Dave Groomer
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Here you go Sue. Hot off the Press (420 news) Pennsylvania House Approves Medical Marijuana Bill In Landslide Vote 
The Perpetual Healing Garden - SweetSue's Joyful Return
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I know ReinRover, I keep looking at her and thinking the same thing. I can't figure it out, but I'm not complaining. She takes my breath away. This one, pictures don't do justice. Her color is so unique and the edges of her leaves have that delicate, almost silky purple sheen to them. I can so identify with the angst over space limitations. Haha! There isn't a day goes by that I don't look around and wonder where I might be able to slip another tent in.
Not possible. "No, Susan, not there either." LOL! Here you go Sue. Hot off the Press (420 news) Pennsylvania House Approves Medical Marijuana Bill In Landslide Vote
Brought me to tears. It hasn't passed yet, but this crucial step was beginning to look like a pipe dream to those of us in the trenches. I'm not happy with this national obsession to only assign "acceptable medical conditions" for approval, but we have to start somewhere. This bill does not include Severe Anxiety Disorder in their list, to my understanding, but my daughter has a diagnosis of PTSD, so we may be able to get her legal when the time comes.
Politicians have this knack for fixing the problem by creating an even worse one. Witness what should have been Universal Health Care, when what we ended up with was chaos and disruption.
To be able to grow for patients legally would make this woman very happy for the rest of my life. To be able to do that in my home state would keep me right here helping the very people who have been a part of my entire adult life. Yeah, I'd stay put for that.
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Daily Update: Day 34 & 36
Just a quick run-through this morning. I'm lost in the study of pharmacokinetics and bioavailability and excited about what I'm learning, but SlowToke reminded me I had some joy to spread.
The auto tent. I took the pins out to release Fantasmo Express. Let her breathe for a day or two and then move into stage two of the training.
The photo tent. See the spurt starting? Getting close to topping time.
LOL! Remember how intimidated I was with the first topping?
Dark Devil Auto: Day 34
She stuns me. Just under 20" this morning, so still about an inch a day. She's starting to scare me now. The closet only has so much height .
Happy plants, happy gardener. All's well with SweetSue.
I'm headed to the kitchen now because my grumbling stomach reminded me that I haven't taken time to eat. Like food's not a priority. LOL! This penchant I have for rolling out of bed and reaching for the iPad to jump right back into studying has got to be modified.
I hope your day gives you many opportunities to be kind and loving. Get out there. Spread that joy.
Have a wonderful day. Thanks for stopping by.
Just a quick run-through this morning. I'm lost in the study of pharmacokinetics and bioavailability and excited about what I'm learning, but SlowToke reminded me I had some joy to spread.
The auto tent. I took the pins out to release Fantasmo Express. Let her breathe for a day or two and then move into stage two of the training.
The photo tent. See the spurt starting? Getting close to topping time.
LOL! Remember how intimidated I was with the first topping?
Dark Devil Auto: Day 34
She stuns me. Just under 20" this morning, so still about an inch a day. She's starting to scare me now.
The closet only has so much height .
Happy plants, happy gardener. All's well with SweetSue.
I'm headed to the kitchen now because my grumbling stomach reminded me that I haven't taken time to eat. Like food's not a priority. LOL! This penchant I have for rolling out of bed and reaching for the iPad to jump right back into studying has got to be modified.
I hope your day gives you many opportunities to be kind and loving. Get out there. Spread that joy.
Have a wonderful day. Thanks for stopping by.
Brush the tops of the DD with a wooden spoon or other wooden implement a few times per day, It will slow down the stretch. Everything is looking great...particularly the photos! 
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Brush the tops of the DD with a wooden spoon or other wooden implement a few times per day, It will slow down the stretch. Everything is looking great...particularly the photos!
Thanks Shiggity. Great idea. I'd forgotten about that.
Yeah, I smile every time I unzip that flap and peek in there. Doc Bud would be proud, I think. Ok, I did that pass over the tops. I used a large chop stick, but it should do the same trick. I didn't realize that I don't have any wooden spoons. That's how long it's been since I've cooked.
How often did you do your passes Shiggity?
Noob4x4grow
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Brush the tops of the DD with a wooden spoon or other wooden implement a few times per day, It will slow down the stretch. Everything is looking great...particularly the photos!
What exactly does brushing the plant with a wooden spoon initiate to slow down the stretch? very fascinating
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Oh, he did this on his last grow. He took a broom handle and brushed the tops of the plants a few times, repeating the process on and off throughout the day and it stopped the stretch. I suppose what happens is the plants register the object as a barrier and focus growth into the buds instead because they believe their losing vertical space.
Did I come even close Shiggity?
Good afternoon Noob.
Its a form of mechanical stress. it simulates the plants brushing against something they are growing beneath. I have no evidence of WHY it works but I would think it s a combo of:
1. Plants must spend time to repair the minor cracks and damage. This is akin to those that squeeze a stem under the main cola to cause damage that must be repaired. (I think this is a minor aspect to the mechanism as we are not really causing much damage)
2. There is a sensory feedback mechanism in plants that warns them they are too tall if they are brushing against something. I have seen this before in cannabis. For example a cola grows into the glass on a light fixture. Usually they will not keep growing at that point they will kind of stay there. At least in my experience. How would this be beneficial in nature? For example if a cannabis plant were sprouted on the edge of a clearing and grew beneath the bottom branches of a pine tree. When it grew high enough it would brush back and forth against the plant. This type of sensory feedback mechanism would stall the apex growth and send out more side branches. It has to do with stretching and stressing plant cell membranes.
This mechanical stree on plants has been used to reduce regular crop heights like tomatoes. A page at the university of Mass. Amherst on greenhouse growing states:
"Mechanical Conditioning. It has been known for a long time that mechanical stresses such as repeated brushing, shaking, or bending caused by air movement or contact with animate or inanimate objects can reduce plant growth. Recent research conducted by Dr. Joyce Latimer at the University of Georgia has demonstrated the commercial potential of this technique for controlling the height of vegetable transplants, particularly tomato. This work was stimulated, in part, by the fact that B- Nine is no longer registered for use on edible crops. One system of mechanical conditioning adapted to commercial greenhouses involves drawing a bar across the tops of the plants once or twice a day. The bar is set low enough to contact the plants, but not so low that the plants are injured or uprooted. Thirty to 40% reductions in height have been reported with this system. Other systems involve periodic shaking, blowing air treatments, or water sprays. For this to become useful to flower growers research is needed to determine the response of flower crops."
1. Plants must spend time to repair the minor cracks and damage. This is akin to those that squeeze a stem under the main cola to cause damage that must be repaired. (I think this is a minor aspect to the mechanism as we are not really causing much damage)
2. There is a sensory feedback mechanism in plants that warns them they are too tall if they are brushing against something. I have seen this before in cannabis. For example a cola grows into the glass on a light fixture. Usually they will not keep growing at that point they will kind of stay there. At least in my experience. How would this be beneficial in nature? For example if a cannabis plant were sprouted on the edge of a clearing and grew beneath the bottom branches of a pine tree. When it grew high enough it would brush back and forth against the plant. This type of sensory feedback mechanism would stall the apex growth and send out more side branches. It has to do with stretching and stressing plant cell membranes.
This mechanical stree on plants has been used to reduce regular crop heights like tomatoes. A page at the university of Mass. Amherst on greenhouse growing states:
"Mechanical Conditioning. It has been known for a long time that mechanical stresses such as repeated brushing, shaking, or bending caused by air movement or contact with animate or inanimate objects can reduce plant growth. Recent research conducted by Dr. Joyce Latimer at the University of Georgia has demonstrated the commercial potential of this technique for controlling the height of vegetable transplants, particularly tomato. This work was stimulated, in part, by the fact that B- Nine is no longer registered for use on edible crops. One system of mechanical conditioning adapted to commercial greenhouses involves drawing a bar across the tops of the plants once or twice a day. The bar is set low enough to contact the plants, but not so low that the plants are injured or uprooted. Thirty to 40% reductions in height have been reported with this system. Other systems involve periodic shaking, blowing air treatments, or water sprays. For this to become useful to flower growers research is needed to determine the response of flower crops."
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Thank you sweethook, and good morning to you.
The tents look so different from one another it makes me smile. Always wanting everything at once. Are you enjoying our community? Finding everything you need? I see no link for a journal so I'm compelled to ask - are you growing? Care to share?
Noob4x4grow
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So, by brushing the tops of plants, we are effectively creating an invisible SCROG? very interesting. Have you tried using this technique to try to train plants in other ways?
Noob4x4grow
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Oh, he did this on his last grow. He took a broom handle and brushed the tops of the plants a few times, repeating the process on and off throughout the day and it stopped the stretch. I suppose what happens is the plants register the object as a barrier and focus growth into the buds instead because they believe their losing vertical space.
Did I come even close Shiggity?
Good afternoon Noob.
Good morning Sue! your ladies are looking lovely, as usual.
no i dont have a journal at all . wouldnt know how to even start it . iam looking around and learning as i go , i do have 4 plants going from seed . there 8 days old today . i know its veg 5 weeks or so then flower like 8 maybe . but isnt week one called seedling then you start 1st week of veg ? i hope i ask that right thanks
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I call them seedlings until they're transplanted into their pots, which in my case is around two weeks, but I'm an indulgent parent.
That's the point when I start to calculate my veg time. If I'm going against the norm there someone will surely step out and correct me. Once yours get going and you get excited and want to share the excitement, we'd love to share that with you, so feel free to drop a picture anytime.
To start your own journal,
go to this page: Journals in Progress
Read the first entry: sticky : How to Make a Grow Journal
back to the page you just left: Journals in Progress
go to the bottom, push : Post New Thread
If you have more space, you may want to veg more than 5 weeks; 3-5 more weeks in veg can double your harvest
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Rad, thank you for watching my back like that.
Sue starting at flip+1 I do that at the start of the light cycle 4-5 passes. I repeat each day until the stretch stops. Didn't do it last grow but did it this time through. If you look at the first hunger games plants and these new ones of the same strains you will see that the new ones are much much larger plants but stretched about the same. Just one grow so no conclusive data but it is easy and takes only 30 seconds or so with the broomstick so why not!Thanks Shiggity. Great idea. I'd forgotten about that.
Ok, I did that pass over the tops. I used a large chop stick, but it should do the same trick. I didn't realize that I don't have any wooden spoons. That's how long it's been since I've cooked.
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Thanks Shiggity. Great instructions. I'll start with that schedule in the morning.
Thanks for the idea and information +reps
I have a marijuand (mari-wand: a harvested main trunk) that has been lying around waiting for a purpose.
Rad I would pick something smooth. The research paper I read said to avoid rough surfaces as they tended to grab and damage the leaves too much. They said to even avoid PVC because it has a sticky tendency. So I switched to the broomstick.
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