Un-Lucky Queen 12/12 Hempy
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Nope. Nutes are already in the medium.....Osmocote. I don't need to feed these plants at all. I don't pH the water, either.
You're still PH'ing the water on the hempy/osmocote plants, right?
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On the hempys...yes. Soil, no.
I'm pretty sloppy with the hempy's too....I just get it to 6ish.
I just smoked some of that Lucky Queen. It's had a week's cure so here's a little report:
It tastes...spicy. Kind of clean at first, followed by spicy. There's still a hint of a green taste, not too bad.
It hits the front of your forehead first, then the ears and up to the top of the head. If that sounds weird, I agree....but those parts of my head feel like someone's poured warm oil on me.
I'm very relaxed......a little slow, and slightly happy...not goofy. It's very nice, but I'd rather it was a little happier.....in other words, it needs more sativa for my tastes.
Over all, I'd give it a "7" out of 10. I think the next one's harvested are going to be better.
how much is a charge
Doc, you refer to adding half a charge at the hole level and half a charge at the root ball. But how much is a charge? The directions say 3 tablespoons per 4sq/ft. How much do you use and what size bucket?
Also a side question. As for my friends hempys, he sampled a bud and it has seeds. Should he wait till the trichomes turn cloudy or pick now since its seeding?
PS. my outdoor veggies are growing like crazy with the Oscomote. Tomatoes in dirt are shoulder high, peppers in buckets are healthier than ones i didn't add oscomote to. And my neighbor uses it in her containers for her flowers and it would make Nebacanezer's hanging gardens jealous.
Doc, you refer to adding half a charge at the hole level and half a charge at the root ball. But how much is a charge? The directions say 3 tablespoons per 4sq/ft. How much do you use and what size bucket?
Also a side question. As for my friends hempys, he sampled a bud and it has seeds. Should he wait till the trichomes turn cloudy or pick now since its seeding?
PS. my outdoor veggies are growing like crazy with the Oscomote. Tomatoes in dirt are shoulder high, peppers in buckets are healthier than ones i didn't add oscomote to. And my neighbor uses it in her containers for her flowers and it would make Nebacanezer's hanging gardens jealous.
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Re: how much is a charge
Thanks for visiting HH!
Yeah, this OC+ works crazy good.....and it works crazy good for our beloved crop as well. I'm sold.
I'm going to add a couple tweaks next grow, namely some micronutrients and some horse crap during stretch.
I think on the label there's directions for container size.
For top dressing:
For incorporation:
Grams per liter Low 1.8 Med 4.7 Hi 7.1
So......according to the table on the back of the bottle, if you're using 2 gallon buckets, that's about 10 litres.....so I'd use 70 grams or so, half just above the holes, the other half above that in one spot. Mark the spot so you only water there.
Regarding seeds....I don't have a well founded opinion, but if I was to hazard a guess, I'd say let both the buds and the seeds mature. You'll still have stoney smoke and as a bonus, he'll have some nice seeds to grow out!
Thanks for visiting HH!
Yeah, this OC+ works crazy good.....and it works crazy good for our beloved crop as well. I'm sold.
I'm going to add a couple tweaks next grow, namely some micronutrients and some horse crap during stretch.
I think on the label there's directions for container size.
For top dressing:
For incorporation:
Grams per liter Low 1.8 Med 4.7 Hi 7.1
So......according to the table on the back of the bottle, if you're using 2 gallon buckets, that's about 10 litres.....so I'd use 70 grams or so, half just above the holes, the other half above that in one spot. Mark the spot so you only water there.
Regarding seeds....I don't have a well founded opinion, but if I was to hazard a guess, I'd say let both the buds and the seeds mature. You'll still have stoney smoke and as a bonus, he'll have some nice seeds to grow out!
Doc
I was a little confused by your chart, so I called Scotts to ask them how much to use. To my surprise the lady told me Osmocote plus should not be used in containers, its to strong. She told me it said it in bold letters on her data sheet. I told her it didnt say so on the label. So I called the 800 number on the Osmocote bottle and the guy told me the same thing, he recomended the Osmocote indoor outdoor brand instead. Is that the one you are using?
I was a little confused by your chart, so I called Scotts to ask them how much to use. To my surprise the lady told me Osmocote plus should not be used in containers, its to strong. She told me it said it in bold letters on her data sheet. I told her it didnt say so on the label. So I called the 800 number on the Osmocote bottle and the guy told me the same thing, he recomended the Osmocote indoor outdoor brand instead. Is that the one you are using?
SnowBender
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^^^ We arent growing petunias here...
to Scotts "containers" doesn't mean superthrived hybrids under 1000watts with AC and C02.
to Scotts "containers" doesn't mean superthrived hybrids under 1000watts with AC and C02.
People are using it in containers all over, but the company has not officially published rates for container use.
It's a fert that's mostly used by commercial vegetable growers, so there isn't much container data.
Those rates in grams that doc posted above are useful.
It's a fert that's mostly used by commercial vegetable growers, so there isn't much container data.
Those rates in grams that doc posted above are useful.
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I'm at work, and our firewall makes this website load REALLY slow....I meant to multi-quote this one and the one above.
First of all, the lady at Scotts is confused. Ocmoscote plus isn't "too strong" for containers. That's pure nonsense. It's a CRF, and by definition it CANT be too strong.
Secondly, the damn bottle says right on there how much to use in containers. If it was "too strong" it would give High, medium and low doses for different container sizes.
Lastly, please don't tell my plants OC+ is too strong for them. They're happy and healthy.....I don't want to freak them out.
Another observation....on the website, you can look at the label, read the instructions and even look at a plant grown in a container with 100 times the recommended dosage in order to prove that this stuff won't burn your plants, etc.
It works. The lady at Scotts didn't know her product line.
Did you notice that the plant grown with the way exaggerated dose grew bigger than the normal dose?
I'm going to be posting a new journal of some LR2's I'm growing using OC+ and FF Grow Big Hydro.
They are doing nicely.
I'm going to be posting a new journal of some LR2's I'm growing using OC+ and FF Grow Big Hydro.
They are doing nicely.
SnowBender
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Sounds like the sales rep at scotts was trained to answer so that more products get sold. "Oh, you have our product B? -What you really need is our product A.
on a side note got some dynamite the other day, and put it on my peppers! looking sweet! I might toss an outdoor 3' Casey Jones in a bucket and drill a damn hole today! right now its in a cup of hydroton, so I just plan on plopping the whole net cup into the perlite and watering frequently till the roots reach bottom.
on a side note got some dynamite the other day, and put it on my peppers! looking sweet! I might toss an outdoor 3' Casey Jones in a bucket and drill a damn hole today! right now its in a cup of hydroton, so I just plan on plopping the whole net cup into the perlite and watering frequently till the roots reach bottom.
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Are you using both products at the same time? Or doing a comparison?
I have no doubt that they're doing nicely.....I'm sure they'll be beautiful!
Hopefully, this will put the use of OC in containers debate to rest:
The label can be viewed here:
https://osmocoteisbest.com/_docs/labels/standard/903206.pdf
The first thing said on the label is this:
basically, you can't use too much of the stuff....you could use too little....but the idea is to use as much as you need. [sarcasm]The stuff is expensive! [/sarcasm]
According to the label, you can only grow 125 2 gallon pots with OC+. At 20 bucks a bottle that's 16 cents a plant. If you used twice as much as you were supposed to use, you could only grow 62 plants, and they'd each set you back .32 in nutes.
I'm using them at the same time. I read a few studies where the best results were obtained by combining the OC+ with a liquid fert, so that's what I'm trying with these plants.
They're currently in 6" self-watering pots with pure perlite.
Now I remember why I liked passive hydro so much back in the day.
Watching a plant green-up in real-time is amazing.
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We gotta see some pics!
I'm really interested in your thought process and practice with the ferts.
Be careful that you don't have too much nitrate or ammoniacal nitrogen in the mix, it will have an effect on the media pH.....even if you pH the water. You're supposed to keep them just about 50/50.
Have you checked out Micromax LG on the Osmocote website? It's a micronutrient product for soiless media.
I've got another micronute product on the way that's a little less expensive, but pretty much the same thing.
I'm thinking that a grow using:
micronutes
OC+
supplementes (horse manure, guano, worm castings in soil) (liquid ferts in perlite)
I'm thinking that something like that would be pretty much ideal. In intend to give it a try.
Also, with such a set up, all the micro's, etc. pure, non-pH'd RO water would be perfect. Nothing to worry about.....especially is the media is buffered properly.
I'll take some pics tonight and post a link.
The growth rate makes me want to forget about soil for a while
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The growth rate makes me want to forget about soil for a while
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Doc
thanks for the label info. Looks like you are using the 50lb bag. I bought the 3lb plastic bottle $15, and it doesnt have any of that info on it. I appreciate your help. (didnt mean to stir up any trouble) What did you pay for a 50 lb bag may I ask? and is it sold at Home Depot or Lowes?
thanks for the label info. Looks like you are using the 50lb bag. I bought the 3lb plastic bottle $15, and it doesnt have any of that info on it. I appreciate your help. (didnt mean to stir up any trouble) What did you pay for a 50 lb bag may I ask? and is it sold at Home Depot or Lowes?
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Hey bro.....you're not causing any trouble at all....I just wanted to make sure I got the point across. Not only is this stuff good in containers....it's GREAT in containers.
I bought the 3lb bottle too. I swear it had the info on it.....but either way, just grab a handful, put half of it above the holes, spead it out evenly, and put the other half in one place and always water in that one place. You could put it on the surface if you like.
Again, for me this is all about:
Growing above average weed (average being typical dispensary product)
Zero fiddling and fussing with nutes, mixing, pHing, etc.
Minimal work
I've succeeded.
Do you have a link to your journal?
Journal? heck, i cant even figure out how to get a pic on here the right size, lol
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I use paint, and decrease the size of the pic 1%. It saves the new file about 40% smaller than the original, but the pic remains the same size.