Un-Lucky Queen 12/12 Hempy

[Setting Sun]

I am very interested in 12/12, but currently have no plans to implement CO2.

If I could yield just 1oz per plant without CO2, it would still be a great option for me.

 

[Doc Bud]

I am very interested in 12/12, but currently have no plans to implement CO2.

If I could yield just 1oz per plant without CO2, it would still be a great option for me.

the conventional wisdom says C02 adds 25-30 percent to the yield....so if I can grow a 2 ouncer....you should easily be able to do 1 ounce....easily.

 

[GrownManHollr]

Things are looking great there Doc! Can't wait to see see how things finish up for you on this grow. That sativa should be really interesting. Brings to mind Acapulco Gold from the old days. Can remember getting a fat sack of that for $35! (of course that was like 35 years ago!). That stuff would make us laugh for hours. (our goofy behavior could have had something to do with it too!).

Thanks so much for the help you've given me! My 4 hempys are looking better and better. I know that a lot of us really appreciate the time and effort you put into your grows and your journals. DocBuds's patented "stoner proof" methodologies are the greatest man!

I'm interested to know if you have any thoughts on the right soil to buy for a small "Osmo-Grow" (patent pending LOL!) using Osmocote + in soil. Picked up a small bag of simple potting soil (just a few nutes) that I'm planning mix with some perlite and OC+. Starting things up in rapid rooters that'll move into starter pots after 7-10 days.

 

[Hash Hound]

Flushing

Doc

Did you flush the oscomote plants? How does one go about flushing if the prills are still in there?

 

[Doc Bud]

Re: Flushing

Things are looking great there Doc! Can't wait to see see how things finish up for you on this grow. That sativa should be really interesting. Brings to mind Acapulco Gold from the old days. Can remember getting a fat sack of that for $35! (of course that was like 35 years ago!). That stuff would make us laugh for hours. (our goofy behavior could have had something to do with it too!).

Thanks so much for the help you've given me! My 4 hempys are looking better and better. I know that a lot of us really appreciate the time and effort you put into your grows and your journals. DocBuds's patented "stoner proof" methodologies are the greatest man!

I'm interested to know if you have any thoughts on the right soil to buy for a small "Osmo-Grow" (patent pending LOL!) using Osmocote + in soil. Picked up a small bag of simple potting soil (just a few nutes) that I'm planning mix with some perlite and OC+. Starting things up in rapid rooters that'll move into starter pots after 7-10 days.

Doc's patented "Stoner Proof" technology.....

I'm not a soil expert by any means, but Fox Farms Ocean Forest works well.....that's what I'm using.

I think Sunshine Mix 4 might be even better for our plants, especially with Osmocote+......I think. I promise both will grow stellar plants, but I'm leaning towards Sunshine on my next grow because it's peat based and it's limed.....in other words, pH'd water is not needed.

Your plan sounds great....it'll work.

Doc

Did you flush the oscomote plants? How does one go about flushing if the prills are still in there?

Hey HH, thanks for stopping by!

There is no need to flush at all when growing with OC+. I've harvested 2 plants grown this way so far and the taste and smell was superb, right out of the box.

This sounds heretical and sacreligious.....I know.....but flushing is mainly for people who massively over-feed their plants. The PPM's are always very low with OC+, the plant only gets what it needs, so there are no buildups of salts. Flushing is NOT needed.

I've handed out a sample of Lucky Queen, from this grow.....harvested a week ago, so minimal curing. It's barely dried. The comments were about how smooth it is, how good it tastes, etc. No flushing at all. None needed.

When you're runnning really high PPM's and really cramming the nutes into the plant.....that's when you need to flushl.

 

[SnowBender]

For those that are concerned about no flushing,

What about using colder than normal water as a "flush"? since tht OC+ release is supposedly based on temperatures... just a thought.

 

[Spliffs]

The Sativa is well over 5 feet tall. I had to LST it so it would fit under the light. If it continues to fill in, it will be a decent yielder, too. It will be VERY difficult to trim....there's more bud than leaf, and very, very airy.

The tallest of the hybrids is 39 inches.

I haven't measured the cola length lately, but we've got 3 that are over 2 feet long, and a couple really fat ones that are only 18 inches or so, and then a more reasonable one that's about 13 inches.

The smallest plant is soil, with Osmocote. It's also the most frosty.
The largest plant ais in hempy, but they didn't start to put on weight until I gave up on the Advanced Nutrients and went Osmocote.

I'm definitely going to taking pictures of a couple of these after trimming them up. They are the largest colas I've grown to date.

Doc Thanks for your amazing journals, GREAT JOB. I have to ask, when you switched your AN Hempy to OC+ how did you incorperate it? Top-dress? 1 location or spreadout? I too have a hempy grow and I cannot take dealing with these finicky nutes anymore

Thanks Brother

 

[Doc Bud]

For those that are concerned about no flushing,

What about using colder than normal water as a "flush"? since tht OC+ release is supposedly based on temperatures... just a thought.

That's a pretty clever idea, SnowBender! I know some of the hydro guys like to put ice in the water for the last couple days....who knows how that might work for us?

+reps!

Doc Thanks for your amazing journals, GREAT JOB. I have to ask, when you switched your AN Hempy to OC+ how did you incorperate it? Top-dress? 1 location or spreadout? I too have a hempy grow and I cannot take dealing with these finicky nutes anymore

Thanks Brother

I know how you feel about the nutes! My outdoor raised beds are just 10 yards from my indoor garden....all these lovely vegetables growing free, being watered with tap water, no flushing, no mixing....delicious!

All I am doing is taking my vegetable garden indoors and making an herb garden....tap water, etc.

With hempys, ideally, you'd want to submerge the pot in a larger container of water so that it filled up to about 3 or 4 inches below the top layer of perlite, then lift out the pot and let it slowly drain out the hole. That's how I water my solo cups during early germination.

When this is no longer possible, the next best thing is top watering, and it's best to do that in ONE PLACE. Do not wet the entire surface of the medium, you'll get better results watering in one small place and keeping the top dry. (unless the roots are not established, in which case you need to water 2-3 times a day until they make it to the bottom.)

So, keeping that in mind, I merely top dressed the prills in the area I water. The results were dramatic.....I had a totally different plant after 1 week.

Sorry for the long answer, but this kind of detail helps me go back and see what I was thinking when/if I review my journal, and it helps other people who are just getting started. Hell, I'm just getting started myself.

I suppose the ideal situation for a hempy is to put the prills an inch or so above the drain holes and run the buckets in a flood table, with no top watering. But then you lose the simplicity and thriftiness of the hempy bucket and have to add timers, pumps, reservoirs, etc.

On my next grow, my goal is to be problem free for the duration of the grow. I nearly killed these plants twice, on this grow.....I start to get sad when I think what could have been....but still, they're pretty nice!

 

[Doc Bud]

Triche check.

Not ready yet....maybe another few days for the smallest plant, featured below. About a week for the large one, also featured below.

These plants are taking a while to finish....I've got at least 2 more weeks on 2 others, and the Sativa....maybe 4 weeks?

I've got a hunch, based on density of trichomes, that this is going to be legendary smoke.

 

[Spliffs]

AMAZING !!!! That is one of the fattest colas i've seen... Which method was used in that last pic?

Triche check.

Not ready yet....maybe another few days for the smallest plant, featured below. About a week for the large one, also featured below.

These plants are taking a while to finish....I've got at least 2 more weeks on 2 others, and the Sativa....maybe 4 weeks?

I've got a hunch, based on density of trichomes, that this is going to be legendary smoke.

 

[Doc Bud]

AMAZING !!!! That is one of the fattest colas i've seen... Which method was used in that last pic?

Thanks bro! It's not even the fattest cola....just the longest, by about 1/2 inch. I've got two others that are a bit shorter, but also fatter.

The one in the picture was grown in soil, with Osmocote Plus as the nute. I did not pH the water and have only added a couple supplements along the way:

Hygrozyme===numerous feedings
Snowstorm====3-4 feedings
Fox Farms Big Bloom (the organic stuff, very little NPK)===3 feedings

Growing 12/12 from seed...in small pots....these plants should be small, low yielding plants...right?

Well, the smallest is going to yield just under 2 oz from what I can see, with the larger ones hitting 3 oz, which is an honest estimate.

If you haven't tried OC plus.....do yourself a favor and run a plant or two with it. You'll be an easy convert...unless you choose dynamite, Harrels or another excellent CRF!

 

[Spliffs]

Definitely running next grow all OC+, just have to find it. Every place has OC 19-6-12 but no plus. trying not to have to order online. You said small pots...what size are you using? inches/gallons? About the PHing, do you know what your ph is off the tap or are you shooting truely blind? Doc, thank you very much for your help!!

 

[HorseBadoritz]

Thanks bro! It's not even the fattest cola....just the longest, by about 1/2 inch. I've got two others that are a bit shorter, but also fatter.

The one in the picture was grown in soil, with Osmocote Plus as the nute. I did not pH the water and have only added a couple supplements along the way:

Hygrozyme===numerous feedings
Snowstorm====3-4 feedings
Fox Farms Big Bloom (the organic stuff, very little NPK)===3 feedings

Growing 12/12 from seed...in small pots....these plants should be small, low yielding plants...right?

Well, the smallest is going to yield just under 2 oz from what I can see, with the larger ones hitting 3 oz, which is an honest estimate.

If you haven't tried OC plus.....do yourself a favor and run a plant or two with it. You'll be an easy convert...unless you choose dynamite, Harrels or another excellent CRF!

Doc, just beautiful... good things come to thems that waits

I pulled the trigger on some Hygrozyme, sitting here with it now, but I'm unsure how to use it in a hempy bucket with OC+. What do you do? I want to grow like the big boys

Thanks

 

[Doc Bud]

Definitely running next grow all OC+, just have to find it. Every place has OC 19-6-12 but no plus. trying not to have to order online. You said small pots...what size are you using? inches/gallons? About the PHing, do you know what your ph is off the tap or are you shooting truely blind? Doc, thank you very much for your help!!

Home Depot has it. 18.99. They also have Dynamite, which is probably just as good, if not better.

The PH of my tap water is about 8ish. I'm also running a chlorine filter, but I'm probably going to get rid of it next grow.

Here's how my plans are shaping up:

I'm going to go mainly with soil, except I'll probably run one or two hempys for experimentation.

I'm going to use two soils, FFOF and Sunshine mix #4
I'm also going to mix up a batch of micro nutes using this stuff:
Natural Mineral Fertilizers
I'll mix 80 parts gypsum, 4 parts Epsom salt, 1 part borax (yep...soap) and work it into the soil.
I'll mix another batch substituting Dolomite Lime for gypsum.

I'll supplement with Epsom and the Micronute mix weekly. For nutrients, I'll use OC+.

For boosters, I'm going to try something called "ooze" which is the next, greatest thing, I'm told. We'll see.

As far as water goes, I'm leaning towards trying a pump, from a reservoir, instead of the hose, for half the plants, and just tap water for the other half.

The water in the reservoir will be pH'd to 6.3 and I'll use it for the DL mix.
The gypsum mix will use only tap water.

The reason I'm doing this is because I want to see which one works better. If I can get away with using JUST tap water, that will be great. But if treated water works better, that's fine with me too.

Using this mix, there will be ZERO issues with lockout, deficiencies, etc. The plants should be perfect.

I'll run the same mix except in the hempys as well.

Workin' on it, figurin' it out......

 

[Doc Bud]

Doc, just beautiful... good things come to thems that waits

I pulled the trigger on some Hygrozyme, sitting here with it now, but I'm unsure how to use it in a hempy bucket with OC+. What do you do? I want to grow like the big boys

Thanks

Hey Horsebad! How are things in the crawl space?

The big boys...... I'd like to grow like them too! Believe me, I don't....yet.

Just mix about 8-10ml of Hygrozyme per gallon of water, when you water. That's all.

The perlite and OC will do the rest.

 

[HorseBadoritz]

Hey Horsebad! How are things in the crawl space?

The big boys...... I'd like to grow like them too! Believe me, I don't....yet.

Just mix about 8-10ml of Hygrozyme per gallon of water, when you water. That's all.

The perlite and OC will do the rest.

Thanks Doc, have you tried a martini out of the stuff? It's as expensive as Grey Goose ahhh, nothing's too good for the kidz

I just updated the journal... your prescription brought them back from zombieland

 

[Doc Bud]

Thanks Doc, have you tried a martini out of the stuff? It's as expensive as Grey Goose ahhh, nothing's too good for the kidz

I just updated the journal... your prescription brought them back from zombieland

I haven't tried adding hygrozyme yet.....and I haven't checked the pH of the Martini or the runoff......I'll get back to you on that.
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I gave each soil plant a deep root soaking today. I filled a bucket with water and immersed the pot for about 5 minutes, until it no longer wanted to float, but was totally submersed and wetted. The top of the soil stayed dry. I was told that this really helps the buds fill in the last couple weeks.

I'm going to chop the smallest plant in a day or two, but here are some random pics:

My pictures suck....they really do. I still haven't figured out how to take pics with the HPS on.

Below is a soil/osmocote plant.

the above plant has, by my estimation, about 2 weeks to go. I'll try to get some pics of the hempys next....they are slightly larger, of course (hempys yield better than soil plants) but I think the soil plants look more gourmet and tasty. We'll know more when it comes time to smoke it.

 

[Spliffs]

I haven't tried adding hygrozyme yet.....and I haven't checked the pH of the Martini or the runoff......I'll get back to you on that.
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I gave each soil plant a deep root soaking today. I filled a bucket with water and immersed the pot for about 5 minutes, until it no longer wanted to float, but was totally submersed and wetted. The top of the soil stayed dry. I was told that this really helps the buds fill in the last couple weeks.

I'm going to chop the smallest plant in a day or two, but here are some random pics:

My pictures suck....they really do. I still haven't figured out how to take pics with the HPS on.

Below is a soil/osmocote plant.

the above plant has, by my estimation, about 2 weeks to go. I'll try to get some pics of the hempys next....they are slightly larger, of course (hempys yield better than soil plants) but I think the soil plants look more gourmet and tasty. We'll know more when it comes time to smoke it.

They are BEAUTIFUL !!! Thank you for putting so much work and so much info into your grow. Was that a plain ph'd water soak they got ? And did you take any clones from your 12-12 ladies?

Thanks brother

 

[GrownManHollr]

Looking Amazing Doc! That cola is scary (in a REALLY good way)!

 

[Doc Bud]

They are BEAUTIFUL !!! Thank you for putting so much work and so much info into your grow. Was that a plain ph'd water soak they got ? And did you take any clones from your 12-12 ladies?

Thanks brother

for the compliment!

I do not do clones...no cuttings. Right now, I'm mainly interested in growing from seed, as I have a great supply of cheap/free high quality seeds.

I should learn to take cuttings, etc, but that means more equipment and hassle.

Looking Amazing Doc! That cola is scary (in a REALLY good way)!

I agree....it is scary. I've got another two larger than that, too.

If I can get my next grow to go off without any major problems, like I had on this grow, I'll have something special.

I'm a busy professional with a family, and I don't have tons of time to work in the garden, so i'm looking for a method to grow above average bud, with very little work....like I do in the vegetable garden.

For those reasons, I'm really liking 12/12 from seed, with Osmocote Plus or equivalent CRF. I'm going to give horse manure a try as a "booster" on the next grow.....maybe.