The Gee Spot - You Finally Found It

[Gee64]

Thanks for the rootopsy GEE! Don't you love it when it's jamming in there!

You know it Brother!

This one reminds me of a strawberry cough I grew in a 15 gal cloth pot in the 4 x 4 as a single plant.

15 gals, that must have been a heavy beast!

My first pounder!

I don't think Miss Sticky will hit a pound butI'd be happy with 8-10 oz's.

Those roots were so tight I needed tools to break them up!

Haha 1st world problems!

I wish I had dissected the 27 gal rootball in the outdoor tote but it weighed a couple hundred pounds, so it's composting right in it's tote til spring.

 

[Gee64]

Sounds like a great tea addition.

So far I've only used it by itself, and I didn't really measure it. I put about 64 oz RO water in the blender, toss in an entire aloe leaf, and blende it up. Then I add that to 2 gallons of water and give everyone a feed. The effects are subtle but a month later on a side-by-side the effects were noticeable, and then of course the quality of the clones at least looks better.

Sorry to spam u bro,but aloe vera plants have many different breeds and I have discovered over time that different aloe vera "phenos" I guess? Have different nutritional benefits depending on genetics. Some aloe are very beneficial for other plants,some for humans and they have different effects based of grow environment also. It's very cool.

I read a bit on this. It seems to be an amazing plant.

Mine is Aloe barbadensis 'Miller'. The common aloe by the sounds of it.

My son got it 10 years ago from what was then a 40 year old plant, and I've been perpetuating it thru pups ever since. It's a robust pheno that grows big and multiplies quickly, so I have more than enough.

I'm going to try it as a rooting hormone on my next cut of clones but 1st I need to see how far these ones can go.

They were 14/16 rooting with Stimroot #2, so that will be my benchmark.

 

[Gee64]

Here's a good tip for anyone struggling with cloning. To grow roots you need moisture, which we all know, but after that, all the nutrients to grow those roots either have to come from the leaves, or get manufactured out of thin air thru photosynthesis.

You don't want the plant to grow, you want roots to form. So go with lower light. I use an 18" t5 Sunblaster flourescent tube hung 5' above the cuttings in an otherwise dark room. So the tip.....

Because the nutes and more importantly, the energy to grow those roots, needs to be sucked from the cutting, and a large cutting will produce the same volume of roots as a small cutting, the large cutting will have far more energy and nutrients stored in it than the small cutting will.

That extra energy grows roots with less detriment to the clone. Once the roots form, the larger cutting will have more remaining energy stored within than a small cutting.

Large cuttings outperform small ones. I usually take 8-16 cuttings, root them all, and pick the best 2 rooters to plant. The best 2 rooters are almost always the biggest 2.

That early advantage quite often carries thru for life if you compare.

Smaller cuttings still root just fine, but your chances of losing leaves or having a successful clone that is ragged by the time it takes, go up a lot.

Clone branches, which are the 2nd node branches, work the best. If you cut them before they start to get staggered nodes you get a great quadliner or mainliner clone with perfect balance.

 

[4our8ighty0]

So far I've only used it by itself, and I didn't really measure it. I put about 64 oz RO water in the blender, toss in an entire aloe leaf, and blende it up. Then I add that to 2 gallons of water and give everyone a feed. The effects are subtle but a month later on a side-by-side the effects were noticeable, and then of course the quality of the clones at least looks better.

I read a bit on this. It seems to be an amazing plant.

Mine is Aloe barbadensis 'Miller'. The common aloe by the sounds of it.

My son got it 10 years ago from what was then a 40 year old plant, and I've been perpetuating it thru pups ever since. It's a robust pheno that grows big and multiplies quickly, so I have more than enough.

I'm going to try it as a rooting hormone on my next cut of clones but 1st I need to see how far these ones can go.

They were 14/16 rooting with Stimroot #2, so that will be my benchmark.

Yea that's whatsup bro,aloe is also a rooting hormone aswell I prefer a none artificial hormone based approach to cloning,I have very bad ratios when I use hormone(could be me,or the hormone) I do use natural hormone sources like aloe vera,but for me maintaining that moist but not damp medium,and when to start hardening off are my weak spots for sure when I'm cloning cannabis. The aloe helps ease all forms of plant shock aswell. I usually take mini clones(2 inch to 4 inch clones just to experiment with and to test out certain runs w nutes of training ECT,to find the limits of the specific plant. I noticed most unstable or unhealthy plants cannot produce rooted mini clones. They always die before rooting if mother is unwell in some way. I'm curious if the nite storing effect that was mentioned plays a role in the survivability of these mini clones ?

I took these when I trimmed my veg plants about a week ago.....but these mini clones where fully submerged in none ph'd water for 4 ish days...they all looked to have grown and were vibrant healthy n green....except for the last 2 they was at the bottom (no light)

 

[4our8ighty0]

P.s ..I forgot about clones and left them there by accident,found them when I went for a coffee lol

 

[Gee64]

Yea that's whatsup bro,aloe is also a rooting hormone aswell I prefer a none artificial hormone based approach to cloning,I have very bad ratios when I use hormone(could be me,or the hormone) I do use natural hormone sources like aloe vera,but for me maintaining that moist but not damp medium,and when to start hardening off are my weak spots for sure when I'm cloning cannabis. The aloe helps ease all forms of plant shock aswell. I usually take mini clones(2 inch to 4 inch clones just to experiment with and to test out certain runs w nutes of training ECT,to find the limits of the specific plant. I noticed most unstable or unhealthy plants cannot produce rooted mini clones. They always die before rooting if mother is unwell in some way. I'm curious if the nite storing effect that was mentioned plays a role in the survivability of these mini clones ?

I took these when I trimmed my veg plants about a week ago.....but these mini clones where fully submerged in none ph'd water for 4 ish days...they all looked to have grown and were vibrant healthy n green....except for the last 2 they was at the bottom (no light)

It's pretty cool that there are so many different ways to get roots.

As for hardening off, that's why the aerocloner is my preferred way. You don't need to cut the leaves back and the only hardening is that you plant them in very wet soil, fully saturated to runoff, and as the soil dries down you may need to water them right at the stalk, but otherwise no hardening or wilting. No domes required.

Quite often they start to grow in 72 hours from planting or even less. They may look a bit limp for the 1st 24-48 hours but you rarely lose a leaf this way and all the side branches survive, so once rooted they get bushy quick.

Most don't even flinch. They just start growing and when myco links they explode.

 

[Gee64]

P.s ..I forgot about clones and left them there by accident,found them when I went for a coffee lol

See.... coffee is key!

 

[4our8ighty0]

See.... coffee is key!

Yea that checks out bro lolol

 

[4our8ighty0]

It's pretty cool that there are so many different ways to get roots.

As for hardening off, that's why the aerocloner is my preferred way. You don't need to cut the leaves back and the only hardening is that you plant them in very wet soil, fully saturated to runoff, and as the soil dries down you may need to water them right at the stalk, but otherwise no hardening or wilting. No domes required.

Quite often they start to grow in 72 hours from planting or even less. They may look a bit limp for the 1st 24-48 hours but you rarely lose a leaf this way and all the side branches survive, so once rooted they get bushy quick.

Most don't even flinch. They just start growing and when myco links they explode.

Auto cloner ? I've never used one but have seen them being used? How do you get roots without that massive rh increase ?

 

[4our8ighty0]

Auto cloner ? I've never used one but have seen them being used? How do you get roots without that massive rh increase ?

Is the cloner that good or does it limit high rh to only the root area ????

 

[Gee64]

The one I use is called a Clone King 36.

Is the cloner that good or does it limit high rh to only the root area ????

It limits it to the root area.

You put the cuttings into the neoprene pucks.

Inside you have a pump under the water that sprays the stems.

It comes out multiple jets to ensure equal moisture on all cuttings.

And you end up with this. Novdomes or leaf cutting required. The red things are the jet nozzles.

And 42 days later they are still viable for planting.

You do need to plant into really wet soil, but the dry down works perfectly to gradually get the roots linked to the soil.

This one is from the batch still in the cloner. It was planted a couple weeks ago. You can see a small bit of detriment in the bottom leaves but she won't lose any.

 

[4our8ighty0]

The one I use is called a Clone King 36.

It limits it to the root area.

You put the cuttings into the neoprene pucks.

Inside you have a pump under the water that sprays the stems.

It comes out multiple jets to ensure equal moisture on all cuttings.

And you end up with this. Novdomes or leaf cutting required. The red things are the jet nozzles.

And 42 days later they are still viable for planting.

You do need to plant into really wet soil, but the dry down works perfectly to gradually get the roots linked to the soil.

This one is from the batch still in the cloner. It was planted a couple weeks ago. You can see a small bit of detriment in the bottom leaves but she won't lose any.

Nice that's really high tech looking. Was it expensive? That is absolutely sick af...it does it keeps the humidity on the roots without changing above ground rh....that's brilliant omg does it have a air exchange for the root tank ? How do the plants do if going from cloner to soil ? No shock ? That thing is very cool

 

[Gee64]

Nice that's really high tech looking. Was it expensive? That is absolutely sick af...it does it keeps the humidity on the roots without changing above ground rh....that's brilliant omg does it have a air exchange for the root tank ? How do the plants do if going from cloner to soil ? No shock ? That thing is very cool

They transition to soil very well. I actually have a link in my signature on it. If you follow the process in my signature you will have fantastic results. It's called Cloning for SIP/Swick, but it works in regular pots really well too.

 

[4our8ighty0]

Nice ty bro I'll def check that out might replace my clone dome..

 

[Gee64]

As long as the soil you are planting in is fully saturated. They come from a very wet environment and will wilt if the soil isn't fully wetted.

You may need to water them right at the roots for a day or 2 until they get completely perky again.

After about 48 hours you let them dry down and treat them like any plant in veg.

 

[4our8ighty0]

As long as the soil you are planting in is fully saturated. They come from a very wet environment and will wilt if the soil isn't fully wetted.

You may need to water them right at the roots for a day or 2 until they get completely perky again.

After about 48 hours you let them dry down and treat them like any plant in veg.

That's amazing,and up to 45 days, I could stream line my cloning. I'm currently trying to figure a new system of continuous harvests and will be dealing with 18 clones at any given time. This cloner could eliminate the hardening phase and serve as a overflow if I get backed up somewhere else in the process

 

[Gee64]

That's amazing,and up to 45 days, I could stream line my cloning. I'm currently trying to figure a new system of continuous harvests and will be dealing with 18 clones at any given time. This cloner could eliminate the hardening phase and serve as a overflow if I get backed up somewhere else in the process

It is nice to be able to grab a rooted cutting at your leisure. Low brix plants may not last for 45 days tho. It's the cutting's stored energy getting them thru for this long on only RO water.

 

[4our8ighty0]

It is nice to be able to grab a rooted cutting at your leisure. Low brix plants may not last for 45 days tho. It's the cutting's stored energy getting them thru for this long on only RO water.

Ohhh I see so that makes sense,it awnsers my question earlierabout why unhealthy mothers can't root mini clones!! The mini clones just don't have enough resistance/stored nutes in leaves to feed mini clones long enough to root....that's very cool

 

[MedScientist]

Do you grow right in it, or do you use it like a swick to set a cloth pot on, like a tub of perlite?

I pull the wicks through the grow bag so they come up below the surface of the bag, then fill with Turface. They hang down below the bag to wick the feed. Then I plant directly into it.

Now you have 2 options.

You can set the bag over a res just below the bag and wick UP food, OR shorten the hanging wick so it doesn't touch the res, and pump the feed to top water the plant, utilizing the wick to drain the PWT down and out of the bag. Either way, the inside of the bag is ALWAYS moist with plenty of O2.

Indoors, I usually set it up for Top feed and drain. It was shown to grow MUCH faster this way, and leaves the Root zone Perfectly moist with unlimited O2.

This run I set it up without running a pump, and just wicked UP feed. I would Gestimate this performed as good as a SIP, but without the hassles of Soil.

 

[Gee64]

I pull the wicks through the grow bag so they come up below the surface of the bag, then fill with Turface. They hang down below the bag to wick the feed. Then I plant directly into it.

Now you have 2 options.

You can set the bag over a res just below the bag and wick UP food, OR shorten the hanging wick so it doesn't touch the res, and pump the feed to top water the plant, utilizing the wick to drain the PWT down and out of the bag. Either way, the inside of the bag is ALWAYS moist with plenty of O2.

Indoors, I usually set it up for Top feed and drain. It was shown to grow MUCH faster this way, and leaves the Root zone Perfectly moist with unlimited O2.

This run I set it up without running a pump, and just wicked UP feed. I would Gestimate this performed as good as a SIP, but without the hassles of Soil.

Very cool! I would imagine it's endlessly reuseable? Do you use it with synthetics, or with organics, and do you need to flush it from time to time?