Un-Lucky Queen 12/12 Hempy

I may do one more post before I leave for a week, but this particular update is a memorable one to me. :bong:

I've got a 14 gallon reservoir to keep the plants watered while I'm gone. There's also a pump and a 7 day digital timer......

So....I had the reservoir all filled up and added some 3.7-0-0 nutrients that also had a bit of micronutrients in them to try to mimic rain water, which has nitrogen in it.

I "programmed" the timer to water for 2 minutes on Mon, Wed, Fri. I'll be home on Sunday.

Well, these timers are tricky....they aren't intuitive...you've got to really pay attention....so, I had my program on setting "1." I accidentally set program "2" to go on at midnight....with no "off" time!

I went in to check on my plants this AM and a strange gurgling noise was coming from the grow room....yep....all 14 gallons got flushed through the plants....my drain buckets overflowed, and my grow room floor was wet.

So, when life gives you lemon skunk what do you do? Why, you make Super Lemon Haze out of it.

I sprayed bleach on the floor, mopped up, drained out the waste water, fixed the program, and refilled the tub. The grow room is clean!

Oh.....incredibly THE PLANTS LOVED IT! They were super perky and even the Advanced Nutrients plants looked better. They got a massive, rainwater flush like they've never had before, and I must say, they look all the better for it.

I'm not at all worried they were over watered....hard to do that in a hempy and my soil mix was 50% perlite....it drains really well. So, this is one "accident" that ended very well!
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I had to stake up the 23 inch cola....the stem was strong enough to hold it, but it was leaning away from the light, so I got out the bamboo stakes and supported it.

I also staked up the Sativa, it's going crazy, just one big bud factory, but the buds are all light and wispy, with fat, individual calyxes everywhere. This, no doubt will be my personal stash. I have no idea when it will finish, but it's gonna be well worth waiting for.
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Lastly, a few words about nutrients. I spent about 3 hours with a good friend yesterday, who is a bit of a "survivalist." He's just starting to grow our beloved plant, but he's got 30 8x10 raised beds that he grows all kinds of vegetables and herbs in. His wife cans them up, they have a root cellar, basically they have a year's supply of quality food that they grow themselves at all times, along with the fresh stuff. You get the picture.

So, what does this have to do with nutrients? Well, here's what he does:

Mittleider method: combines soil gardening with hydroponics, without the expense of hydroponics. Your Free Mittleider Gardening Basics Course Ebook!

he mixes together:

80 parts Dolmite Lime and/or gypsum
4 parts Epsom Salt
1 part 20 mule team borax

He adds the above to the soil about 2 weeks before planting.

Then, he feeds weekly by adding a bag of this: Natural Mineral FertilizersIt's a complete micronutrient mix that costs 10.95.

Mix one 10 oz. package of Micro-Nutrients with 4 lbs. of Epsom Salt (Magnesium Sulfate) and 25 lbs. of 16-8-16, 20-10-20, or even 16-16-16 to make your own Weekly-Feed. This is enough to fertilize 30 large raised beds for an entire year.....in other words, a lifetime supply of nutrients for the small indoor cannabis grower.

Total cost: less than 100 bucks for an individual. Get a small group together and each can get a lifetime supply of nutrients for less than 30 bucks.

Does it work?

Oh my.....I've never seen anything like it. He has the best vegetable garden I've ever seen and they taste fantastic.

In large soil grows, I'd say his mix is amazing.
And....get this....when it's all said and done the final product is essentially:

Osmocote Plus.

I'm tellin' you guys.....free yourselves....walk upright like men (and women)! We need to get our heads away from our expensive "bud ignitors" and "voodoo juice" and start growing plants.

If we don't, we're gonna get crushed by agribusiness and large corporate growers, who are going to use "real" fertlizers and grow consistent crops for cheap. As for me, personally, I'm never going to buy another cannabis specific product for my garden. This stuff is all available for 1/10th the cost....or less, from "normal" sources.

There, I'm done ranting. For those who read this far, thank you!
 
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Good thing it was only 14 gallons! Another benefit of hempy over full on hydro, less potential for massive indoor floods.
Electric float switch's can be had for ~$20-25 and avoid having to worry about burning out pump.

Had a great discussion with my oldest grower friend last night about how needlessly complicated and expensive growing has become in 30 years. And yet, how much crap weed is being pumped out despite all the bells and whistles people are thowing at a weed.
 
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Good thing it was only 14 gallons! Another benefit of hempy over full on hydro, less potential for massive indoor floods.
Electric float switch's can be had for ~$20-25 and avoid having to worry about burning out pump.

Had a great discussion with my oldest grower friend last night about how needlessly complicated and expensive growing has become in 30 years. And yet, how much crap weed is being pumped out despite all the bells and whistles people are thowing at a weed.

Yep....overfeeding hurts plants as much or more than underfeeding. However, in my area there isn't much "crap" weed. There are some pretty good growers around here. One thing they all have in common is that they keep their PPM's low and their environments dialed in.

I couldn't help myself, and took a few pics. For those new to my garden, this was 12/12 from seed. All but two plants get straight Osmocote. I've got one hempy and one soil that have been fed Advanced Nutrients......

but......

Since I'm going to be away for a week, I broke down and top dressed those 2 with Osmocote. The garden isn't large and I couldn't afford to lose the yield on the Advanced plants, so I had to fertilize them with a "real" product, one that I can count on to make the plants healthier.

The experiment is over.....Osmocote kicks the hell out of Advanced. Big Mike should be ashamed. I'll still do final weights when the time comes.

these are all after the "storm"

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this is the Un-Lucky Queen. It's still twisted up, but the damn thing is getting fat, it's very resinous and it smells really good.
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this is the Sativa pheno. I wish I did cloning, I would love to have more of this plant. If I get some male bits later in flowering----which is very likely with a Sativa----I may go ahead and make a few seeds.

this plant is starting to fill in, and when it does, not only is the yield going to be huge, I have a feeling the smoke is going to be legendary, based on smell.
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Outstanding info as usual Doc! You took the same course I took with my GH fed plants. I saw how much better the cr fed plants were doing and called the experiment early in the name of a better harvest.

I still think there are a few things missing from the oc+ though. I'm gearing up for the next round of experiments.

Doc, you are super lucky to have experienced growers (cannabis or otherwise) to compare notes with. Nearly everyone I know is into technology. Smart folks that mostly have gardeners to handle the plants. I wonder about the feasibility of starting some kind of cannabis growers working group or meet up in my area...
 
Outstanding info as usual Doc! You took the same course I took with my GH fed plants. I saw how much better the cr fed plants were doing and called the experiment early in the name of a better harvest.

I still think there are a few things missing from the oc+ though. I'm gearing up for the next round of experiments.

Doc, you are super lucky to have experienced growers (cannabis or otherwise) to compare notes with. Nearly everyone I know is into technology. Smart folks that mostly have gardeners to handle the plants. I wonder about the feasibility of starting some kind of cannabis growers working group or meet up in my area...

Thanks bro! :thankyou:
Yep, the CRF works better.....I'm not surprised you called yours early. It wasn't hard to see where that whole thing was going.

I am certain we can improve on the OC+ and am thinking along the lines of weekly feedings with something like Jacks Classic.

I am totally absorbed in the info on this website:

Vegetable Gardening Books for the Home Hobbyist

They recommend "custom soils" that drain super well and have no natural NPK. This kind of soil warms up faster in the Spring and stays cooler in the Summer. It can't be overwatered, either. Sound familiar?

The reason they recommend this type of approach is so anyone can grow anything, anywhere.

They prepare the soil with simple, bulk items, like Lime, gypsum, epsom salts and borax....all the micronutes right there. Then, they fertilize weekly with 18-6-18 (optimal, but 20-20-20 will do fine) and more micronutrients.

In other words, they are combining soil and "hempy" technology in order to grow food. I had a complete lunch of veggies grown this way on Thursday....they were exquisite! Two varieties of beets, cucumbers, some herbs in a beef stock. Super rich and flavorful.....grown out back in raised beds with a soil made from Sand, Saw dust, Peat moss!

So, on my next grow, I'm going to go with any old soil, lots of perlite, and a generous application of micronutes, Osmocote+ as a base and a weak-weekly feed of Jack's classic or something like that.

As for a meet-up group, I'm totally wanting to do that! I think a couple others here would also be interested....Setting Sun?


We can take our beloved plant to the next level by getting away from the "stealthy magic" style of growing and getting into real botany and agriculture.

Just the OC+ alone proves that.

PM me and we'll talk about this a bit more.
 
Thanks bro! :thankyou:
Yep, the CRF works better.....I'm not surprised you called yours early. It wasn't hard to see where that whole thing was going.

I am certain we can improve on the OC+ and am thinking along the lines of weekly feedings with something like Jacks Classic.

I am totally absorbed in the info on this website:

Vegetable Gardening Books for the Home Hobbyist

They recommend "custom soils" that drain super well and have no natural NPK. This kind of soil warms up faster in the Spring and stays cooler in the Summer. It can't be overwatered, either. Sound familiar?

The reason they recommend this type of approach is so anyone can grow anything, anywhere.

They prepare the soil with simple, bulk items, like Lime, gypsum, epsom salts and borax....all the micronutes right there. Then, they fertilize weekly with 18-6-18 (optimal, but 20-20-20 will do fine) and more micronutrients.

In other words, they are combining soil and "hempy" technology in order to grow food. I had a complete lunch of veggies grown this way on Thursday....they were exquisite! Two varieties of beets, cucumbers, some herbs in a beef stock. Super rich and flavorful.....grown out back in raised beds with a soil made from Sand, Saw dust, Peat moss!

So, on my next grow, I'm going to go with any old soil, lots of perlite, and a generous application of micronutes, Osmocote+ as a base and a weak-weekly feed of Jack's classic or something like that.

As for a meet-up group, I'm totally wanting to do that! I think a couple others here would also be interested....Setting Sun?


We can take our beloved plant to the next level by getting away from the "stealthy magic" style of growing and getting into real botany and agriculture.

Just the OC+ alone proves that.

PM me and we'll talk about this a bit more.

And, post the meeting minutes here, especially if you're sampling wares :ganjamon:

:peace:
 
12/12 is great time money space equip saver u can do a few gardens at once u can run at nigth n if u want u can alwat have a lil veg room funny thing on a 12 12 i did about 6 seed 1 sporouted it was a female also time release nuts pretty nice smoke back to the seed prob u had in the beging so after i cut the plant a bit early so at 3 months 1 more seed pops must have sunk way down an came up after a heavy waterin besides the shrooms that popped in a gro that was the seconed wierdest thing 3 months in soil then popped freaky
 
Wow Doc, that update is wild...Basic ingredients to make the EX$Pen$ive stuff, without the Expense ! Changing to Hempy style has turned my efforts around and lowered my costs...Going to t/r nutes will lower the out of pocket even further...Thanks for all the info ! PS I finally snagged a 400w HPS off of Craigs ready to go for $ 125.00 :yahoo:
 
12/12 is great time money space equip saver u can do a few gardens at once u can run at nigth n if u want u can alwat have a lil veg room funny thing on a 12 12 i did about 6 seed 1 sporouted it was a female also time release nuts pretty nice smoke back to the seed prob u had in the beging so after i cut the plant a bit early so at 3 months 1 more seed pops must have sunk way down an came up after a heavy waterin besides the shrooms that popped in a gro that was the seconed wierdest thing 3 months in soil then popped freaky

Thanks for visiting!
Which time released nutes did you use?

Wow Doc, that update is wild...Basic ingredients to make the EX$Pen$ive stuff, without the Expense ! Changing to Hempy style has turned my efforts around and lowered my costs...Going to t/r nutes will lower the out of pocket even further...Thanks for all the info ! PS I finally snagged a 400w HPS off of Craigs ready to go for $ 125.00 :yahoo:

Yep. Check this out: it's just a small part of the hype on AN's website regarding their Con-a' sewer product:
Connoisseur | Hydroponics | Advanced Nutrients | Hydroponic Gardening
HOW A GROWER FROM CALIFORNIA PROVED THIS SCIENTIFIC BREAKTHROUGH TO HIMSELF AT HOME, AND COMPLETELY RISK-FREE

Gary, a grower from Bakersfield, California was skeptical about the claims made about CONNOISSEUR. And he wasn't convinced the increased value of the product was worth the extra money, so he decided put it to a simple at-home test against the fertilizers and enhancers he was currently using. In his own words:

"Before I bought CONNOISSEUR I used thousands of dollars worth of blooming enhancers and fertilizers ... I looked at my plants and saw their potential, but I could never get them to really deliver what I thought they were capable of. I was using General Hydroponics and Technaflora. I didn't think I could do anything to make a difference. So when I heard about CONNOISSEUR, I just didn't even bother ... But then one of my friends pulled in a huge harvest using it and I got jealous ... So I bought me the 10L size of CONNOISSEUR and put it into the rotation from week two of bloom.

Let me tell you, it was obvious that these flowers were swelling up huge. They just keep adding length, thickness and aroma. It was amazing to see how different the flowers developed with Connoisseur. I got about 40% more harvest weight than ever before, and this crop kicks like a mule. My big mistake was not using it sooner!"



Wow! Does that sound great or what!!! Too bad the cheap Osmocote kicked the hell out of it in every way.....

Here's the ingredients from a bottle of AN's Connoisseur:
Part A: Calcium Nitrate, Magnesium Nitrate, Urea
Part B: Monopotasium phosphate, Magnesium sulfate (epsom salt....that's all) Potassium Nitrate, Potassium sulfate

That's all.....those are nothing more than industrial chemicals, available on the cheap in many, many places......like this:
J.R. Peters Laboratory - Order Now
Calcium Nitrate: 25 pounds......20.00
Magnesium Nitrate: 25 pounds......20.00
Magnesium Sulfate (epsom salt): 25 lbs......15.50
Potassium Sulfate: 25lbs.........32.75
Urea: you can use human urine...no problem

etc.

Bro....we could make a lifetime supply of "Con a' sewer" for 3 people and spend less than half of what 2 cycles worth of the stuff for one person costs from AN!!! That's a HUGE ripoff.

For good measure, we could also throw in some micronutrients and we'd not only have a better product...we'd have a lifetime supply.
 
Urea in a high-end nutrient line?!?!

On the meet up. I'm in the Bay area and I think you are SoCal Doc. Quite a commute for me - I am interested in what you decide to do though since I'm likely to do something here as well.
 
new era wasnt the best an certain strains wouldnt take in it drained poor would have been good for a mix had good luck others like u said the plant will take when an what it need
 
your plants look great doc wish i was around settin sun to bounch ideas off 1 n other i thing ive found these plant truly have a life of there own the need a certian kind of love like soma has said u can have the best genes n equip n not get good bud
 
However, in my area there isn't much "crap" weed. There are some pretty good growers around here.

Living in one of the main wholesale hubs for Ca, I guess im just spoiled.... :P Over the last 3-4 years it seems to me like the subpar weed is expanding exponentially faster than connoisseur grade despite all these high priced nutes and equipment. Sure the high grade is abundant, but I sure expected the quality to come up across the board, given the legal status and so called "Advanced" technique$.


"Con a' sewer"

:bravo:



Your plant looks fantastic! :cheertwo: Enjoy your time off!
 
Took me a few days here and there but I finally made it thru, and that was great. I'm stoked about trying the osmocote vs gh 3 part. Can't find hygrozime yet but maybe won't use it.. Can't rep you, thing says stop trying- start a fanclub, so I might, anyway great grow, it's shoulders like yours I like to climb up on ya know, hopefully these tr nutes will help alot of gardens. Thanks for all the work you put in, hopefully I can give some back to the community with my experiments. Later.
 
there is many great lines of organic tr nutes wit n wit out trace n micro 1 just add water that takes alot of strees away
 
ps im so glad the gro scene is where it is all the new tech all around jus getting better in the long run
 
there is many great lines of organic tr nutes wit n wit out trace n micro 1 just add water that takes alot of strees away

Well I would love to know some names of some cuz I can't find any. I have seen osmocote, dynamite, and harrels. The Harrells looks really cool but too confusing to sift thru figuring out which one to use. I have enough osmocote
to last a while, it was half off, on clearance, nice.
 
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