I am so amped for this harvest! :passitleft:
Wait. Are you getting a cut? I don't recall any mention of sharing. Perhaps I was absent that day?

Damn it! Another opportunity lost. I don't know, maybe if I showed up more often things might be different. Big sigh....
 
Wait. Are you getting a cut? I don't recall any mention of sharing. Perhaps I was absent that day?

Damn it! Another opportunity lost. I don't know, maybe if I showed up more often things might be different. Big sigh....
Azi you were likely busy on a hand-model photoshoot🤣🤣🤣

Hows your brix levels?

How are the plants?

What you got going on?
 
I just got my soil into my 7 gallon pots. I'm kicking around doing some Gaia spikes but I'm not sure that it won't be overkill. I know that it's been discussed here but could you give me a short refresher? I want to make sure that these Sativa's have plenty of food available for the duration of the grow.
If your plan is regular top dressing then there's really no need for spikes.

If your plan is for a water/fish only grow then use the spikes.

Spikes will give you more in the end on a water only grow but they are like bombs for the first 4 weeks.

If the pot starts to have calcium issues in the 1st couple weeks the best way out is to drench it fully in a tub of water for 15 minutes, drip it out, and calcium will almost always be corrected for the rest of the grow, but..... if those spikes aren't being consumed yet then the full flood activates them hard and you will get tip burn. Tip burn is no big deal but when you get it early all your pictures suck.

If you have no issues and the roots grow into the spikes then you will get a big boost and right when stretch is finishing and most issues pop up.

But if you topdress regularly you don't need them.
I think my Panama and Strawberry cough will be in pots by the end of next week so just a little ahead of your Durbans.
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If your plan is regular top dressing then there's really no need for spikes.

If your plan is for a water/fish only grow then use the spikes.

Spikes will give you more in the end on a water only grow but they are like bombs for the first 4 weeks.

If the pot starts to have calcium issues in the 1st couple weeks the best way out is to drench it fully in a tub of water for 15 minutes, drip it out, and calcium will almost always be corrected for the rest of the grow, but..... if those spikes aren't being consumed yet then the full flood activates them hard and you will get tip burn. Tip burn is no big deal but when you get it early all your pictures suck.

If you have no issues and the roots grow into the spikes then you will get a big boost and right when stretch is finishing and most issues pop up.

But if you topdress regularly you don't need them.
Ahh I'm probably going to top dress. It's been working for me and there's no sense changing now. I figure if these weren't going to be 11 week flowers I could do water only but at 7 gallons they would be out of gas by flower.
 
Hi Gee
She is past the too zippy stage by now.
80% cloudy is prime for me. I usually chop when the ambers show up. Dont think it will hurt to give her another couple of days though. When she stops drinking is usually about that time. Almost always harvest with a few white pistils here and there. I also mostly go with how the buds feel. if they feel ripe with a gentle squeeze, you should be good to go. I recon your window is definitely open now so its growers choice from this point. Can always snip a small larf valley nug and quick dry it and see how that wets your whistle. Times that effect by 5 at least and thats where you should be after a cure and dry.
Have you tried any of the other buds your harvested yet?
Cheers.
How zippy is Miss Sticky for a sativa? I'm at about 60% cloudy, 39% clear, and as of today I have a few ambers appearing, but she's also got a few white hairs that haven't gone orange yet and she's still pushing resin. So she's still a day-ish away from harvest at least.

Normally I harvest sativas at about 80% cloudy, 10% clear, and 10% amber. So if she's a bit zippier than most, or a bit less zippy than most, I still have time to adjust harvest.

She's really yummy looking, I want to nail it.

What should I aim for with the trichs?
 
Hi Gee
She is past the too zippy stage by now.
80% cloudy is prime for me. I usually chop when the ambers show up. Dont think it will hurt to give her another couple of days though. When she stops drinking is usually about that time. Almost always harvest with a few white pistils here and there. I also mostly go with how the buds feel. if they feel ripe with a gentle squeeze, you should be good to go. I recon your window is definitely open now so its growers choice from this point. Can always snip a small larf valley nug and quick dry it and see how that wets your whistle. Times that effect by 5 at least and thats where you should be after a cure and dry.
Have you tried any of the other buds your harvested yet?
Cheers.
Thanks Matt. There are only a few ambers. Less than one percent. Last night right before lights out she was up to about 70% cloudy so I think today will be the day, but I'll check again 1st. The way she's still pushing resin I'd hate to leave any on the table, but I want her at what I consider perfectly ripe, so I'll wait as long as I can but not let her get over ripe.

If it's past the zippy stage already then I'll take her at 80% where I normally like to harvest. Hopefully in a couple hours when lights come on as today works well for me. Fingers crossed🤞

She's down to drinking a couple litres of water every few days so she's not transpiring much now.

What a pleasure to grow. I fussed a bit after stretch only to realize I needed to stop fussing and let her run, so I just watered and top dressed and she did the rest🥰.

Really my only work other than top dressing was a couple rounds of dolo water to fix calcium after stretch to get brix back up. Easy Peasy😊👊

Thanks for throwing her in with my order. She was a ton of easy fun to grow. 🥰👊
 
Ahoy @Gee64
This brix you mention has always been interesting to me, but maybe a bit over my head. Does it help you measure the overall plant fitness? I am a fan of anything science related to cannabis. I am big into measuring plant turgid posture. The happy plants are always tightest leaf wilt angle (LWA) and use it as a visual communicator.
Sending your garden my love.
 
Hows your brix levels?

How are the plants?

What you got going on?
13 and slightly fuzzy in veg. I'll check flower in a couple of hours for quickie reading but it's a 3am exercise for the real deal so, you know. :rolleyes:

I am starting to see some evidence of thrips on the flowering plant so it's below 12 for sure. :(

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I'm about to try something and want to get your thoughts.

My normal practice is to mulch with compost about 3 weeks before flip and then mist that top covering a couple of times per day in veg and once per day in flower.

My thinking is that between the compost and my weekly top dressing with both castings and my top dressing mix, I should have plenty of microbes breaking down the additions and mixing with feeder roots up top and I want to keep them moist to enable their work since I know microbes move around with moisture and tend to go dormant when the environment dries out.

I wonder, though, if the regular misting negatively affects a proper soil structure environment so I'm going to try letting that compost layer dry out a bit and see if I notice any changes.

You have any thoughts on the matter?
 
Ahoy @Gee64
This brix you mention has always been interesting to me, but maybe a bit over my head. Does it help you measure the overall plant fitness? I am a fan of anything science related to cannabis. I am big into measuring plant turgid posture. The happy plants are always tightest leaf wilt angle (LWA) and use it as a visual communicator.
Sending your garden my love.
Hey Maritimer✌️😊👊. Garden Love right back atcha brother❤️😊.

What brix is, is a scale to show the percentage of sugars in a plant's sap. Depending on who you listen to, a brix level of either 13 or 14 is where plants become too high in sugars for bugs to consume, and too healthy for pathogens to take hold.

I'm not sure about the pathogen part because I live in a desert and the nearest fungal spore is a few hundred miles away🤣. It's just too dry here for budrot and PM and such.

How it works in a plant is quite simple. The more you can photosynthesize sugars, the higher your brix levels will be.

Plants create sugars and send roughly half of those sugars down to the roots to exudate out into the soil for the soil microlife to eat, as it's a pure high carbon diet. It's soil microbes favorite food.

So when the roots squirt it into the dirt the microlife eats the dirt to get the sugar, and the root waits for the sugar-dirt poop to come out of the microbe.

The limitation in general growing is that if you use synthetics there is no longer a need for microbes, therefore no need for exudates, therefore less sugars internally and a long story short.... You can get high brix with synthetics but it's hard work and you have to force it from start to harvest.

Now in Living Soil, like I use, my plant will strive as hard as it can to become high brix because it has a pot full of microbes to support in order to get some poop to eat, no free ride synthetics kicking around.

So now it comes down to efficiency, because the plant needs to create twice the amount of sugars it needs in order to feed itself and the soil.

When it reaches the point that it can support everything running full steam and still turn a profit on sugar, you are now both high brix and sequestering carbon.

At this point the plant is simply too healthy for bugs.

The trick is in how do you get to lets say brix 14 to be really safe?

It's actually really easy and there is hard science behind it.

You need to reach optimal levels of 5 things, and it needs to be achieved in an environment with adequate light and abundance of all minerals so photosynthesis itself isn't compromised, as really all you're doing is boosting the photosynthesis of sugars.

Once you have light and minerals covered it these 5 things in balance.

Carbon, oxygen, calcium, phosphorus, and beneficial aerobic soil microbes/myco fungii.

The calcium feeds the plant as it needs to intake calcium, but it also creates tilth in your soil if it is correctly balanced with magnesium, such as dolomite lime.

That tilth gives water and air unhindered passage between your soil particles, so if you water correctly then proper soil calcium creates proper oxygen. That's 2 down. Carbon comes from the air. Thats 3 down. Innoculating the pot with myco fungii and EWC brings the beneficial aerobic microbes, so now it's just phosphorus, and all you do there is make sure it's in your global soil mix.

That's it really, but calcium is the lynch pin. If it gets low, brix crash. If it get's too high, leaves fry and now you can't photosynthesize so brix crash.

The trick is to buy a 20 dollar analog, not digital, refractometer. It will tell you your brix levels but it will also tell you your calcium levels. That's extremely handy.

And a cheapo $5 single probe soil moisture meter. I know what you're thinking, but you need a guage to dry or wet your soil just a smidge to control oxygen, or again, if it goes out of balance, like from over watering, brix will crash.

So you need a good LOS mix, a refractometer and water stik, and cloth pots will greatly aid the cause, it's an oxygen thing, but you can do it in hard pots too.

If you have any questions or if you decide to try it and want a hand, please ask, I don't mind helping. 👍😊👊

If you follow the rules of LOS, and build a good calcium and mineral rich soil high brix just happens.

If gou want or need a soil recipe I can give you the one I use. If gou're familiar with growing organically then getting brix up is quite easy.
 
Hey Maritimer✌️😊👊. Garden Love right back atcha brother❤️😊.

What brix is, is a scale to show the percentage of sugars in a plant's sap. Depending on who you listen to, a brix level of either 13 or 14 is where plants become too high in sugars for bugs to consume, and too healthy for pathogens to take hold.

I'm not sure about the pathogen part because I live in a desert and the nearest fungal spore is a few hundred miles away🤣. It's just too dry here for budrot and PM and such.

How it works in a plant is quite simple. The more you can photosynthesize sugars, the higher your brix levels will be.

Plants create sugars and send roughly half of those sugars down to the roots to exudate out into the soil for the soil microlife to eat, as it's a pure high carbon diet. It's soil microbes favorite food.

So when the roots squirt it into the dirt the microlife eats the dirt to get the sugar, and the root waits for the sugar-dirt poop to come out of the microbe.

The limitation in general growing is that if you use synthetics there is no longer a need for microbes, therefore no need for exudates, therefore less sugars internally and a long story short.... You can get high brix with synthetics but it's hard work and you have to force it from start to harvest.

Now in Living Soil, like I use, my plant will strive as hard as it can to become high brix because it has a pot full of microbes to support in order to get some poop to eat, no free ride synthetics kicking around.

So now it comes down to efficiency, because the plant needs to create twice the amount of sugars it needs in order to feed itself and the soil.

When it reaches the point that it can support everything running full steam and still turn a profit on sugar, you are now both high brix and sequestering carbon.

At this point the plant is simply too healthy for bugs.

The trick is in how do you get to lets say brix 14 to be really safe?

It's actually really easy and there is hard science behind it.

You need to reach optimal levels of 5 things, and it needs to be achieved in an environment with adequate light and abundance of all minerals so photosynthesis itself isn't compromised, as really all you're doing is boosting the photosynthesis of sugars.

Once you have light and minerals covered it these 5 things in balance.

Carbon, oxygen, calcium, phosphorus, and beneficial aerobic soil microbes/myco fungii.

The calcium feeds the plant as it needs to intake calcium, but it also creates tilth in your soil if it is correctly balanced with magnesium, such as dolomite lime.

That tilth gives water and air unhindered passage between your soil particles, so if you water correctly then proper soil calcium creates proper oxygen. That's 2 down. Carbon comes from the air. Thats 3 down. Innoculating the pot with myco fungii and EWC brings the beneficial aerobic microbes, so now it's just phosphorus, and all you do there is make sure it's in your global soil mix.

That's it really, but calcium is the lynch pin. If it gets low, brix crash. If it get's too high, leaves fry and now you can't photosynthesize so brix crash.

The trick is to buy a 20 dollar analog, not digital, refractometer. It will tell you your brix levels but it will also tell you your calcium levels. That's extremely handy.

And a cheapo $5 single probe soil moisture meter. I know what you're thinking, but you need a guage to dry or wet your soil just a smidge to control oxygen, or again, if it goes out of balance, like from over watering, brix will crash.

So you need a good LOS mix, a refractometer and water stik, and cloth pots will greatly aid the cause, it's an oxygen thing, but you can do it in hard pots too.

If you have any questions or if you decide to try it and want a hand, please ask, I don't mind helping. 👍😊👊

If you follow the rules of LOS, and build a good calcium and mineral rich soil high brix just happens.

If gou want or need a soil recipe I can give you the one I use. If gou're familiar with growing organically then getting brix up is quite easy.
So the brix is a reflection of soil and plant health? So if I do cover the 5 bases and my plants look great and grow fast drink heavy can I assume my brix is high w out testing. Can I cover the 5 bases and still have a low brix?
 
13 and slightly fuzzy in veg. I'll check flower in a couple of hours for quickie reading but it's a 3am exercise for the real deal so, you know. :rolleyes:
OK thats good. More is better but your into high brix, that's all that really matters, however if you give them 1 dose of blackstrap non-sulphured molasses water you can get your 1 free brix boost. It sounds like a couple free points right now would really help.
I am starting to see some evidence of thrips on the flowering plant so it's below 12 for sure. :(
Molasses
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I'm about to try something and want to get your thoughts.

My normal practice is to mulch with compost about 3 weeks before flip and then mist that top covering a couple of times per day in veg and once per day in flower.

My thinking is that between the compost and my weekly top dressing with both castings and my top dressing mix, I should have plenty of microbes breaking down the additions and mixing with feeder roots up top and I want to keep them moist to enable their work since I know microbes move around with moisture and tend to go dormant when the environment dries out.

I wonder, though, if the regular misting negatively affects a proper soil structure environment so I'm going to try letting that compost layer dry out a bit and see if I notice any changes.

You have any thoughts on the matter?
I do have thoughts. When you 1st apply topdressing by all means water it in. Then let it dry and crumble it up well. After that you can mist it if you like but let the surface dry between mistings so you can check for crusting. If it's fluffy then mist again. Rinse and repeat. If it's crusty after the 1st fluffing then fix that.

If you leave the top wet all the time calcium will fall quicker too.
 
So the brix is a reflection of soil and plant health? So if I do cover the 5 bases and my plants look great and grow fast drink heavy can I assume my brix is high w out testing. Can I cover the 5 bases and still have a low brix?
You can get high brix without testing, but not likely. Calcium and soil moisture are almost never gotten correctly by anyone in LOS. Experienced growers yes, no problem. Most people would have to get lucky a few times, and it's a floating target as the plant and rootball increase.

With a refractometer you can test daily if you want, and the split second calcium starts to drop you can correct it. If you don't then in 7 days a trained eye can see it and in 14 days all eyes see it, so you ran 7-14 days at sub-optimal. That makes high brix tough.

Same for soil moisture. 1% too much water is a 1% oxygen deficiency. Water Stiks are $2-$5.

$20 US should get you both.

On the other hand, if you never have pests like mites, thrips, or aphids then likely you're high brix already.

If you let the top of your pot dry out until it's fairly dry and ready for a good watering, before you water it crumble up the soil surface. If it's already fluffy then calcium is good. If it's crusty at all and you have to break it all up to make it fluffy, you need calmag. Calmag will stop that crudstiness on contact. Use a low dosage mix from the instructions or mix your own to no more than 50ppm. If one watering doesn't fix it the 2nd will, but let it dry down between. You can easily overdo calcium this way. Multiple small doses far exceed one big one.

There are ways without tools to grow bug free plants.
 
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