Tead's Indoor-ish, Winter, Hempy, OGK, SOG

Photos and feeding...

Current mix:
Base:
1/8 tsp silica
1tsp epsom salt
1tsp milk

3rd + 4th gear 2.75 tsp bloom
5gal 2.75 tsp grow
2L 1tsp grow
OsmoGirl added Osmocote+ 10g to 50g total
Osmo2 added Osmocote+ 10g to 30g total


Forgot a Betty shot... bad juju.

4th Gear
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OsmoGirl
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Osmo2
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2L
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5G girl
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Busy tent
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This thread is just fantastic Tead! It has been a joy to read through and out has convinced me to add hempy grows to my list of things too try. I have already sunk a lot of time and $ into my dwc set-up so I'm going to go with that for this time around but I'm already on the lookout for containers and have added perlite to my shopping list. Thanks for doing this journal. I'll be following along. The girls are looking great!:goodjob:
 
Geez, you grow pretty trees Tead. Nice, bushy structure, just the way I like them. :Love:

Hahaha it's funny that you think this is complex i think LOS is complex lol i just can't wrap my head around that style of growing.

Ive wondered the same. I know what LOS is im just not sure where the no-till part comes in to play.

I can't believe both of you have no inkling about no-till. My primary pot just finished up its fourth run as a no-till, although the White Widow I grew in it this last run was the first to be transplanted in.

No-till is just what the name implies, no tilling of the soil. You plant the seed directly into the finish pot and let it run its life in that same pot without disturbing the soil at all. Then, when it's time to harvest you clip her right at the soil line, redress the surface with good quality vermicompost and possibly some additives and plant the next seed off to the side of the stalk. The previous root ball is left right where it was to naturally decompose and feed the soil.

My soil is a fabulous Clackamas Coot-style living organic soil mix that eliminates any worries of deficiency. It would do nicely as a water-only grow, but since I plan to run as a no-till indefinitely, I add regular drenches meant to slowly replenish the food sources for the micro herd.

My drenches are loaded with things like malted barley grain, aloe vera juice, coconut water, kelp meal, FulPower fulvic acid, humid acid, potassium silicate and lactobacillus serum.

There's a schedule, loosely followed, of drenches and possibly foliars, if I'm so inclined (I rarely am - mighty lazy here :laughtwo: ) and a community of worms that do the actual tilling for me. Did I mention I'm a lazy gardener? Those drenches pull together in a blink and zap! I'm done. Measurements don't have to be precise and drenches missed are of no real concern. It's all about relaxed gardening.

The real beauty of the system is that the longer you run them the stronger the soil becomes and the better the harvest. I can tell you that's held up as true in my own grows. Every harvest better than the last.

You wouldn't think it could be so easy, and yet that's exactly the way it's turning out. Start out with good soil, surround the plant with light, give her good water and harvest incredible buds. Minimal input of time and energy for maximum harvest.

Sit them on a SWICK after they have their roots under them and watch them take off.

Any questions? :battingeyelashes:

It took me forever to type this because I'm so tired my fingers keep hitting the wrong letters and I have to clean up my sloppy communications. Lol! I need to go to sleep here before I simply pass out at the iPad.

I'm glad I stopped though. I go a couple days without stopping and I feel like I'm seriously neglecting you. I just don't have the capacity to swing through without talking your ear off. :laughtwo: I'll stop here first thing tomorrow morning to see how the conversation went after I passed out. Can't wait to get back to my sativas that are curing in the cabinet while I'm here in Phoenix playing. They keep me awake longer. Less than two weeks now. :yahoo:
 
Hmmmm that is interesting Sue! So the old root mass doesn't make it too crowded for the new plant? Or do you allow some time to pass so the old root mass decays before you plant anything in that soil? Sorry if these are stupid questions but like I said I have no clue when it comes to organics.
 
All questions have value lexort. There's no problem with crowding at all, and I plant almost immediately, usually within a day of harvest. As an aside, B A R proved within the last year that you can grow more than one plant in a pot and they grow just as vigorously together, in fact possibly better. The old root ball will deteriorate rather quickly, particularly if one has a healthy community of worms. As it breaks down it leaves air channels and recycled nutrients in the soil matrix.

Not only that, but planting immediately means the mycorrhizal fungi attached to the original roots can immediately attach to the new seedling roots and the seedling is richer for it. The mycorrhizae grow stronger every cycle too.

The hardest part of the process is physically mixing the soil, something you only need to do once with a no-till. I used the CC-style mix and bought a kit of minerals and nutrients that made it almost sinfully easy to get the basic mix. This recipe is so wonderful that it can be used immediately, if you need to. Nothing hot in the mix at all that would require the soil to cook (sit and "ripen", for lack of a better term) before using. This is a rarity in organic soil mixes. It grows incredible plants.
 
I'm leaving this tab open so it's the first thing I'll see in the morning. Sweet. That sounds like a nice way to start the day. Now it's 5 AM. I never made it between the sheets. :laughtwo: Let me try again. :Love:
 
Since it is living soil does it ever deplete its self or do your tea drenchs pretty much keep it living indefinitely? I would probably give this a go if i could grow outdoors legally seems like it would do good outdoors. It seems almost to good to be true as far as ease goes. I like the idea of the soil not being to hot for seedlings even though you plant pretty much right after harvest. Is it even possible to burn plants in LOS?
 
Geez, you grow pretty trees Tead. Nice, bushy structure, just the way I like them. :Love:

I can't believe both of you have no inkling about no-till. My primary pot just finished up its fourth run as a no-till, although the White Widow I grew in it this last run was the first to be transplanted in.

No-till is just what the name implies, no tilling of the soil. You plant the seed directly into the finish pot and let it run its life in that same pot without disturbing the soil at all. Then, when it's time to harvest you clip her right at the soil line, redress the surface with good quality vermicompost and possibly some additives and plant the next seed off to the side of the stalk. The previous root ball is left right where it was to naturally decompose and feed the soil.

My soil is a fabulous Clackamas Coot-style living organic soil mix that eliminates any worries of deficiency. It would do nicely as a water-only grow, but since I plan to run as a no-till indefinitely, I add regular drenches meant to slowly replenish the food sources for the micro herd.

My drenches are loaded with things like malted barley grain, aloe vera juice, coconut water, kelp meal, FulPower fulvic acid, humid acid, potassium silicate and lactobacillus serum.

There's a schedule, loosely followed, of drenches and possibly foliars, if I'm so inclined (I rarely am - mighty lazy here :laughtwo: ) and a community of worms that do the actual tilling for me. Did I mention I'm a lazy gardener? Those drenches pull together in a blink and zap! I'm done. Measurements don't have to be precise and drenches missed are of no real concern. It's all about relaxed gardening.

The real beauty of the system is that the longer you run them the stronger the soil becomes and the better the harvest. I can tell you that's held up as true in my own grows. Every harvest better than the last.

You wouldn't think it could be so easy, and yet that's exactly the way it's turning out. Start out with good soil, surround the plant with light, give her good water and harvest incredible buds. Minimal input of time and energy for maximum harvest.

Sit them on a SWICK after they have their roots under them and watch them take off.

Any questions? :battingeyelashes:

It took me forever to type this because I'm so tired my fingers keep hitting the wrong letters and I have to clean up my sloppy communications. Lol! I need to go to sleep here before I simply pass out at the iPad.

I'm glad I stopped though. I go a couple days without stopping and I feel like I'm seriously neglecting you. I just don't have the capacity to swing through without talking your ear off. :laughtwo: I'll stop here first thing tomorrow morning to see how the conversation went after I passed out. Can't wait to get back to my sativas that are curing in the cabinet while I'm here in Phoenix playing. They keep me awake longer. Less than two weeks now. :yahoo:


Ya know... this all makes perfect sense to me. I grew in soil for quite a while and always incorporated my clippings and roots into new buckets. These days, I've been putting the trim into my other outdoor growing stuff. Been a fan of various composting techniques forever.
I love it. Next time I have the opportunity to implement the idea, you can sure bet I'm gonna kick those tires.

What was the LOS bit?
 
Ahhhh..... No better way to start the day than with a discussion of one of my passions carried out in Cajun Country. :battingeyelashes: :Love: I knew it was a good idea to leave this tab open. :cheesygrinsmiley:

Since it is living soil does it ever deplete its self or do your tea drenchs pretty much keep it living indefinitely? I would probably give this a go if i could grow outdoors legally seems like it would do good outdoors. It seems almost to good to be true as far as ease goes. I like the idea of the soil not being to hot for seedlings even though you plant pretty much right after harvest. Is it even possible to burn plants in LOS?

The micro herd established itself within the first three months of the initial grow. From that point on it evolves in as natural a way as one can expect within the limited confines of the containers, which is apparently quite sufficient. My job is to replenish the stores of resources that the micro community would be using, keeping in mind that the original soil base contains minerals and nutrients that'll take years to deplete even without those reinforcements. The watchword is "minimal". I add small amounts of those amendments I spoke of earlier on a somewhat regular basis to keep ahead of their needs, or at least I hope that's what I'm doing. No one knows for certain what actually goes on in the microscopic world of the no-till container.

My secondary job is to try to keep my hands out of the soil so I don't disturb the connections being made by the parts of that community that develop fine links throughout the matrix. It's definitely a "less is more" approach, hence my lack of concern about scheduling.

Conradino uses this method, with even less interference than I use with my pots, outdoors in the Italian countryside every year in one of the more exciting grows documented on the site. Outdoors you have the advantage of the broader connections of the fungi, which have been known to shuttle nutrients to plants from great distances, as well as the rest of the micro community active below our feet. If you decide to try this outdoors someday do yourself a favor and look him up for advice.

The soil mix I use is cool from the get-go and won't burn any seedlings. If you add anything hot to the mix (alfalfa, manures, etc.) you need to cook it for thirty days, but the CC-style mix, on its own, is strong enough to take a plant from seed to harvest with water only and won't burn anything. I found this recipe right as I was beginning my first grow ever and it's been one of the sweeter things that I have this site to thank for.

Ya know... this all makes perfect sense to me. I grew in soil for quite a while and always incorporated my clippings and roots into new buckets. These days, I've been putting the trim into my other outdoor growing stuff. Been a fan of various composting techniques forever.
I love it. Next time I have the opportunity to implement the idea, you can sure bet I'm gonna kick those tires.

What was the LOS bit?

After reading Lex's words, I'm guessing Living Organic Soil.

Yep! :laughtwo: Living Organic Soil. At the beginning of the first run you introduce the micro herd with a bubbled compost tea and mycorrhizae applied at the root zone of your seed or transplanted seedling and then you let them establish themselves. I think of my soil communities the way others think of their pets. Haha! I take care of them and they grow my plants for me. It's a sweet arrangement that keeps me in some of the best cannabis you can grow.

Growing in LOS enhances the terpene expressions and ramps up trichome development like nothing else. I honestly can't back up claims of improved taste since this is the only way I've grown, but my harvests are always extremely potent and the residual ash is often white when you smoke, hallmarks of a successful product. The proof is in the high and the taste, IMHO, and my soil communities exceed my expectations every grow.

It was so nice to start my day here gentlemen. I'm going to check my PMs now and get over to my own yard. I'll be seeing you both somewhere later today, I'm sure. :kisstwo: :Love:
 
Good Lordie Ms. Sue!
Thanks for the tons of info. Sorry I triggered a book... but that's why we're all here.

So, for the record... yesterday's high was 75. Tonight, a freeze warning.
I'd cover the cilantro, but I'm too lazy and it'll grow back just fine.

No apologies necessary Tead. My pleasure. :battingeyelashes: :Love:
 
A little non-photo update...

I clipped up the remaining growth of 3rd gear (about 2/3 the total mass) and put it in a drying box.
This opened an area under the bloom light for 5gal girl. She was blocking everything in the veg tent... and that was with her shoved into the corner and growing up against 2 walls. Maybe not the best timing considering the chilly weather... meh.
The veg tent is now much more acceptable. 5gal girl is looking fine. I'll giver her a good flush and replace the water with bloom nutes at next feeding (today? tomorrow? dammit!).
I've been burning some herb lately that has had time to develop smell and taste. Very citrus-y and quite enjoyable. Far from perfect, but still... quite enjoyable. Happy that some quality stuff has finally had some time to develop.
 
An observation....
So, when I grind up my own herb, I get like frickin inches of powder from a few good sized buds.
When I grind up anything I've ever purchased, I get like a light sprinkling from a quarter... and I always tend towards quality.
WTF?!?!
How does so much get lost along the way? Is it purposely removed?
It's just such a glaring contrast....

Nice to have my own little version of a snow storm!
 
An observation....
So, when I grind up my own herb, I get like frickin inches of powder from a few good sized buds.
When I grind up anything I've ever purchased, I get like a light sprinkling from a quarter... and I always tend towards quality.
WTF?!?!
How does so much get lost along the way? Is it purposely removed?
It's just such a glaring contrast....

Nice to have my own little version of a snow storm!

A lot of times commercial growers will tumble their nugs to get free kief. So they have already lost a lot of the outside crystals. Not saying that's the case here but it may be.
 
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