Thirvnrob's Power Plant - TLO Soil In SIP Containers

Thanks Em. They’re right at the finish line now & I’m letting the pots dry up. But for future reference, can I add the Terpinator to the res? Is the recommended dose a healthy one or should I increase it?
Yes, it works well from the Rez. I add I think a little more than the max recommended. Geoflora recommends using a smaller amount in veg and a bit more in bloom, but I have been giving 16ml/gal during most of the last few grows and all of my late bloom deficiencies have gone away.
 
Do you have another theory? I don't understand it either but the leaves are drying up & the tips are turning brown & crispy. Also, the trichs look the same as they did 5 days ago...
Looks like a nice fade to me. Ive had some stay green the entire grow right next to a heavy fader in the same bed.
Sorry, but I have taken my eyes off of your grow for a bit, and now I feel a need to comment. I clearly see a potassium deficiency here. It's not logical that an overfeeding situation would suddenly set in at this late stage after growing so well before. It does look like your supersoil lost some of its super. We could examine your recipe, cooking time, etc and try to figure out why it happened, but that is what I see. The elongated tip burns with clawing at the ends, the gradual yellowing from bottom up, these are classic signs of potassium deficiency... you have simply run out of one of the macro nutrients. It stuns me that others haven't given you this diagnosis yet.

Even my geoflora grows need extra potassium to grow these beautiful buds and I add a heavy dose of Terpinator to every bit of water I bring in, to compensate. I bet if you added some you would see some greening up before harvest, but this has been building for some time and is going to be hard to reverse completely in the time you have left.
I agree to a certain extent. At this late in the plants life, it is probably refusing any uptake. Senescence....or however you spell it. It's the olants natural way of "dying". Hydro guys flush to get a fade...but in soil it will do it naturally, In a sip, or LOS setup. Thats why I beleieve there is no reason to flush olants in a food soil setup. The entire plant is fading out evenly....more so where it recieves more light. It's just done with it's cycle IMO.
 
Looks like a nice fade to me. Ive had some stay green the entire grow right next to a heavy fader in the same bed.

I agree to a certain extent. At this late in the plants life, it is probably refusing any uptake. Senescence....or however you spell it. It's the olants natural way of "dying". Hydro guys flush to get a fade...but in soil it will do it naturally, In a sip, or LOS setup. Thats why I beleieve there is no reason to flush olants in a food soil setup. The entire plant is fading out evenly....more so where it recieves more light. It's just done with it's cycle IMO.
A well-fed plant will not fade, and mine never do. If this was inevitable, all plants would do it, but as you say some don't.

In nature this probably happens, so it can be argued that this is natural, but I don't believe that it is necessary in a plant that's being well fed. I believe you can feed right up to the end and feed well all through the grow and you will not see the plant showing signs of deficiencies or any other early signs of death.

I have noticed that my plants do not experience this until they have bloomed and the buds are done. Trying to overgrow plants for seeds sometimes you can reach a point where it is clear the plants are at the end of their life cycle when they just quit taking water and they basically turn brown and die.
 
I also never get much yellowing if any at harvest.
Coco and feeding right till i chop is the reason i think anyway.
It tricked me for sometime moving some soil and stopping feeding like most did the last few weeks back then.
And giving them nothing but water if i remember right it was to leach all the nutes out the plant.
Which we all now know is impossible and all i was doing was starving them into yellowing. ;)
 
Looks like a nice fade to me. Ive had some stay green the entire grow right next to a heavy fader in the same bed.

I agree to a certain extent. At this late in the plants life, it is probably refusing any uptake. Senescence....or however you spell it. It's the olants natural way of "dying". Hydro guys flush to get a fade...but in soil it will do it naturally, In a sip, or LOS setup. Thats why I beleieve there is no reason to flush olants in a food soil setup. The entire plant is fading out evenly....more so where it recieves more light. It's just done with it's cycle IMO.
You make a good point in side by side containers behaving differently although that isn't the case here. My thought is, based on what a few good folks here have shared with me, that the soil gave all it had to give before the plant had time to finish. I'm 100% confident in my recipe & the soil cooked for 128 days, so I know it was ready. 5 gallons of LOS isn't a sufficient amount of soil to support the plant through fruition. I'd hoped I could complete this grow by watering only, but top dressing would have been appropriate. I hate that I figured this out so close to the finish line but it's not a total loss. I've sampled some & it does the trick, just wears off pretty quickly. I'm gonna let 'em go till all the leaves die. Trimming should be a breeze...
 
A well-fed plant will not fade, and mine never do. If this was inevitable, all plants would do it, but as you say some don't.

In nature this probably happens, so it can be argued that this is natural, but I don't believe that it is necessary in a plant that's being well fed. I believe you can feed right up to the end and feed well all through the grow and you will not see the plant showing signs of deficiencies or any other early signs of death.

I have noticed that my plants do not experience this until they have bloomed and the buds are done. Trying to overgrow plants for seeds sometimes you can reach a point where it is clear the plants are at the end of their life cycle when they just quit taking water and they basically turn brown and die.
I suppose that could be backed in my experience that my older beds ( more fertile soil) Ive noticed less "fading" with plants. Can I ask, for plants that have a tendency purple out, is this a case of the same lack of nutrients, or just the genetic trait? Not trying to be a smart ass...genuinely curious.
 
A well-fed plant will not fade, and mine never do. If this was inevitable, all plants would do it, but as you say some don't.

In nature this probably happens, so it can be argued that this is natural, but I don't believe that it is necessary in a plant that's being well fed. I believe you can feed right up to the end and feed well all through the grow and you will not see the plant showing signs of deficiencies or any other early signs of death.

I have noticed that my plants do not experience this until they have bloomed and the buds are done. Trying to overgrow plants for seeds sometimes you can reach a point where it is clear the plants are at the end of their life cycle when they just quit taking water and they basically turn brown and die.
The point being "early" signs of death. These girls still had a couple weeks to go when they suddenly went south. It was at that point I realized it was too late to do anything that I knew of at the time about it. So now I know what to do. Early on these were the most lush & healthy plants I've ever grown & I still find that very satisfying. My goal now is to keep them that lush & healthy start to finish.
 
I suppose that could be backed in my experience that my older beds ( more fertile soil) Ive noticed less "fading" with plants. Can I ask, for plants that have a tendency purple out, is this a case of the same lack of nutrients, or just the genetic trait? Not trying to be a smart ass...genuinely curious.
I think the purples and reds are more a genetic thing and something that happens because of cooler temperatures. I have seen perfectly healthy plants do a purple or red fall color thing, without fading because of hunger or old age.
 
Sorry, but I have taken my eyes off of your grow for a bit, and now I feel a need to comment. I clearly see a potassium deficiency here. It's not logical that an overfeeding situation would suddenly set in at this late stage after growing so well before. It does look like your supersoil lost some of its super. We could examine your recipe, cooking time, etc and try to figure out why it happened, but that is what I see. The elongated tip burns with clawing at the ends, the gradual yellowing from bottom up, these are classic signs of potassium deficiency... you have simply run out of one of the macro nutrients. It stuns me that others haven't given you this diagnosis yet.

Even my geoflora grows need extra potassium to grow these beautiful buds and I add a heavy dose of Terpinator to every bit of water I bring in, to compensate. I bet if you added some you would see some greening up before harvest, but this has been building for some time and is going to be hard to reverse completely in the time you have left.
Obviously not LOS but basically anything called something like “Bloom Booster” “Bloom Explode” etc designed for liquid, artificial nutes is basically Potassium for end of flower. Always the most expensive additive too! So you’re almost certainly correct. Trich’s have stalled because they want more of that sweet sweet K.

Nick
 
The sip's finally dried out & none too soon - at least one of them was trying to seed. I don't know if it was the sip's or the TLO soil or a combination of the two but I've never seen so many fan & sugar leaves. I got two of them taken down & the third one will come down tomorrow. I'm no speedy gonzalez when it comes to trimming so i bought an 18" bowl trimmer & I still have 5-1/2 hours invested in this harvest. Once again, I ended up with more larf than I wanted. That said, I'm presently getting by on larf from the last grow, so...
I'm certain that this would have been a significantly bigger yield had I top dressed early into flower. We'll see what happens when I apply that lesson to the Sour Diesel. I'll post an update on them shortly.
I'm taking them down one stalk at a time & wet trimming. I put the buds in a collander & washed them in the kitchen sink. I'll probably change the order of things next time - washing buds already separated from the stalk is a pita.
Here are a few pics from trim jail representing 1/3 of the haul...
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No new pics of the Sour Diesel right now but I want to ask @Emilya Green a question. I received my Gaia Green products yesterday. In TLO soil, when do you start top dressing? They started out in FFOF & I up-potted them 3 days ago into TLO soil. I believe the roots have now reached the good stuff as they look very happy. Based on my last grow I wonder if I need to add the 4-4-4 at all? Would I be correct in amending with power bloom at flip & again 1/2 way through flower?
 
Congratulations on the harvest rob! Looks like a beautiful well-trimmed haul.

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I've been told I'm WAY too picky when it comes to trimming, especially if I have a lot to process. The trimmer helps with my ocdness...
 
I don't know if it was the sip's or the TLO soil or a combination of the two but I've never seen so many fan & sugar leaves.
Probably a combination. The SIP pot allows the plant to max out its potential for many growers since it eliminates watering issues (both under and over) which often stunt plants somewhere in the grow.

And then, the TLO soil lets the microbes give the plant exactly what it is needing every step along the way.

So the two factors used together can lead to some very nice plants, yours' being a prime example.
 
The sip's finally dried out & none too soon - at least one of them was trying to seed. I don't know if it was the sip's or the TLO soil or a combination of the two but I've never seen so many fan & sugar leaves. I got two of them taken down & the third one will come down tomorrow. I'm no speedy gonzalez when it comes to trimming so i bought an 18" bowl trimmer & I still have 5-1/2 hours invested in this harvest. Once again, I ended up with more larf than I wanted. That said, I'm presently getting by on larf from the last grow, so...
I'm certain that this would have been a significantly bigger yield had I top dressed early into flower. We'll see what happens when I apply that lesson to the Sour Diesel. I'll post an update on them shortly.
I'm taking them down one stalk at a time & wet trimming. I put the buds in a collander & washed them in the kitchen sink. I'll probably change the order of things next time - washing buds already separated from the stalk is a pita.
Here are a few pics from trim jail representing 1/3 of the haul...
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Gotta get the light down in there to eliminate larf. Lollipop and heavy defoliation. I like to do a heavy defol around week 3 and week 7.
 
No new pics of the Sour Diesel right now but I want to ask @Emilya Green a question. I received my Gaia Green products yesterday. In TLO soil, when do you start top dressing? They started out in FFOF & I up-potted them 3 days ago into TLO soil. I believe the roots have now reached the good stuff as they look very happy. Based on my last grow I wonder if I need to add the 4-4-4 at all? Would I be correct in amending with power bloom at flip & again 1/2 way through flower?
And I have not used the gaia green product so I don't know their instructions for use. I would start the top dressing pretty much immediately and then follow their instructions for doing it again at mid bloom. Everything you supposedly need is in the Gaia Green so I wouldn't think that you would need to add any more 444. Watch your plants carefully for any signs of hunger and supplement if you need it.
 
And I have not used the gaia green product so I don't know their instructions for use. I would start the top dressing pretty much immediately and then follow their instructions for doing it again at mid bloom. Everything you supposedly need is in the Gaia Green so I wouldn't think that you would need to add any more 444. Watch your plants carefully for any signs of hunger and supplement if you need it.
Sorry Em, I thought you used the product. One of the products is a 4-4-4 for veg but I already have that in my soil mix so thanks for confirming that. The Power Plant was lush & healthy though the 5th week of flower so I’m thinking (here I go thinking again) that I’ll add the power bloom at flip & again half way through. Sound like a good plan?
 
Harvest is complete! The trimmer was a great purchase. Even using this Godsend I spent a little over 7 hours getting it done. Here’s a pic of my favorite part of the harvest…
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