"The Beast" gets serious!

[Trunk5]

Re: "The Beast" FryingPanFlyer gets serious!

i dont see 80 being a problem given the size of your room, as long as there is a decent air flow between the light hoods and canopy i wouldnt see any neg effect, im usualy between 78-82 when my lights on it varys on my ambient temp of the air going in.

 

[FryingPanFlyer]

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i dont see 80 being a problem given the size of your room, as long as there is a decent air flow between the light hoods and canopy i wouldnt see any neg effect, im usualy between 78-82 when my lights on it varys on my ambient temp of the air going in.

The problem is it keeps drifting up into the high 80's and sometimes hits 90. But I added the inline fan yesterday and it doesn't seem to be making much difference. Though I do see where the temp under the lights is only a few degrees higher than the ambient air so now I need to concentrate on getting more fresh air into the space.

I'm thinking the 8" inline fan simply isn't bringing enough night air into the garage so I'm thinking I'll go to a high output fan and bring in a good amount of air. I hope the hydro guys will take back the inline fan I tried! I'm spending money left and right getting this thing dialed in.

 

[Trunk5]

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hit up your local hardware store they all have fans on sale but look for the stanley blower fan, they go for like 35-50 depending on the store, hell walmart and menards has them for $40. there a 3 speed squirrel cage type fan, these things move air!! its what i use to exhaust my tent thru the light hood. but i could see it moving the type of air you need.

 

[FryingPanFlyer]

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hit up your local hardware store they all have fans on sale but look for the stanley blower fan, they go for like 35-50 depending on the store, hell walmart and menards has them for $40. there a 3 speed squirrel cage type fan, these things move air!! its what i use to exhaust my tent thru the light hood. but i could see it moving the type of air you need.

I'll look into that! Thanks man.

 

[BootUmAll]

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I'm dumping the air out the wall now so an attic fan is a non factor. A/C is an expense I want to put out, though it's still on the list.

I disagree FPF (respectfully of course) A large exhaust/Attic Fan placed in the peak will sigmificantly reduce the temps. Depending on where your wall dump is, all the heat is accumulating in the peak and then filling the remaining space.

Question. What nutes do you recommend for the best ROI? I'm heading off to the hydro store here in a minute and would appreciate your opinion.

 

[FryingPanFlyer]

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I disagree FPF (respectfully of course) A large exhaust/Attic Fan placed in the peak will sigmificantly reduce the temps. Depending on where your wall dump is, all the heat is accumulating in the peak and then filling the remaining space.

Question. What nutes do you recommend for the best ROI? I'm heading off to the hydro store here in a minute and would appreciate your opinion.

And I respect your opinion too, thanks for sticking to your guns, I respect a man and his convictions. However, an attic fan would definitely exhaust the attic nicely, but that's not where the problem is, it's in my garage where the heat is. I'm not dumping anything into the attic so that's not a factor any more. The ceiling of my garage is very well insulated from the attic, remember, my house is only three years old and I paid extra for the insulation up-grade. I've got close to 12" of cellulosic insulation over the garage.

And the reality is, right now it's 85 outside and 86 in the garage with my grow space. I need to bring in cool air at night and keep the warm air out during the day. I'm beginning to think this is the situation and I'm just going to have to ride it out, which I should be able to do.

I'm using Advanced Nutrients Sensi A&B, I've had good results with the basic formula, I don't believe you need all those exotic additives, my hydro guy does because he makes a ton of money from them. This is the first time I'm using the grow nutes, but that should be pretty basic, I also use Super Thrive with them. For flower I use AN Sensi A&B, Bid Bud , Liquid Carbo Load and of course Super Thrive.

I'm pretty disappointed in these nute manufacturers, I mean the Big Bud should come with the sensi A&B, you shouldn't have to buy that separate, and of course that stuff is three times the cost of the sensi A&B.

 

[BootUmAll]

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Thanks FPF. I'll go check it out. The place that is available (near) only carries the high end stuff. I'll get the names of what they recommend and ask some questions on the home page.

 

[Trunk5]

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i run advanced sensi also but may be switching to connoisseur bloom instead. but there are a few of there additives i do like, big bud is nice but found out kushy kush works a little better for weeks 2-5, over drive is a must that actually does extend the growing time and fattens up your buds in late bloom, and also bud candy for all the carbs and what not. there are a few others i want to try out but it will have to wait for my next run. bud blood/bud igniter you dont need that i didnt ever see a difference maybe a day or 2 earlier for the first flower to form. final phaze thats up to you i cant tell between that and just plain water to flush with taste the same to me. im anxious to pick up all there kits of ph perfect to see if it really works.

 

[FryingPanFlyer]

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Mule sent me an email the other day and said he's found a great nute. Says it's cheap but contains all the additives needed. He'll let me know when he's used it and seen some success. I'm real curious.

From what I've heard and seen, a lot of the nute companies are simply using formulas they've used since the 50's, probably for tomato production or some such. They are now breaking it down and repackaging it separately to really stick it to the grower.

I mean look at the AN Sensi A&B and Big Bud that I use. Just the Sensi A&B add up to an analysis of about 6-6-9 or simplified to 2-2-3. The Big Bud is only 0-2-4 so added to the Sensi's it work out to 6-8-13 or roughly 2-3-4. Why can't that be packaged together? Why did they split them up and charge $15 each for then A&B and $40 for the Big Bud in 1 liter bottles. This stuff should all be packaged together and sell for 1/4 the price they are charging.

I truly believe that using a simple off-the-shelf product with an analysis of probably 3-2-2 for grow and 2-3-4 for flower and an additive such as Super Thrive is all you need for a good grow. On another site I was talking with an old grower who uses just that system. He buys his nutes in bulk, orders them online and they deliver them right to his door. Oh yes, he's a commercial grower growing plants and such for the consumer market, not marijuana exclusively. He's been doing nursery work for something like 40 years.

 

[Myzz617]

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Just a thought but if you get like a 6 by 8 reducer you can then use a 8 inch inline fan with your 6 inch setup. you would need some 8inch ducting but still you could make it work hypothetically if you want to get a different inline fan. For my tent I have a 6inch inline that will be installed in the tent connected to the carbon air scrubber and then have two small duct fans one pulling fresh air in and one helping to push air out. Think that will be sufficient enough. whats the cubic feet for your beast?

 

[SciFi]

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So.. I know this doesn't apply directly to you since you're running cooled lights.. But let's do work some thermal-dynamic math.

Q = V x P x C x dT

where:
Q = Amount of heat generated (lighting) (kW)
V = Volume of air being ventilated (m3/s)
P = Density of air (assume 1.2 kg/m3)
C = Specific heat capacity of air (assume 1.02 kJ/kgK)
dT = Temperature difference between ambient and growspace air in degC

So...

3KW of light energy / ( (440CFM / 2119 to convert it to meters cubed/second) * 1.2 kg/m^3 * 1.02 kJ/kgK )

11.8C difference between your external heat temp and internal heat temps, which is 53F difference..

SWEET JESUS the inside of your ducts are hot.. Can you insulate them?

That could be an additional source of heat that you can get rid of with a bit of work.

 

[FryingPanFlyer]

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Wow, thanks man, that's a great thought, those ducts are probably radiating a lot of heat back into the room, damn good idea. I'll have to see what I can pick up at lowes. I know they have insulated duct, I wish I had bought that now. So now I need duct insulation.

I'll bet that's part of the reason why it's not cooling off much at nght.

So.. I know this doesn't apply directly to you since you're running cooled lights.. But let's do work some thermal-dynamic math.

Q = V x P x C x dT

where:
Q = Amount of heat generated (lighting) (kW)
V = Volume of air being ventilated (m3/s)
P = Density of air (assume 1.2 kg/m3)
C = Specific heat capacity of air (assume 1.02 kJ/kgK)
dT = Temperature difference between ambient and growspace air in degC

So...

3KW of light energy / ( (440CFM / 2119 to convert it to meters cubed/second) * 1.2 kg/m^3 * 1.02 kJ/kgK )

11.8C difference between your external heat temp and internal heat temps, which is 53F difference..

SWEET JESUS the inside of your ducts are hot.. Can you insulate them?

That could be an additional source of heat that you can get rid of with a bit of work.

 

[MostlyCrazy]

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Yahtzee!

 

[FryingPanFlyer]

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Yahtzee!

Lol! Yup!

There's got to be a lowes open somewhere!

 

[MostlyCrazy]

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I know they have it. I was looking at it to help in the summer but the price difference scared me off. Mine had it in 25 and 100' lengths, I think. Looks very sleeve like to me.

I didn't notice any heat of the standard vent but I'm running a 400 and your's is a horse of a different color.

 

[Doctor Who]

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Wow, thanks man, that's a great thought, those ducts are probably radiating a lot of heat back into the room, damn good idea. I'll have to see what I can pick up at lowes. I know they have insulated duct, I wish I had bought that now. So now I need duct insulation.

I'll bet that's part of the reason why it's not cooling off much at nght.

Just use insolated ducting like the stuff used for the A/C system, insolated ducting should work!

 

[FryingPanFlyer]

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I know they have it. I was looking at it to help in the summer but the price difference scared me off. Mine had it in 25 and 100' lengths, I think. Looks very sleeve like to me.

I didn't notice any heat of the standard vent but I'm running a 400 and your's is a horse of a different color.

The ducting is definitely much warmer than the air, I don't know a out 53 deg, but much warmer! I'm sure that duct is heating up the room. There is about 18' or 20' that I can insulate. And I doubt the stuff is too pricey. At worst I could use the Reflectex insulation, it made out of the same stuff as those "space blankets" but with seven layers and a layer of bubble wrap type material inside. It's just a matter of what do they carry.

 

[FryingPanFlyer]

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Just use insolated ducting like the stuff used for the A/C system, insolated ducting should work!

If I had thought of this before I put up the duct I sure would have, but since I've already run the plain duct I think it's easier to simply wrap it now.

This set up of mine is kind of weird in the way that it's a box inside of my garage. Most setups like this you just duct out the wall to the outside. Since The Beast is about 15' from the wall I have that duct run I forgot to consider when it comes to ambient room temps.

 

[Jasonlee247]

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I was checking out your post about nutrients, and thought I'd add some food for thought. Sorry, its McD's though...lol

In liquid form the nutes are seperated for shelf life. Combined without water as a buffer they will bond. That is why they have A's B's and Micros in some cases, and the Boosters like Big Bud are also seperate because of the high P & K ratios present. The higher the concentrations the higher the potential for nutrient bonding undiluted I believe... Once you add them to thw water they are diluted and less potential for bonding is present. I DO agree however that they are gouging the growers for sure. Look at the House and Garden line for example, or Humboldt line. some of those products are hundreds of dollars. Fu*K them. I boycott. That is one of the reasons that I use different products from different manufacturers.
You know though, if your looking for a good grow and bloom Base nutrient you might want to check out Ionic from HydroDynamics. I prefer that line. It's a 1 part using an Ion charge to keep the nutrients from bonding in a single part formula - Hence 'Ionic'. works well too. Been using it for years. ...and ofcourse you can still add all of your other stuff to it. Just look at the first page of my journal, I list what I currently add to it there. If anything it will still need a bloom booster for P & K.

 

[Doctor Who]

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If I had thought of this before I put up the duct I sure would have, but since I've already run the plain duct I think it's easier to simply wrap it now.

This set up of mine is kind of weird in the way that it's a box inside of my garage. Most setups like this you just duct out the wall to the outside. Since The Beast is about 15' from the wall I have that duct run I forgot to consider when it comes to ambient room temps.

Yeah my problem is where the room is built! and that is right under the master bedroom! which you can here the inline fan's humming in the bedroom, so I was up till 2am moving fan's, fun!

Hey enjoy the holiday Bro, and be safe!