The Gee Spot - You Finally Found It

[Gee64]

Durban Poison - Day 17.

The mix is drying down quickly.

Down deep it's still very wet.

Level with the rootball it's falling into the green zone perfectly. Either late today or first thing tomorrow each sproutling will get 1/4 cup of fish water carefully watered into it's solo cup rootball. They are hungry.

As the entire pot dries down roots should chase it. Right now I have to cater to the rootball as well as make her root out, so I have to water the plant and water the rest of the pot seperately.

The inner rootball will get watered and fed, the outer pot needs to be inviting.

Myco needs to propogate from the dusting I gave the rootball into the new soil, so over wet right now will hinder that a lot.

Planting babies or sprouting into big pots needs to be managed methodically until myco links. Then a big pot is a great place to grow up.

It takes about 10 days for myco to get established so it's a process. Hopefully in 3 weeks we will have root tips poking thru the bottom of the pot.

Here's my 2 Miss Sticky original mothers. So far they have given me 16 clones and I have chopped them completely back 3 times.

If you zoom in you can see some lower leaves with the scars of a mag deficiency. Those were the original leaves from when they were cuttings and the original Miss Sticky had a mag issue when she was young. The one I corrected with the root drench.

She is so easy to grow. She asks for nothing. I top dress 4-4-4, EWC, and use fish ferts. Then some dolowater every now and then and that's it. They get left alone for days on end and love it.

Here's the kids. One pampered and missing a couple fans from brixing.

And one tortured one.

 

[Carmen Ray]

Down deep it's still very wet.

That's waaaaay wetter than how I plant. Hmmmm I think the ol lady method is still a sound proposition for me.

They are hungry.

I was going to say. Gee, the one green one, is that the baby that clung to life in a worm coffin?

 

[Azimuth]

I was going to say. Gee, the one green one, is that the baby that clung to life in a worm coffin?

Worm habitat, @Carmen Ray . Coffin.

 

[Carmen Ray]

Worm habitat, @Carmen Ray . Coffin.

You're quite right Azi

 

[Carmen Ray]

I stand corrected Worms and bees, where'd we be without em

 

[4our8ighty0]

Durban Poison - Day 17.

The mix is drying down quickly.

Down deep it's still very wet.

Level with the rootball it's falling into the green zone perfectly. Either late today or first thing tomorrow each sproutling will get 1/4 cup of fish water carefully watered into it's solo cup rootball. They are hungry.

As the entire pot dries down roots should chase it. Right now I have to cater to the rootball as well as make her root out, so I have to water the plant and water the rest of the pot seperately.

The inner rootball will get watered and fed, the outer pot needs to be inviting.

Myco needs to propogate from the dusting I gave the rootball into the new soil, so over wet right now will hinder that a lot.

Planting babies or sprouting into big pots needs to be managed methodically until myco links. Then a big pot is a great place to grow up.

It takes about 10 days for myco to get established so it's a process. Hopefully in 3 weeks we will have root tips poking thru the bottom of the pot.

Here's my 2 Miss Sticky original mothers. So far they have given me 16 clones and I have chopped them completely back 3 times.

If you zoom in you can see some lower leaves with the scars of a mag deficiency. Those were the original leaves from when they were cuttings and the original Miss Sticky had a mag issue when she was young. The one I corrected with the root drench.

She is so easy to grow. She asks for nothing. I top dress 4-4-4, EWC, and use fish ferts. Then some dolowater every now and then and that's it. They get left alone for days on end and love it.

Here's the kids. One pampered and missing a couple fans from brixing.

And one tortured one.

Yessir I have actually lost plants in the past cuz I diddnt know to slightly under water root ball and then do water ring around outer soil the first 5 to 10 days. Lol they just wilted in a pot with wet soil like 2 or 3 inches away lol. Sheesh you wild bro,going straight to that 5 gal I think it is? would have me stressed af. I'm terrible with small root systems,I have to have at least one pot in between clone and forever home. For no other reason except that I will probably kill it because of my unfamiliarity with seedlings in 5 gal pots lolol but you killing it and seem familiar. The tortured girl appears to have forgivin you and is coming around she darkening up n starting to look proud,congrats good sir

 

[Carmen Ray]

Yessir I have actually lost plants in the past cuz I diddnt know to slightly under water root ball and then do water ring around outer soil the first 5 to 10 days. Lol they just wilted in a pot with wet soil like 2 or 3 inches away lol. Sheesh you wild bro,going straight to that 5 gal I think it is? would have me stressed af. I'm terrible with small root systems,I have to have at least one pot in between clone and forever home. For no other reason except that I will probably kill it because of my unfamiliarity with seedlings in 5 gal pots lolol but you killing it and seem familiar. The tortured girl appears to have forgivin you and is coming around she darkening up n starting to look proud,congrats good sir

I think you're a candidate for this fail proof method... trust me. Make your soil damp enough so that if you take a handful of it and squeeze, it forms a ball.... It should be moist enough to clump in a fistful. Squeeze it so it almost has a bead of moisture and retracts. That's the perfect moisture for germination and early seedling growth imo. Compare that with another method and see which works best for you. Use a water stik.

 

[4our8ighty0]

I think you're a candidate for this fail proof method... trust me. Make your soil damp enough so that if you take a handful of it and squeeze, it forms a ball.... It should be moist enough to clump in a fistful. Squeeze it so it almost has a bead of moisture and retracts. That's the perfect moisture for germination and early seedling growth imo. Compare that with another method and see which works best for you. Use a water stik.

Wait so handful of soil,squeeze really tight? And if it's at perfect moisture level I should be able to squeeze a few drops of water out ? Really !!?? That's so easy an slick does it really correlate ? That's awesome,I'm def gonna try that out cuz like I said soil is tricky and I'm far from capable w moist soil,this could really help fr thank you Carmen Ray I'm gonna try it as soon as I can !!!!

 

[Carmen Ray]

Wait so handful of soil,squeeze really tight? And if it's at perfect moisture level I should be able to squeeze a few drops of water out ? Really !!?? That's so easy an slick does it really correlate ? That's awesome,I'm def gonna try that out cuz like I said soil is tricky and I'm far from capable w moist soil,this could really help fr thank you Carmen Ray I'm gonna try it as soon as I can !!!!

If you squeeze drops out it's too much. Just to the point of almost a drop but not quite

 

[g-one-three]

It wasn't clones that I culled, it was a seedling that was born a gimp, and a seedling that was a runt.

The runt re-rooted itself after I pulled it out of it's solo and tossed it into the worm farm. It had quite the little rootball when I scooped it out.

It was laying on it's side in the dark and rooted in.

I wish I had of got pictures before I repotted it, but my phone was upstairs.

It's a really nice green and looks very healthy other than the tip of a leaf blade is missing on one leaf.

That's kinda the start of the myth of Dumpster strain from Ohio lol. Who knows you may get an extra special treat!

 

[Gee64]

I was going to say. Gee, the one green one, is that the baby that clung to life in a worm coffin?

It is

Sheesh you wild bro,going straight to that 5 gal I think it is?

10 gallon pots.

That's kinda the start of the myth of Dumpster strain from Ohio lol. Who knows you may get an extra special treat!

The ever elusive Dumpster Durban pheno!

 

[Carmen Ray]

Wait so handful of soil,squeeze really tight? And if it's at perfect moisture level I should be able to squeeze a few drops of water out ? Really !!?? That's so easy an slick does it really correlate ? That's awesome,I'm def gonna try that out cuz like I said soil is tricky and I'm far from capable w moist soil,this could really help fr thank you Carmen Ray I'm gonna try it as soon as I can !!!!

Thereafter, use the water stik method and don't add any water until the stik tells you. For me that takes a couple of weeks, depending on how hot and dry the weather is. The goal is to get into the wet / dry cycle once the plant is established in that moist medium.

I asked Gee about this method because it was he who taught it to me, yet it doesn't follow the traditional wet/dry method. His response was that it is a good method for those who are struggling with overwatering issues to experiment with. I find it super convenient. The jury is out whether it makes roots as big as the wet/dry cycle, but you could do a side by side and compare roots.

It's hard to tell on autos, particularly when running different strains, because some phenos just don't grow big roots in my experience, whilst others fill the bag. Side by side with fem photos could work, or with clones.

Anyway, if you take a look at my last three grows, the plants are green and healthy with no issues. I put that down to my soil mix and watering method. It's a pretty reliable method and removes a lot of anxiety in the beginning of the grow. These grows have not produced big plants but I think that is down to genetics. I'm going to keep going with this method until I have some answers.

 

[Gee64]

Nothing yet, to much work and travel. Will do a winter tent grow, just gotta buy the ingredients. I have learned so much from you and everyone so I'm excited to try a cloth bag grow instead of my usual SIP's. Soon....

Hows things @Gidorah ? Got your winter grow figured yet?

 

[Gee64]

It was a really hectic day yesterday but thru it I managed to get some fish water on the babies.

They were still a bit too wet but they were hungry so they got it anyways. Now they can dry down and root in while I try to leave them alone.

2 of them got their 1st topping above the 3rd node. The manifold begins. The other 2 are still 24-48 hours away from topping.

 

[4our8ighty0]

Thereafter, use the water stik method and don't add any water until the stik tells you. For me that takes a couple of weeks, depending on how hot and dry the weather is. The goal is to get into the wet / dry cycle once the plant is established in that moist medium.

I asked Gee about this method because it was he who taught it to me, yet it doesn't follow the traditional wet/dry method. His response was that it is a good method for those who are struggling with overwatering issues to experiment with. I find it super convenient. The jury is out whether it makes roots as big as the wet/dry cycle, but you could do a side by side and compare roots.

It's hard to tell on autos, particularly when running different strains, because some phenos just don't grow big roots in my experience, whilst others fill the bag. Side by side with fem photos could work, or with clones.

Anyway, if you take a look at my last three grows, the plants are green and healthy with no issues. I put that down to my soil mix and watering method. It's a pretty reliable method and removes a lot of anxiety in the beginning of the grow. These grows have not produced big plants but I think that is down to genetics. I'm going to keep going with this method until I have some answers.

Nice I never tried a stick to read soil,the hand squeeze more my alley,I get my readings now very similarly but no squeezing. Just get my fingers in there and lift pot n look at plant squeeze is a great addition!! I def think there is something to the dry back,but it's a strange thing sometimes. I noticed that most of the growth occurs when soil is dryer but I also know too dry is killing microbe n soil life so it's a very tricky window of optimization that is still difficult to balance. Have you ever heard of those mini dry backs ? I think there's something to it for sure. It also is very different from plant to plant,soil to soil,pot size and tons of other factors make broad applications pointless in many situations. It's really just one of those things that comes with time and experience. I'm not there but I'm WAY closer than I was lolol

 

[Carmen Ray]

Nice I never tried a stick to read soil,the hand squeeze more my alley,I get my readings now very similarly but no squeezing. Just get my fingers in there and lift pot n look at plant squeeze is a great addition!! I def think there is something to the dry back,but it's a strange thing sometimes. I noticed that most of the growth occurs when soil is dryer but I also know too dry is killing microbe n soil life so it's a very tricky window of optimization that is still difficult to balance. Have you ever heard of those mini dry backs ? I think there's something to it for sure. It also is very different from plant to plant,soil to soil,pot size and tons of other factors make broad applications pointless in many situations. It's really just one of those things that comes with time and experience. I'm not there but I'm WAY closer than I was lolol

I agree that window of optimization is very tricky, but I think it would have to be bone dry to lose the micro herd and there is always going to be osmosis and capillary action from the moisture to the dry spots, so even if the soil particles are dry, I'm betting the pockets of dryness are still humid and warm, and microbes may die back but they would repopulate very quickly (this is my stoner brain visualizing it all lol). I also think once the seedling is past the stage of being so vulnerable to shock, and is more resilient, if dry back was severe then at least the plant would withstand the shock. I too am learning to read the plants the more I grow. I try to watch the plant and wait for it to show me when it needs water. I confirm my reading using the water stick, which reduces my anxiety lol. One day we'll be plant whisperers

 

[4our8ighty0]

I agree that window of optimization is very tricky, but I think it would have to be bone dry to lose the micro herd and there is always going to be osmosis and capillary action from the moisture to the dry spots, so even if the soil particles are dry, I'm betting the pockets of dryness are still humid and warm, and microbes may die back but they would repopulate very quickly (this is my stoner brain visualizing it all lol). I also think once the seedling is past the stage of being so vulnerable to shock, and is more resilient, if dry back was severe then at least the plant would withstand the shock. I too am learning to read the plants the more I grow. I try to watch the plant and wait for it to show me when it needs water. I confirm my reading using the water stick, which reduces my anxiety lol. One day we'll be plant whisperers

Yea maybe your right tho,maybe that lil bit of a die back is very similar to like defoliating or population control. Plus it would have to get crazy dry to do any real damage to the colonies. I also think it must be natural to have regular dry backs cuz of nature n sporadic rains, cannabis can bounce back from Detroit in a few hrs but over water her n your gonna wait days or weeks for her to recover. ....huh... I also have noticed the benefits of drought stress at harvest time as well. Maybe it's just a evolved part of the process to dry back regularly. Like in nature. So it's literally evolved to benefit from them some how ??

 

[Carmen Ray]

Yea maybe your right tho,maybe that lil bit of a die back is very similar to like defoliating or population control. Plus it would have to get crazy dry to do any real damage to the colonies. I also think it must be natural to have regular dry backs cuz of nature n sporadic rains, cannabis can bounce back from Detroit in a few hrs but over water her n your gonna wait days or weeks for her to recover. ....huh... I also have noticed the benefits of drought stress at harvest time as well. Maybe it's just a evolved part of the process to dry back regularly. Like in nature. So it's literally evolved to benefit from them some how ?

Some cannabis grows from drinking foliar dew. This is something that I saw on a video about Transkei landraces. The plants higher up the mountain are getting their main source of water from foliar dew! There are also surface roots that drink the dew. Cannabis is When you think about how it is able to mutate to survive...

 

[4our8ighty0]

Some cannabis grows from drinking foliar dew. This is something that I saw on a video about Transkei landraces. The plants higher up the mountain are getting their main source of water from foliar dew! There are also surface roots that drink the dew. Cannabis is When you think about how it is able to mutate to survive...

Oh that's nuts,imagine trying to water that plant lolol I diddnt know about this,I mean I figured they could use the dew but live off it? Wat !!?? Lmao your right cannabis is like the cephalopods of the plant world

 

[g-one-three]

I'm presenting my old roots for your consideration haha buncha rootaholics round here.

So I found something interesting with these roots, there was an thick 1" mat of ultra fine roots at the top. This was below the loose 1" top section that would have been top fed. There were very large roots directly to the the bottom and fine roots again. Pretty neat to see especially because both root balls looked almost identical.