Tead's Indoor-ish, Winter, Hempy, OGK, SOG

[lexort420]

One of the things you can do is to "winterize". Take your mostly dried Qwiso and resuspend it in ethanol. Place in freezer overnnight. Some of the plant waxes will come out and harden. Then filter the ethanol and dry. Better product for sure.

You have given me a lot to think about shiggity! I wouldn't have thought to winterize the qwiso hash itself. When you say mostly dry though how much are we talking?

 

[lexort420]

So... I chat up a local on my morning run. He's headed off to dance at some shindig. He had parts of a Mardi Gras Indian costume in his hands... which is what triggered me to chat him up initially.
We have a discussion about how we're both paid to do something we enjoy and how, as New Orleanians, we both feel a need to give back to the artist community some.
It was a very nice chat... but it reminded me that I've been in the habit of avoiding the newbies asking crazy things. I decided to stick my toes back in that water this morning and I intend to visit that thread more often. Wish me luck.

If you are referring to the frequently asked questions sub forum then i totally get you. Its hard for me to bring myself to go in there, i end up seeing newbies believing that when a plant been pollenated that its pistils shrivel and retract, that they measured light on there ph meter and it said 2000, and so on and every time I cringe and at the same time i wonder how these false facts are still persisting. At the end of the day we do have to remember we all started off not really knowing squat and it would have been nice to have a little helping hand, that is what we can do for these newbies and we should be passing our knowledge so that other can benefit from this wonderful plant as well. I'll get off my soap box now lol

 

[lexort420]

I wanted to freeze mine before I jumped in... but an empty grinder put a kibosh on that concept.
I shook the bejeezus out of it to.... next I'll do it much smoother and just swish it around.

Ya just swish in a circle motion, i make mine swirl around the mason jar in a circle and it seems to provide the right amount of agitation. As soon as your liquid is nice and yellow strain it lol.

 

[ShiggityFlip]

You have given me a lot to think about shiggity! I wouldn't have thought to winterize the qwiso hash itself. When you say mostly dry though how much are we talking?

I let it evap enough to be collected in a glass pan ( I don't use heat) then redissolve in ethanol. Takes longer but is worth it. Lessens yield of course since you are removing plant waxes. But the end product is more like shatter. Still not shatter but nice.

I think I am going to do dry ice hash with my trimmings this time and dissolve in cold ethanol. Never tried it before but sounds like it would be nice.

 

[lexort420]

I let it evap enough to be collected in a glass pan ( I don't use heat) then redissolve in ethanol. Takes longer but is worth it. Lessens yield of course since you are removing plant waxes. But the end product is more like shatter. Still not shatter but nice.

I think I am going to do dry ice hash with my trimmings this time and dissolve in cold ethanol. Never tried it before but sounds like it would be nice.

Hmmmm so when you say you let evap enough to be put into a glass pan is there still liquid or is your product mostly done at that point? Sorry im usually better as a visual learner so im trying to picture this in my head. I had read a long time ago now of people making qwiso from bubble hash and it seemed to make really nice qwiso, i would love to give it a go sometime.

 

[SweetSue]

With Qwiso and Qwet the main objective is to have everything cold as possible. When I do an alcohol run I make sure to freeze the leaves and alcohol overnight. This is the attempt to keep all the chlorophyll and other water soluble nasties in frozen form. So after you have both frozen then put the frozen jar of herb in a tub with ice water and salt. Pour in the frozen alcohol and start mixing. Agitate for 15 seconds and let sit 30. Repeat several times before pouring off through a filter. You can go several minutes because the chlorophyll will take longer than usual to get into the alcohol. A second wash will give more yield at less quality.

Wow! Pages and pages on QWISO! You guys are spoiling me. I hadn't thought of the ice and salt arrangement to keep everything colder during the wash. That's brilliant Shiggity. And thank you as well for the details on swirling and resting. I'll incorporate these steps into my next batch. You're a dear.

I got into big trouble on the oil threads suggesting that one could use ISO to make CCO. It pretty much led to my being banished from all the threads but mine and Cajun's. They weren't happy with me at all, but I can only get Everclear 151, and that was a disappointment to me. I'm glad to find intrepid oil makers after my own heart. I purchased a distiller and I'll be sending my Everclear through that next time to see if I can improve the proof much.

I only ask cause I usually prefer to do littler runs myself reason being it seems easier to control so i don't get too much chlorophyll. I usually don't do more then 1/4 a pint mason jar and I put just enough alcohol in there to put the liquid 1/4-1/2 a inch above the material. I usually ended up with powder when i either A had a crap filter and little stuff got through B used isopropyl alcohol lower then 91% or C used too high of heat when double boiling. I went through a lot of trial and error when I started making qwiso because I could never find just one way to do it so i took bits from all methods i read and watched and also learned from my mistakes and made sure not to do them again lol. A small batch of qwiso usually takes me about an hour to an hour and a half to do the washand strain and double boiler and purge. I actually like doing batches using anywhere from 1-4 grams of bud i know it seems small but it seems easier to not make it turn green lol.

I can appreciate the reasoning, but with winterizing you can overcome this and make bigger batches. I'm always considering making a small batch though. This stuff is the best, and I can see myself wanting to make small batches just to see how different they taste.

By the way, I really like the idea of straining it from the wash jar through the layers of cheesecloth. Wouldn't pouring it through a fine mesh coffee filter do the job? I ask because I can see potential to lose lots of oil into the cheesecloth.

Ya just swish in a circle motion, i make mine swirl around the mason jar in a circle and it seems to provide the right amount of agitation. As soon as your liquid is nice and yellow strain it lol.

Good point. Watch for the color change.

I let it evap enough to be collected in a glass pan ( I don't use heat) then redissolve in ethanol. Takes longer but is worth it. Lessens yield of course since you are removing plant waxes. But the end product is more like shatter. Still not shatter but nice.

I think I am going to do dry ice hash with my trimmings this time and dissolve in cold ethanol. Never tried it before but sounds like it would be nice.

You will be documenting this? Like I need to ask.

SkunkPharms lets their plant material dry out in between washes and then repeat the winterizing from the beginning. I like your idea of the ice and salt bath. That'd keep everything nice and frosty.

Well, you gentlemen have given me much to think about. Tead, this is one of my favorite stops. I've noticed that although I have this long list of neglected subscriptions, I always manage to find my way here. You run a comfortable yard my friend.

I'm going to bed now. Goodnight.

 

[Tead]

Thanks SS. I've always been a fan of intelligent discussions... not so much the creator of them sometimes... but always a fan.

By the way, I really like the idea of straining it from the wash jar through the layers of cheesecloth. Wouldn't pouring it through a fine mesh coffee filter do the job? I ask because I can see potential to lose lots of oil into the cheesecloth.

I had those same thoughts and thru some reading came across the answer. Wish I could point to it, but I don't remember where I saw it.
So, this is a solvent process where you're dissolving the good stuff into the alcohol. We're not talking about chunks that can be mechanically filtered.
When I put a gummy bear in a glass of water (or wine in my case), the gummy bear melts into the liquid and is not something you can pick out....


Tough to tell... but yea... that's a green gummy melting in a glass of wine. I was trying to mix some flavors up.

 

[Tead]

If you are referring to the frequently asked questions sub forum then i totally get you. Its hard for me to bring myself to go in there, i end up seeing newbies believing that when a plant been pollenated that its pistils shrivel and retract, that they measured light on there ph meter and it said 2000, and so on and every time I cringe and at the same time i wonder how these false facts are still persisting. At the end of the day we do have to remember we all started off not really knowing squat and it would have been nice to have a little helping hand, that is what we can do for these newbies and we should be passing our knowledge so that other can benefit from this wonderful plant as well. I'll get off my soap box now lol

Yes... that's exactly what I'm referring to.
It's hard and can often lead to the longest of irritating discussions, but gotta toss a bit of love to the newbs now and then.

 

[lexort420]

Alright so i just wanted to clear up my steps lol, alright so i do use a mesh coffee filter thing before i use cheese cloth the thing is the mesh coffee filter lets a lot of little stuff through thus why i filter it through the cheese cloth. Here's a picture of what would be my first step the jar on the left would hold the bud and alcohol while i swish it around then it gets strained into the jar on the right

after that i screw on the lid with the cheese cloth underneath the ring and then from there its strained into the pyrex dish.

sorry for the lack of actual product currently out otherwise ya know lol. From my understanding of qwiso hash you wouldn't want the trichome heads getting through since they would be dead heads anyways since the goodies are in the alcohol at that point so im not really leaving oil behind, forgot to mention i squeeze the cheese cloth after straining.

 

[lexort420]

Went and reread Sue's question about the fine mesh filter and i was off base so allow me to try again lol. Cheese cloth doesn't hold liquid it allows liquid through and keeps solids back. Infact you can make greek yogurt with cheese cloth by doing something similar to how i use the cheese cloth but instead you would put the yogurt on top of the cheese cloth and stick it in the fridge and eventually the more runny stuff would drain down into the jar and what is still on top of the cheese cloth would be your greek yogurt.

 

[Happy Hemper]

The plus side of using a grinder is that when you do lose the trichomes on it and it gets caked up you can always make qwiso hash that way! Waste not want not lol. Thats what I do atleast with my grinder lol. If anything think of it as a deposit rather then a waste.

A Dry Time savings account.

 

[lexort420]

^^^^ exactly lol

 

[SweetSue]

Thanks for the visuals lexort. I've never strained through cheesecloth before so I had no idea. I can see how this would work for you. You and Shiggity have given me something to think about before I make my next batch of oil.

 

[Tead]

A Dry Time savings account.

I need to start seeing it that way instead of dipping into it so frequently.

 

[Canna Montana]

I need to slide on in here. I have found so much wonderful info this am. Thanks everyone!

 

[Tead]

Welcome along CM!
We're an obnoxious group, but we do have our moments now and then.
Oh... and yea... we'll be preaching hempy buckets at you. Sorry.... it's what we (well... I) do.

 

[Canna Montana]

Ok. I'm willing to learn. Thanks again!

 

[Tead]

And we're all more than willing to pass out words of apparent wisdom... or words of insanity, profanity, or just downright wackiness. Feel free to chat about whatever tickles your fancy.
Do you know of hempy buckets? Would you like an intro?

 

[Canna Montana]

I'd love an intro. Is it for.soil systems or soilless?

 

[Tead]

Ahhh yes.... another victim tickles the spider's web....

So yea... soiless drain to waste (DTW) hydro.
Get a bucket. Drill about a 1/4" hole about 2" up from the bottom. Fill with neutral medium of your choice... I use pure perlite. Insert plant. Water with nutes ever three(ish) days.
The overall idea is to have a small res at the bottom (hole 2" up from the bottom). When the plant roots reach the bottom, the plant kind of explodes in growth.
They're super resilient as well. I've let them accidentally dry out for a week with no real impact.

It's got quite a few benefits. You get the speed of hydro grows without doing any fancy recirculating system. I actually feel it's even a touch easier than soil grows. It's also a neutral medium... that really cuts down any bug problems..