Tead's Indoor-ish, Winter, Hempy, OGK, SOG

Shot of dead Crit+2.0 planted into Osmo pot.
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I put an Afgann reg seed into the pot just to see if it will work out any better, but I would expect the seed to sprout and then die.
 
so do you think the osmo was too hot? Ive read that pellet fertilizer can end up releasing too much nutes in warmer temps i have no clue if that's true but it seems logical. Im not sure how you figure out how much to even put in there so i couldn't be sure of how you should proceed from here. Ugh now im rambling don't mind me lol
 
lexort420 said:
so do you think the osmo was too hot? Ive read that pellet fertilizer can end up releasing too much nutes in warmer temps i have no clue if that's true but it seems logical. Im not sure how you figure out how much to even put in there so i couldn't be sure of how you should proceed from here. Ugh now im rambling don't mind me lol
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There's actually a PDF from the mfgr. regarding temps HERE . Yes, release rates rise as temps rise. I was hoping that the seedling could withstand it, but perhaps such hopes are folly. I put one of the afgann seeds in the pot to see if it can live if sprouted in that environment. I hold little hope for the experiment and feel that I'll have to reserve the Osmo growing method for clones.
Feeding rate is another issue you touch on. I looked at historic sources and discussions. Plus, the little balls work on an osmotic basis balancing a level of nutes thru the membrane. The level fluctuates with temps but stays relatively stable. Adding more Osmo balls to the mix allows the balls to live longer but doesn't have such a major effect on the ppm.
 
AKgramma said:
Personally, I would rather control the amount of nutes my babies get with a liquid that I can dilute. Weren't pellets designed for wide scattering in outdoor vegetable gardens?
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Yup... no doubt that Osmo+ was NOT created with hydroponic use in mind and is a feeding supplement designed for soil garden use.
I was never a fan of those lines on the paper that folks said I should stay inside of.
But, if I can get it to work reliably in a wide variety of configurations, I'll really have a lazy grow method at hand. That's really my goal. I've had success with clones in Osmo+, but these are the first seeds I've tried using it.
 
Tead said:
Yup... no doubt that Osmo+ was NOT created with hydroponic use in mind and is a feeding supplement designed for soil garden use.
I was never a fan of those lines on the paper that folks said I should stay inside of.
But, if I can get it to work reliably in a wide variety of configurations, I'll really have a lazy grow method at hand. That's really my goal. I've had success with clones in Osmo+, but these are the first seeds I've tried using it.
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I thought the general rule was don't feed seedlings for a month, or until the cotyledons fall off. They don't need anything more than what mother nature has provided them. Would you feed a human infant steak?
 
I think you might be trying to stretch a rule of thumb for a soil grow into the hydroponic world. The only source of food available to a plant in a neutral medium is whatever is stored in the seed itself.
For example, my PC and Afgann are currently at 1 tsp grow nutes/gal. I started them at 1/4, then moved them to 1/2, and now they're at 1 full tsp. They'll keep getting ramped up untill they get to somewhere around 2.5tsp/gal, but this will be guided by plant color and appearance.
 
Tead said:
I think you might be trying to stretch a rule of thumb for a soil grow into the hydroponic world. The only source of food available to a plant in a neutral medium is whatever is stored in the seed itself.
For example, my PC and Afgann are currently at 1 tsp grow nutes/gal. I started them at 1/4, then moved them to 1/2, and now they're at 1 full tsp. They'll keep getting ramped up untill they get to somewhere around 2.5tsp/gal, but this will be guided by plant color and appearance.
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When do you make the change in volume? Is this a weekly adjustment?
 
If i might be so bold as to answer alot of it has to do with watching your plants getting familiar with if they are hungry or content at the current dose or atleast that is how im doing it my current girl has been making me learn that the hard way lol
 
Tead said:
I think you might be trying to stretch a rule of thumb for a soil grow into the hydroponic world. The only source of food available to a plant in a neutral medium is whatever is stored in the seed itself.
For example, my PC and Afgann are currently at 1 tsp grow nutes/gal. I started them at 1/4, then moved them to 1/2, and now they're at 1 full tsp. They'll keep getting ramped up untill they get to somewhere around 2.5tsp/gal, but this will be guided by plant color and appearance.
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OH WAIT.
Sorry AKG... We were talking about Osmos. The Osmos don't get nutes as they're already in the mix.
 
I thought I'd take a moment to do some closeups on the Pineapple Chunk and talk a bit about her.
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She's looking so good.
The look I'm wanting is light colored veins with slightly lighter green new growth and darker green older growth.
I usually see purple veins or stems and lighter colored growth when my nutrient level is too low.
When my nutrient level is too high I see leaves with a slightly waxy appearance and darker new growth.
Another indicator is node spacing. They spread out when underfed.

Anyway... just wanted to explain myself a bit since we're chatting about it.
 
She does look good maybe a little close to too much N (i only say that cause the slight claw) but definitely not to the extreme. Seems you found a good balance i wish i could lol
 
There's that one lower right quadrant leaf that's a touch clawed... but I think it's a heat and humidity issue rather than an N issue.
Usually, when I see clawing, I see darker veins and a touch of tip burning. I see no signs of the other over-N indicators... just some very very slight leaf clawing that could be attributed to other sources.
Let's hope you're not right.... burning plants sux hard and long... but the leaf and vein colors are almost saying that she could use more. Of course, she's not a strain I'm familiar with, so let's hope it's not speaking a different language.
She's been thru 2 feedings of the 1tsp formula so far. I'd expect to do one more feeding at the 1tsp level then jump her to 1.5 on the next. I seem to top out somewhere near 2.5tsp in both veg and flower, so that's where I expect to end up.
 
Nice to see some new blood in the collection there. What will you do with the PC, top her and clone her before flowering?
I'm generally a light feeder anyway, but the PC seems to be capable of handling a full dose of nutrients, unlike most of the other strains I'm growing.
 
Tead said:
There's that one lower right quadrant leaf that's a touch clawed... but I think it's a heat and humidity issue rather than an N issue.
Usually, when I see clawing, I see darker veins and a touch of tip burning. I see no signs of the other over-N indicators... just some very very slight leaf clawing that could be attributed to other sources.
Let's hope you're not right.... burning plants sux hard and long... but the leaf and vein colors are almost saying that she could use more. Of course, she's not a strain I'm familiar with, so let's hope it's not speaking a different language.
She's been thru 2 feedings of the 1tsp formula so far. I'd expect to do one more feeding at the 1tsp level then jump her to 1.5 on the next. I seem to top out somewhere near 2.5tsp in both veg and flower, so that's where I expect to end up.
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Ya i wasn't super sure since i wasn't seeing any other signs of too much N the leaves don't seem dark enough for that yet thats why i said it doesn't seem to be to the extreme. I figured if anything the dose would be just on the verge of too much but not quite there yet. Ive noticed my sour d when i increase the strength of nutes she gets a slight claw at first but she doesn't look like N toxicity either (dark green leaves etc etc) so that's what i was thinking with your girl.
 
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