The Mars Hydro FC4800, Prescription Blend And Weed Seeds Express 3x Sponsored Grow: The Amazon Pt I: A Flowering Paradise

It is with great regret that I inform you we had a catastrophic failure in the flower tent.

I decided to start trimming the bottom section of G as I was getting a head ache and afraid I was getting sick and wanted to get a head start.

I found a seed. And then another. And another. I thought maybe it was the drought but it was really too early to have had seeds develop. Figured I could check by looking at the other girls. I was shocked and gravely disappointed. All autos have them also.

I am currently not speaking to TK as I told him multiple times not to turn the light on in the grow room when G was asleep. We always argued and he would tell me how a minute or 3 or 5 wouldn't matter. Even though this happened over and over again.

I have been playing the blame game.

The G-13 seed was a freebie seed and I never thought about it until someone mentioned it, that maybe the free seeds were always end of expiration. Could it have been the genetics?

The autos are too far into seeding that it could have had anything to do with the drought.

I am meticulous with my girls. I don't know what I did. I'm lost.

So I of course after moving the vegging girls and I pulled Limelight since she was only entering day 2 of flip and moved them to my laundry room. I put the hermied autos in the spare bathroom where I had G in the dark.

I went ham cleaning the flower tent. I cleaned all the pots I had the girls sitting on top of. I cleaned the walls, the fans, the strings, the lights, the floors, my chairs adjacent to the tents my table my nutrient shelf....then I turned off the lights and in the dark opened the veg tent, took out Onyx and Gigi and moved them to the cleaned flower tent with the light off. Praying by some grace of the canna Gods that tthe pollen didn't get into their pre flowers.

Now what, I thought. Clean the shit out of the veg tent and the fans and the lights and the filter and the hose and the strings and everything anywhere near it. Throw the veggies in there and keep the two tents separate and watch the flowering girls, heavily.

Sprayed the veggies down with water didn't want to run the risk of doing the photos so I guess I'll do them in the morning if it's not futile at that point.

I have been between crying and shaking and banging and blaming TK. Ultimately though, it's me to blame. I didn't even think to look for signs as I didn't see any need to. I didn't see bananas come up. I didn't see balls calyxes growing and bulking underneath. I wasn't aware.

It isn't the loss of the plants as I'll harvest them and de seed and smoke them for what they're worth. It's not the possibility of losing the other two flowering. It's the sheer disappointment in myself. Even more so, looking back in hindsight, not knowing what caused it to make sure it didn't happen again.

What stress did I put onto them? Was it the extreme heat in seedling stage? Did the autos have them first? Will it happen to Limelight and Goldie also?

Was it the light? Wasn't it? Am I upset with TK for reasons other than what I was already mad at him for today? (Lol...true though)

At this point I'm not mad. I'm grounded. I realize that I am learning and that it is ok for me to make mistakes so long as I don't make the same ones twice.

What was my mistake? Mistakes? I need to know! I need to learn!

Needless to say....

Going to have to hold off on starting seeds until I see what happens with Onyx and Gigi here the next couple weeks. This journal will be down to Onyx and I guess Gigi will be making appearances and the Candy journal will continue on having Limelight back for a little while to continue vegging.

I'm not one for the omg Krissi I'm sorry speeches but I am up for anyone's thoughts and or observations they may have had prior that I missed.

Cheers to moving forward and growing, especially in ourselves

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Hey krissi :( sorry with all the stress going on I haven't been keeping up with anyone's journal. Didn't know you had a disaster!


You know, I hurt. I'm so disappointed in myself for not seeing it. I'm mad for feeling rushed all day with all I do and I hadnt been getting the time I needed with them because of it. I'm confused not knowing for sure what caused it.

In hindsight though,

Should have been checking, especially after the toppings which I never did to an auto

New seed bank, should always watch for any differences in development

I realized the buds slowed down production at some point and didn't investigate

I realized the buds looked slightly off the last week and didn't check it out

I knew the lights had been turned on and off and yet I didn't look thoroughly to make sure

I beat myself up, I cried I thought I am the worst grower ever-to have missed not 1, 2 or 3 but what was turning into 4 plants going the wrong way.

I contemplated not growing anymore, that the good graces had left me. I felt like a loser and embarrassed and ridiculed myself and pointed fingers in other directions.

I thought about trashing the remaining 5 whether or not the 2 turned also.

These last few days have pushed me and although I still have much nonsense to do with the harvest de seeding and trimming and more than likely, the trashing of Gigi and Onyx to come, I'm trying my best to look at the positives.

All is not lost. I still have my medicine. I still have my safe girls and maybe, just maybe, I can keep one of the bigger ones...I have tons of seeds, tons of nutrients, some great lights and a fantastic community to lean on.

I'm grateful for this challenge. It reminded me that I have a lot to learn but also a lot to give still.

Much love Charlie and everyone. I'll be in and out of here til I get caught up but I'll be back in full swing before you know it.

Hey, be happy your notification bells have stopped dinging so much. Must be helpful for those fellow migraine sufferers..

:hippy:
Try not to get too upset. Easier said than done. But it's not the end of the world. At least you don't owe over 2 grand and have literally your whole life pinned on this crop.... Like a certain stupid person...

You've got 2 choices. You can grow them out. They will still produce some resin and then dry and screen hash. Or you throw them all out now. One advantage of having multiple tents is you have saved the rest at least. Although I am worried about when you moved plants around? Is there any chance of contamination to the other tent?

It's time to be pro active. Feeling shitty won't fix this. I know you've been busy cleaning but it's time to pull your socks up and decide :)

Personally I'd try to get rid of the whole moving plants around thing. Use this horrible moment to get everything on the same page. You can still do multiple strains but having to move plants around twice a day isn't good for you or the ladies. Give them a perm home in veg tent until they need flower and then stick them in there. The tents need to be closed 100% when the lights go off.

You've grown some amazing weed and you have a nice selection drying. This happens to literally every grower. I've had a full 6x6 go once. 12 plants seeded. Had to trim and deseed the whole lot by myself to get less than half price on the Oz.

Keep smiling and break out the good jars (this is exactly the rainy days we save for!) Roll a very good smoke and then make a krissi plan :) I expect to see pages of notes by the end of the day lady!!

Love and hugs from across the sea from me!! :)
 
She was vegging luckily all the veggies were safe, I'm glad I didn't flip them early!! Omg...that would have been devastating...haven't seen that damn cat...

Ugh...so fast...does the hermie usually start at one point in the plant and then work its way up? I'm finding that the bottoms are worse than the tops are in terms of seeding development
When one of my Northern Lights feminized gals "hermied" it seemed to take place overnight, very quickly and all over - not in just one spot.
 
And THAT my girl is a very HEALTHY way to look at this whole experience!
What am I gonna do hide from 420 mag forever and throw in my towel and cry and continue to beat myself up or TK? Nah.. not worth it...I do want some more time at home, probably just run the 3 seeds when the extra comes in drop it. I was gonna have to break in April anyway for my home inspection so I'll just do that and come back in May and fill the tents again. Going to make it so I never have a plant out of a tent in the dark though moving forward, just in case
 
She was vegging luckily all the veggies were safe, I'm glad I didn't flip them early!! Omg...that would have been devastating...haven't seen that damn cat...

Ugh...so fast...does the hermie usually start at one point in the plant and then work its way up? I'm finding that the bottoms are worse than the tops are in terms of seeding development
I think it's to do with the growth stage when it gets the pollen. The top buds form first so they need to be pollinated early. The bottoms form later so are open to pollination for longer. If they have a decent resin covering you could dry them to bone dry. Then screen hash :)
 
Hey krissi :( sorry with all the stress going on I haven't been keeping up with anyone's journal. Didn't know you had a disaster!
It's ok Moon. You got your own shit going on friend
Try not to get too upset. Easier said than done. But it's not the end of the world. At least you don't owe over 2 grand and have literally your whole life pinned on this crop.... Like a certain stupid person...

Yea this isn't a money thing for me in any way. I don't get rid of any bud for sale, maybe every now and then but it's pretty much all for me...that doesn't bother me at all...but you...2 grand...aaaayyyyyeeee...no wonder you are so concerned about the health of this crop!
You've got 2 choices. You can grow them out. They will still produce some resin and then dry and screen hash. Or you throw them all out now. One advantage of having multiple tents is you have saved the rest at least. Although I am worried about when you moved plants around? Is there any chance of contamination to the other tent?
I cleaned both tents out like what...hoping it was enough
It's time to be pro active. Feeling shitty won't fix this. I know you've been busy cleaning but it's time to pull your socks up and decide :)

Personally I'd try to get rid of the whole moving plants around thing. Use this horrible moment to get everything on the same page. You can still do multiple strains but having to move plants around twice a day isn't good for you or the ladies. Give them a perm home in veg tent until they need flower and then stick them in there. The tents need to be closed 100% when the lights go off.

I just mentioned no more plants sitting out the tent in the dark and yes, no more back and forth, less work for me and less chance for any light intensity issues to cause a possible hermie....
You've grown some amazing weed and you have a nice selection drying. This happens to literally every grower. I've had a full 6x6 go once. 12 plants seeded. Had to trim and deseed the whole lot by myself to get less than half price on the Oz.

omg...that sounds terrible...12 eeeeek
Keep smiling and break out the good jars (this is exactly the rainy days we save for!) Roll a very good smoke and then make a krissi plan :) I expect to see pages of notes by the end of the day lady!!

Love and hugs from across the sea from me!! :)
Love and hugs much appreciated and sent back to you friend...gonna roll a fat ass one of Ammy today and also taking a trim break.. my bestie is coming to help tomorrow night, which will be so nice.. I need a day to just breathe and not throw things lmao
When one of my Northern Lights feminized gals "hermied" it seemed to take place overnight, very quickly and all over - not in just one spot.
Was she an auto Charlie? Or full fem? I'm wondering if the autos turn faster because of their development rates?
 
She was vegging luckily all the veggies were safe, I'm glad I didn't flip them early!! Omg...that would have been devastating...haven't seen that damn cat...

Ugh...so fast...does the hermie usually start at one point in the plant and then work its way up? I'm finding that the bottoms are worse than the tops are in terms of seeding development
These were all over the plant. My first one.
 
Hey krissi :( sorry with all the stress going on I haven't been keeping up with anyone's journal. Didn't know you had a disaster!



Try not to get too upset. Easier said than done. But it's not the end of the world. At least you don't owe over 2 grand and have literally your whole life pinned on this crop.... Like a certain stupid person...

You've got 2 choices. You can grow them out. They will still produce some resin and then dry and screen hash. Or you throw them all out now. One advantage of having multiple tents is you have saved the rest at least. Although I am worried about when you moved plants around? Is there any chance of contamination to the other tent?

It's time to be pro active. Feeling shitty won't fix this. I know you've been busy cleaning but it's time to pull your socks up and decide :)

Personally I'd try to get rid of the whole moving plants around thing. Use this horrible moment to get everything on the same page. You can still do multiple strains but having to move plants around twice a day isn't good for you or the ladies. Give them a perm home in veg tent until they need flower and then stick them in there. The tents need to be closed 100% when the lights go off.

You've grown some amazing weed and you have a nice selection drying. This happens to literally every grower. I've had a full 6x6 go once. 12 plants seeded. Had to trim and deseed the whole lot by myself to get less than half price on the Oz.

Keep smiling and break out the good jars (this is exactly the rainy days we save for!) Roll a very good smoke and then make a krissi plan :) I expect to see pages of notes by the end of the day lady!!

Love and hugs from across the sea from me!! :)
I agree with @Moony here. You need to kill any chance of cross contamination going forward. I guess you need a very thorough tent clean out.

I say: "Anyone who can "sanitize" a plastic toy gun inculcated with recycled CAATTT food - can do anything!".
 
I think it's to do with the growth stage when it gets the pollen. The top buds form first so they need to be pollinated early. The bottoms form later so are open to pollination for longer. If they have a decent resin covering you could dry them to bone dry. Then screen hash :)
Moony. I don't know what screen hash is :rofl:

What is screen hash?
 
It's ok Moon. You got your own shit going on friend


Yea this isn't a money thing for me in any way. I don't get rid of any bud for sale, maybe every now and then but it's pretty much all for me...that doesn't bother me at all...but you...2 grand...aaaayyyyyeeee...no wonder you are so concerned about the health of this crop!

I cleaned both tents out like what...hoping it was enough


I just mentioned no more plants sitting out the tent in the dark and yes, no more back and forth, less work for me and less chance for any light intensity issues to cause a possible hermie....


omg...that sounds terrible...12 eeeeek

Love and hugs much appreciated and sent back to you friend...gonna roll a fat ass one of Ammy today and also taking a trim break.. my bestie is coming to help tomorrow night, which will be so nice.. I need a day to just breathe and not throw things lmao

Was she an auto Charlie? Or full fem? I'm wondering if the autos turn faster because of their development rates?
Full fem, no auto.
 
These were all over the plant. My first one.
They are everywhere don't get me wrong, but seem to be popping out of the very bottoms, much less seeded as you go up but those seed pods or ball pods whatever those are technically called, ugh, those suck with their little immature seeds! Thinking about it makes me want to throw my coffee cup! Lmao I need to hit this bowl...
 
Full fem, no auto.
What do you think caused your hermie, C? And @Moony And @StoneOtter , what about you guys? Just trying to prepare myself better. Honestly knowing this really has happened to so many and you all weren't just blowing steam to help me calm down is very helpful to my current mental state :thanks::rofl:
 
Basically, a bit of screen (large or small) with holes in it sized "just right" for filtering out trichs and sugary resins.
So I like scrape the buds into that screen and save the trichs and resin underneath? And then what do I do with it? I may do this to BJW because from looking at her, I think she is the one that started this all. She has the most out of the 3....If she starts being a pain in the ass de seeding maybe I'll order a screen to do this
 
What do you think caused your hermie, C? And @Moony And @StoneOtter , what about you guys? Just trying to prepare myself better. Honestly knowing this really has happened to so many and you all weren't just blowing steam to help me calm down is very helpful to my current mental state :thanks::rofl:
Looking back on my post in my journal about it, there were many things that could possibly have caused it. Professional and commercial growers encounter this problem all the time with vast plant numbers "on the line". No one knows for sure but "light quality" is very important - any interruption in the light cycle - no matter how small - can result in a certain amount of hermie behavior in a flowering set of 420 gals.

In my case, there were two minor light interruptions during that particular flowering cycle - one 1-minute and one 2-minute. Light leaks can be a problem too. However, even the best growers in the world often times encounter the same problem you had with much more emotionally and financially devastating results. Personally, I think it has to do with plant stress and light.
 
Looking back on my post in my journal about it, there were many things that could possibly have caused it. Professional and commercial growers encounter this problem all the time with vast plant number "on the line". No one knows for sure but "light quality" is very important - any interruption in the light cycle - no matter how small - can result in a certain amount of hermie behavior in a flowering set of 420 gals.

In my case, there were two minor light interruptions during that particular flowering cycle - one 1-minute and one 2-minute. Light leaks can be a problem too. However, even the best growers in the world often times encounter the same problem you had with much more emotionally and financially devastating results. Personally, I think it has to do with plant stress and light.
Well since my autos were ran on 24-0, I'm definitely leaning towards the topping being thr culprit...but it could be the back and forth from one tent to the other and the light intensity being a factor
 
Dry ice kief is easy. When I was stateside I used a 1 gal paint can and the 1 gal mesh paint strainers. Put 3 or 4 strainers inside each other. Dry ice in the can with the bud, put strainers over top of can and agitate. Wear gloves if going this way. Watch color for green matter.
 
Well since my autos were ran on 24-0, I'm definitely leaning towards the topping being thr culprit...but it could be the back and forth from one tent to the other and the light intensity being a factor
Environmental and stress factors are very important. Also, autos are very highly hybrid types and possibly more prone to hermie (?).
 
What am I gonna do hide from 420 mag forever and throw in my towel and cry and continue to beat myself up or TK? Nah.. not worth it...I do want some more time at home, probably just run the 3 seeds when the extra comes in drop it. I was gonna have to break in April anyway for my home inspection so I'll just do that and come back in May and fill the tents again. Going to make it so I never have a plant out of a tent in the dark though moving forward, just in case
Wise reasoning.
 
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