I read this study too fast but I think it's flawed. I didn't see any comparison data on the plants, only on the residual nutrient levels in the medium. Seems all they proved is if the prills are distributed evenly, their contents will leak into the medium evenly; and if not it won't. Did the localized application plants do better or worse? It's debatable whether plants care that concentrations are higher on one side of the pot than the other - they transport them to where they need them. That's one of the reasons the "water in one spot" thing works. I guess if you sell a agricultural product you have to have some studies...
The study does state that the concentrations of nutes with the OC evenly distributed are "optimal for peppers", but you're right, they do not mention actual growth differences.
Perhaps they feel it's a given that the plants would grow better with evenly distributed nutes than localized.
Maybe watering in one spot works better in hempy than soil due to differences in having a res versus not, different medium with different wicking properties, etc.
The prills release nutes when water flows over them. That dynamic makes a huge difference in how they will behave when localized or mixed evenly, even if you mark the spot where you localized them.
There may also be a problem with the prills being in close proximity to each other because that may cause a lower osmotic gradient and they would release nutes slower than if they were spread out.
This was exclusively a soil study, so I'm not sure we can draw too many parallels to how it works in hempy. I think the dynamics are too different.
Perhaps they feel it's a given that the plants would grow better with evenly distributed nutes than localized.
Maybe watering in one spot works better in hempy than soil due to differences in having a res versus not, different medium with different wicking properties, etc.
The prills release nutes when water flows over them. That dynamic makes a huge difference in how they will behave when localized or mixed evenly, even if you mark the spot where you localized them.
There may also be a problem with the prills being in close proximity to each other because that may cause a lower osmotic gradient and they would release nutes slower than if they were spread out.
This was exclusively a soil study, so I'm not sure we can draw too many parallels to how it works in hempy. I think the dynamics are too different.
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The dynamics of a hempy bucket and a soil container are quite different, and the root systems have adapted differently.
The wicking action of perlite is far greater than that of soil.....and depending on the soil, it will cling to nutrients differently than the perlite, etc.
Due to the perched water table phenomenon, the bottom of the pot isn't really where the roots and doing their business....it's above that level. So putting prills at the bottom of the pot means any nutrients must wick up from the bottom of the soil into the root zone.
Of course, if you follow the manufacturers directions:
In other words....it's great as a base nute or for growing a "wide variety of crops." In addition, they say to incorporate it in the medium or top dressing...or both.
In another place on the website, they show a trial where they tried to kill plants by using 100 times the dosage.....the plants did NOT die and did just fine.
This stuff is not only stoner proof....it's better than most stoner nutes, hands down. 100 times less expensive too.
HorseBadoritz
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Hey Doc,
Glad to see everything's worked out, again
I totally wonked out my hempy deal. I put 1/4 charge of OC+ in the bottom. Stuck the girls in dry perelite, and later added another 1/4 charge at one spot in the top.
Then I figured the FF Big Bloom would be good for them. Might have been, but bat shit makes a mess in the pool
After a couple weeks of prescriptive therapy, and a major flushing, they look pretty danged good to me.
I think I'm going supplement (I did go pretty light with the OC) with the GH one part, or just more OC at the top?
I know you like hygrozyme. I went to pick some up, and it was 35 beans a qt.! I balked. What exactly do it do that makes you so happy about it? I buy good spirits and meds for myself, and I want to treat the girls right... but if it's like buying another pair of shoes w/ a matching handbag... well...
Glad to hear you got relaxicated
Glad to see everything's worked out, again
I totally wonked out my hempy deal. I put 1/4 charge of OC+ in the bottom. Stuck the girls in dry perelite, and later added another 1/4 charge at one spot in the top.
Then I figured the FF Big Bloom would be good for them. Might have been, but bat shit makes a mess in the pool
After a couple weeks of prescriptive therapy, and a major flushing, they look pretty danged good to me.
I think I'm going supplement (I did go pretty light with the OC) with the GH one part, or just more OC at the top?
I know you like hygrozyme. I went to pick some up, and it was 35 beans a qt.! I balked. What exactly do it do that makes you so happy about it? I buy good spirits and meds for myself, and I want to treat the girls right... but if it's like buying another pair of shoes w/ a matching handbag... well...
Glad to hear you got relaxicated
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Hey Doc,
Glad to see everything's worked out, again
I totally wonked out my hempy deal. I put 1/4 charge of OC+ in the bottom. Stuck the girls in dry perelite, and later added another 1/4 charge at one spot in the top.
Then I figured the FF Big Bloom would be good for them. Might have been, but bat shit makes a mess in the pool
After a couple weeks of prescriptive therapy, and a major flushing, they look pretty danged good to me.
I think I'm going supplement (I did go pretty light with the OC) with the GH one part, or just more OC at the top?
I know you like hygrozyme. I went to pick some up, and it was 35 beans a qt.! I balked. What exactly do it do that makes you so happy about it? I buy good spirits and meds for myself, and I want to treat the girls right... but if it's like buying another pair of shoes w/ a matching handbag... well...
Glad to hear you got relaxicated
Oh yeah...I'm totally relaxticated.
I'm glad to hear you're doing well with your girls....I've read through your journal and I think things are going to look really good.
I'd put more OC+ in the top for nutes and then watch the plants....if you have any funny stuff, post a pic and we'll try to help you out. Go heavy with the OC.....it won't burn your plants.
The GH will also work beautifully.....but you already have the OC....your call.
Hygrozyme is really good for roots. The pro growers I know use it.....one swears by it. These guys really know their stuff. So I use it too. You don't need much.....8ml per gallon. It lasts a long time.
Big Bloom is a great product, but I don't think it's too good in hempys....I ran it in my first grow...I think it supplied micronutes, which is good.....but my subsequent grows have done better without it. I really like BB in soil, however.
I'll take some pics tonite....somethings gonna get chopped down next week, but I've two plants that need a few more weeks.
HorseBadoritz
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Oh yeah...I'm totally relaxticated.
I'm glad to hear you're doing well with your girls....I've read through your journal and I think things are going to look really good.
I'd put more OC+ in the top for nutes and then watch the plants....if you have any funny stuff, post a pic and we'll try to help you out. Go heavy with the OC.....it won't burn your plants.
The GH will also work beautifully.....but you already have the OC....your call.
Hygrozyme is really good for roots. The pro growers I know use it.....one swears by it. These guys really know their stuff. So I use it too. You don't need much.....8ml per gallon. It lasts a long time.
Big Bloom is a great product, but I don't think it's too good in hempys....I ran it in my first grow...I think it supplied micronutes, which is good.....but my subsequent grows have done better without it. I really like BB in soil, however.
I'll take some pics tonite....somethings gonna get chopped down next week, but I've two plants that need a few more weeks.
Yeah, the Big Bloom in a hempy was a lesson learned. I'll stick with the Grow Big and OC+.
I'll pick up some Hygozyme... I just hope they don't ask for my pro grower's card
Your colas are something else
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OK.....so don't let anyone tell you that 12/12 can't yield well.
Sure, it's not going to yield as much as a few weeks of veg time, but if you plant densely, you can get nice 2 oz colas every 8 inches square.
Next grow, gonna be a lot denser....maybe 15 to 20 plants.
Sure, it's not going to yield as much as a few weeks of veg time, but if you plant densely, you can get nice 2 oz colas every 8 inches square.
Next grow, gonna be a lot denser....maybe 15 to 20 plants.
I think those are the nicest 12/12 plants I've seen.
How tall did they get?
How tall did they get?
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The Sativa is well over 5 feet tall. I had to LST it so it would fit under the light. If it continues to fill in, it will be a decent yielder, too. It will be VERY difficult to trim....there's more bud than leaf, and very, very airy.
The tallest of the hybrids is 39 inches.
I haven't measured the cola length lately, but we've got 3 that are over 2 feet long, and a couple really fat ones that are only 18 inches or so, and then a more reasonable one that's about 13 inches.
The smallest plant is soil, with Osmocote. It's also the most frosty.
The largest plant ais in hempy, but they didn't start to put on weight until I gave up on the Advanced Nutrients and went Osmocote.
I'm definitely going to taking pictures of a couple of these after trimming them up. They are the largest colas I've grown to date.
SnowBender
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SHWEEET!
What was the total days from seed germ to harvest again?
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What was the total days from seed germ to harvest again?
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SHWEEET!
What was the total days from seed germ to harvest again?
Thx-
The Un-lucky Queen had their pathetic germination begun on April 1. It went a total of 75 days, and was harvested with mostly cloudy triches....just the way I like it.
The Skunk/Sour Diesel were germinated on April 10, I believe, I'll have to go through the journal to figure it out, as I'm at work and don't have my grow calendar with me. I'm going to harvest one of those this week, the rest in a week or so longer. That strain takes more time to finish.
I'm definitely a 12/12 fan. It's easy to sex the plants in solo cups, the grow takes less electricity, and you can put new plants under the lights any time you wish.
I definitely recommend having Co2 enrichment for a 12/12 grow, so the plants are able to beef up the yield a bit.