Tead's Indoor-ish, Winter, Hempy, OGK, SOG

Can i pick your brains rather then reading 13pages
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OH HELL YES YOU MAY..... I hate reading back like that.... yawn.
I use 2tsp in my full strength mixes. No smell... no yuk. Even used lumpy milk before. I use it with every feeding. Ran out of calmag a while back... remembered a fellow grower using baby formula for a nute source (Paddy's Way... props given)... tried milk... probably not buy calmag again between milk and epsom salt.
 
You just straight water only, or other nutes? 2%, 1%, fat free, skim, hydrogenated, powered milk?...which do you use and have you tried any others?
Oh, 2tbs to 1gal im assuming?

Ive never had the cal/mag, too poor. Ive stumbled upon eggshells for cal and epson for mag, seems to be working, i hope..i think..

Thanks for not forcing me to read, can i just stay on ur leg? ..kinda warm n comfy :laugh:
 
I don't drink milk... my sweetie does. She prefers skim. Apparently, so do the other women in my life.
I put it right in with my nutes. Silica, epsom salt, milk, grow nutes.

Got the idea from this thread long ago... [h=1]Re Veg Clone - Fed on Infant Milk Formula Only - Yes I Am Mad![/h]

I really like the eggshell idea. Thought of trying that, but wanted something quicker. Went with milk.
 
Tead said:
I really like the eggshell idea. Thought of trying that, but wanted something quicker. Went with milk.
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Karma..:party:.i now get to save you the trouble of reading my journal :)

I was expecting a much longer wait time myself. Surprisingly enough..
DankWolf907 said:
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Not having the slightest idea how many eggshells would be needed ...
Started like so
4 egg shells cooked.
1/3 of those crushed.
That ^ went into 1/2 filled gatorade bottle to steep for 24ish hr.
HALF of that liquid concoction went into bagseed 3.
Next morning, less then 24hrs later...
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Definitely need less eggshell/more water! :oops:
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Tho I often preach about hempy grows being so much like soil grows, you really bring a difference to point here.
Every little bit of whatever the plant needs has to be supplied via the nutrient regime. In a soil grow, or even many non soil grows, the medium is alive and full of "stuff". On that specific point, hempy is much more like hydro.
I make that point to extend it further. In a soil or non-soil mix that I suspected might have Ca challenges, I think amending the burned eggshell recipe into my mix would be the least I might do. I really like the idea in soil.
I don't think it plays out as effectively in the hydro arena... especially in a non-reuse system (i.e. drain to waste). I think the water pours past the shells without much time to properly break them down efficiently. While I might suspect elevated Ca levels in the res zone, I flush that res zone with every watering and feeding.

Thus explaining my attraction to milk.

Wow that was a lot of words for "I like milk". I'll ramble on forever about any old thing.
 
That was alot of words, and confused me some.. Still early morning for me:laugh:

How does nute feeding work in hydro? Hadnt thought of this.. It works in soil because of cation exchange. Organic matter being the (-) charge that nutes(+) bind to.
I don't think it plays out as effectively in the hydro arena... especially in a non-reuse system (i.e. drain to waste). I think the water pours past the shells without much time to properly break them down efficiently.
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The water doesnt drain past the eggshells, those shells sit, leaching Ca into water for 24hrs.
 
So, like you and many others. Id always assumed eggshells didnt decompose for months to years! This is partially true, because of the membrane between the inside of the shell and the yoke.
Cooking the shell dries that membrane out allowing air and water to decompose the shell.

In a frying pan would work, maybe take longer to get it all.
I, broke the shells into smaller pieces first, then threw in the oven for 20mins at 325degrees.

The more you crush the shells the faster they will decompose.
-again, i did 1 and 1/3rd shells, crushed to a mix of flour like powder and fine sand. Sat in half gatorade bottle of water for 24hrs. HALF of that poisened my plant in less then 24hrs.

You could also throw shells in dirt and have a nice steady breakdown/supply of Cal, i just dont know how much would be safe in this area.
 
sry for hijacking the master of hijacks journal
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Not a hijack at all... it's why we're all here.

I believe that I was the confused one. I was reversed and thought the point you were making with the photo was that it didn't cure a calmag def. Thanks for getting me back on track.

So... I had no idea it could be so effective. I was under the working impression that eggshells were just slower release.
I'm quite happy... this seems like the perfect way to put Ca into my osmo pots making them even more hands off.
 
I'm guessing the fat in any other milk than skim probably doesn't do any good for hydro mediums, so it's a good thing your lady buys skim! Now when I run out of CalMag, I'm going to have to start drinking skim. Yuck.

And I was thinking about how you were comparing Hempy to soil, and I think you're right on. I've almost wish that I could (successfully) add bennies to something like straight perlite, but supposedly it won't make much difference. I suppose I wouldn't be feeding the bennies anything for them to eat anyway, so would be pointless in the end?
 
I thought that milk was also a source of magnesium?
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You seriously overestimate the amount of thought I put into this move. I rely more on random bolts of good luck.
So... Mag too eh? Hmmm.... I don't look overfed on it. Color is good. Do I actually have to go lookin now? Damn it. I'll go dig.
What the hell Wease?!?! givin me work and all.
 
I've almost wish that I could (successfully) add bennies to something like straight perlite, but supposedly it won't make much difference.
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I would think logically that benes just would have much benefit in a drain to waste config. I'd think it would just keep getting washed away. Of course, we could be wrong here. I'm not aware of any hempy grows that added benes that we could point to.
 
Table 3. Distribution of milk salts between the soluble and colloidal phases.

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[TD="width: 53, align: center"]Total
[/TD]
[TD="width: 68, align: center"]Dissolved
[/TD]
[TD="width: 61, align: center"]Colloidal
[/TD]

[TD="width: 194, colspan: 3, align: center"]
(mg/100 ml of milk)​
[/TD]

[TD="width: 138"]Calcium
[/TD]
[TD="width: 53, align: center"]1320.1
[/TD]
[TD="width: 68, align: center"]51.8
[/TD]
[TD="width: 61, align: center"]80.3
[/TD]

[TD="width: 138"]Magnesium
[/TD]
[TD="width: 53, align: center"]10.8
[/TD]
[TD="width: 68, align: center"]7.9
[/TD]
[TD="width: 61, align: center"]2.9
[/TD]

[TD="width: 138"]Total phosphorus
[/TD]
[TD="width: 53, align: center"]95.8
[/TD]
[TD="width: 68, align: center"]36.3
[/TD]
[TD="width: 61, align: center"]59.6
[/TD]

[TD="width: 138"]Citrate
[/TD]
[TD="width: 53, align: center"]156.6
[/TD]
[TD="width: 68, align: center"]141.6
[/TD]
[TD="width: 61, align: center"]15.0
[/TD]
 
Re the bennies. The Cap'n and his disciples were/are huge on running bennie teas through their rockwool, which seemed to have awesome results and made for beautiful root porn.
Here we go again. Sorry
Actually, disregard this post. Nevermind. Don't read it.
 
Found a more complete listing for milk...

Typical Composition for Skim Milk Powder ​
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[TD="class: rowFormat, width: 50%"]
Lactose​
[/TD]
[TD="class: contentTableFormat, width: 50%"]
49.5 - 52.0%​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowFormat, width: 50%"]
Protein​
[/TD]
[TD="class: contentTableFormat, width: 50%"]
34.0-37.0%​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowFormat, width: 50%"]
Ash​
[/TD]
[TD="class: contentTableFormat, width: 50%"]
8.2-8.6%​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowFormat, width: 50%"]
Moisture​
[/TD]
[TD="class: contentTableFormat, width: 50%"]
3.0-4.0%​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowFormat, width: 50%"]
Fat​
[/TD]
[TD="class: contentTableFormat, width: 50%"]
0.6-1.25%​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: columnHeaderFormat, bgcolor: da6d00, colspan: 2"]
Minerals (mg/100 g)​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowFormat, width: 50%"]
Calcium​
[/TD]
[TD="class: contentTableFormat, width: 50%"]
1248.00​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowFormat, width: 50%"]
Sodium​
[/TD]
[TD="class: contentTableFormat, width: 50%"]
494.00​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowFormat, width: 50%"]
Potassium​
[/TD]
[TD="class: contentTableFormat, width: 50%"]
1674.00​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowFormat, width: 50%"]
Phosphorus​
[/TD]
[TD="class: contentTableFormat, width: 50%"]
993.00​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowFormat, width: 50%"]
Iron​
[/TD]
[TD="class: contentTableFormat, width: 50%"]
0.40​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowFormat, width: 50%"]
Magnesium​
[/TD]
[TD="class: contentTableFormat, width: 50%"]
110.00​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowFormat, width: 50%"]
Zinc​
[/TD]
[TD="class: contentTableFormat, width: 50%"]
4.08​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: columnHeaderFormat, bgcolor: da6d00, colspan: 2"]
Essential Amino Acids (g/100 g Protein)​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowFormat, width: 50%"]
Isoleucine​
[/TD]
[TD="class: contentTableFormat, width: 50%"]
2.19​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowFormat, width: 50%"]
Leucine​
[/TD]
[TD="class: contentTableFormat, width: 50%"]
3.54​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowFormat, width: 50%"]
Lysine​
[/TD]
[TD="class: contentTableFormat, width: 50%"]
2.87​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowFormat, width: 50%"]
Methionine​
[/TD]
[TD="class: contentTableFormat, width: 50%"]
0.91​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowFormat, width: 50%"]
Phenylalanine​
[/TD]
[TD="class: contentTableFormat, width: 50%"]
1.75​
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
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