Tangwena's Malawi-Style Cob Cure: Fermented Cannabis

[Tennessee Tim]

hey 420nak8! i just realized you said you are interested in making fpj with cannabis for human ingestion! VERY interesting! I would love to hear what your research finds about that. The cobs method of cannabis fermentation is fairly simple and works well! I wonder if a "mash"was made, would the right organisms be likely to be present naturally that could transform it into a usable product and not a poison or noxious substance, or if a particular critter needs to be supplied.hmmm

 

[420nak8]

I have been growing food and pot organic for decades.It makes me feel better to know where everything came from before it goes in me! Bode said it right! If you boil it, it is dead. Besides the worms love it and they increase the bio activity in a good way balancing the process. Zymurgy(the art/science of fermentation) is fascinating and vastly complex! Many wonderful uses but also can be deadly. I love to make my cobs now, to go along with my home brew, wine, spirits,sourdough bread culture and not to leave out my fermented pickles and yogurt! I keep it simple in all my processes and think how to make the bio organisms desired happy. Soil building is my thing! Living healthy soils are full of what supports both the plants desired and the good fungi and bacteria! Using "teas" of compost is very effective to boost a deficient plant. supply the plant plentiful living compost and the tea is unneeded! At any rate, be nice to your microbial friends and they will do good things for you! Building colonies that will be viable when applied topically is still somewhat dependent on what it lands on and the surface conditions. Finally, my point is. Propagation of bio soups can be unpredictable in final results without tried and true methodology and the loss in viability upon application can be high without"kindly" soil and other surface conditions to receive and nourish those new arrivals. When you have plenty of compost you don't need compost teas,they are growing in it! The real job is feeding the compost pile to meet your needs! Some brewed bio teas are fed to my compost piles,but seldom to my plants. Anyway, the plants take what they need when planted in comfortable live soil and thrive, with no heavy metals, harsh salts and unknown substances that may contaminate or be part of the chemical industrial products used by many.Happy to hear of another zymurgist, composter or bio farmer out there spreading quality foods and medicine to the world.

I don't think you realy get what I am planing to do. I am making this fpj not for my plants or anything to do with my growing. I am making this fpj with top grade a cannabis flowers that I have grown organicaly my self. For my self and my wife to use as an etible medicine. It is an experiment that I will be trying with some of my harvest soon.
I am not puting this fpj into a compost or using as a foliar. I am making a firmented cannabis juice to eat. The living microbial colonies continuing to living are not a concern for this fpj as I am not using it to grow. It will be used as a medicine, so insuring the cannabinoids have been fully activated is important, that is why I will boil it.

 

[420nak8]

hey 420nak8! i just realized you said you are interested in making fpj with cannabis for human ingestion! VERY interesting! I would love to hear what your research finds about that. The cobs method of cannabis fermentation is fairly simple and works well! I wonder if a "mash"was made, would the right organisms be likely to be present naturally that could transform it into a usable product and not a poison or noxious substance, or if a particular critter needs to be supplied.hmmm

Lol now some one got it. I was begining to wonder if I was not atualy typing what I though I was hahaha.

 

[nickeluring]

I am sure I will be amazed as well. I haven't been able to find any cannabis that would get me high in over 2 years due to the tolerance I have built up. Even after taking long breaks I can basicaly only get a high feeling once and that only lasts 15-30 min. So finding this post I have a feeling will be the answer to mine and my wifes dreams, she also has a very hard time to get any high.
I had an idea the other day that was actualy the reason that I found this thread. I grow in 100% organic notill soil and use firmented plant juice (fpj) as a foliar spray. As I was making fpj the other day I though, I wonder if I made an fpj with cannabis flower and boild it after firmentation to decarb if that would work so I did a search for firmented cannabis and found you and your amazing troup. I will be trying the fpj experiment with some bud from my harvest that is coming up and will definatly post any results.
I saw a post earlier on about cobing CBD but haven't got to the point that any one has done it and has tried it. Has any one tried and tested CBD cobs? If so how did they turn out.

Hiya, we seem to be in a similar place tolerance wise. For me the cobs are what gives me the best buzz, so you can expect that. It'll be way smoother to inhale than your regular buds - it's good stuff!
However, you'll still keep trying to get that high that you're looking for. The last couple of days I've realised that less is more for me. I'm now on my 9th day of low consumption, and I get a better buzz from a little hit now than I got from smoking a full pure joint 10 days ago. I had 3 puffs from a pure joint this morning and I had a wonderful buzz for a few hours. Of course not totally wasted or anything like that but a very pleasant high.
I think my over consumption over the past few years has made my CB1 receptors to go into hiding. This low consumption I have now seem to make the receptors peek out of their hiding place.
There's a thread here somewhere about resetting the tolerance level, and I can now see how that technique will work. If you want to be able to get high again I recommend you spending a week and follow the instructions. I recommend this even though I haven't tried this myself, but others state it has helped them with their tolerance levels. I was planning on doing this myself, but it's too hard when I'm not at home. Besides, it seems I'm getting there anyway by the end of these 6 weeks.
I'll try to find that thread...

 

[nickeluring]

Here it is:
Resetting the tolerance levels

 

[420nak8]

Here it is:
Resetting the tolerance levels

Thank you. I have tried tolerance breaks in the past for varying lengths of time that have always ended up the same. I am able to get a buzz the first couple times I smoke but that quickly goes away. I think it has alot to do with ADD, my brain just uses the canabinoids to function normaly.
I actualy am thinking that the cobing prosess may actualy actvate a canabinoid that is only activated through firmenting. I just have this sneaky fealing that this process is activating a cannabinoid that is very similar to DMT only much more long lasting.

 

[nickeluring]

Thank you. I have tried tolerance breaks in the past for varying lengths of time that have always ended up the same. I am able to get a buzz the first couple times I smoke but that quickly goes away. I think it has alot to do with ADD, my brain just uses the canabinoids to function normaly.
I actualy am thinking that the cobing prosess may actualy actvate a canabinoid that is only activated through firmenting. I just have this sneaky fealing that this process is activating a cannabinoid that is very similar to DMT only much more long lasting.

Hmmm, unfortunately I don't think you should expect the cobs to be anything like DMT. It's not. People talk about psychedelic experiences when eating cob, but I haven't experienced any of that, and definitely not like DMT. My tolerance level stops me from feeling anything when eating cobs. I once tried eating 2.7 grams but felt close to nothing, and I was smoking and vaping the whole time as well. But it might be a different story when I get back in 5 weeks...
Anyway, I hope it'll be different for you and your wife.
And nice plants you've got going

 

[420nak8]

Hmmm, unfortunately I don't think you should expect the cobs to be anything like DMT. It's not. People talk about psychedelic experiences when eating cob, but I haven't experienced any of that, and definitely not like DMT. My tolerance level stops me from feeling anything when eating cobs. I once tried eating 2.7 grams but felt close to nothing, and I was smoking and vaping the whole time as well. But it might be a different story when I get back in 5 weeks...
Anyway, I hope it'll be different for you and your wife.
And nice plants you've got going

I hope so to. And thanks. This grow has been my best one so far.

 

[SweetSue]

Thank you. I have tried tolerance breaks in the past for varying lengths of time that have always ended up the same. I am able to get a buzz the first couple times I smoke but that quickly goes away. I think it has alot to do with ADD, my brain just uses the canabinoids to function normaly.
I actualy am thinking that the cobing prosess may actualy actvate a canabinoid that is only activated through firmenting. I just have this sneaky fealing that this process is activating a cannabinoid that is very similar to DMT only much more long lasting.

It’d be a cannabinoid doing a bit of unexpected signaling, which wouldn’t surprise me.

There’s much we don’t understand about the cobbing process, but we do know to expect it to potentiate the bud material. Your experiment to make fpj for dosing is intriguing, to say the least. I’d like to be kept in the loop about that, if you don’t mind.

You may be dealing with absorption challenges. There can be a genetic predisposition to slow absorption, or your gut may need special attention. Regardless, the cobs will give you a new perspective.

And you’re gonna give us a new look at cannabis medicines. Interesting.....

 

[SweetSue]

Anyone doing cobs of CBD-dominant buds?

 

[420nak8]

It’d be a cannabinoid doing a bit of unexpected signaling, which wouldn’t surprise me.

There’s much we don’t understand about the cobbing process, but we do know to expect it to potentiate the bud material. Your experiment to make fpj for dosing is intriguing, to say the least. I’d like to be kept in the loop about that, if you don’t mind.

You may be dealing with absorption challenges. There can be a genetic predisposition to slow absorption, or your gut may need special attention. Regardless, the cobs will give you a new perspective.

And you’re gonna give us a new look at cannabis medicines. Interesting.....

I am thinking for the fpj I will need to get some vacume lids for mason jars so that I can avoid mould or contamination but that shouldn't be to hard.
I have a very good feeling that the cobs are going to be just what my wife and I need. And lately most of my good feelings have been right.
My mind has been racing light speed since finding you and your gang of cobers with all sorts of ideas of things to try. Like adding mint leaves and I beleave others have mentioned using other spices and things to impart taste and terpiens.
I am also planing on growing some anciant wild tobacco seeds to use the leaves as a wrap for a cob, or even to use it in side of a husk, like anwrap within a wrap. This I think will impart nicotine into the cob and I think that could change the experiance dramaticaly. I am not a ciggaret smoker but I don't mind nicotine or the plain tobacco leaf without all the additives that make it so deadly. I would also firment and cure the tobacco leaf and I could than use the tobaco leaf as a blunt wrap. That is assuming I am able to unwrap the cob from the tobacco lol.
I also have plans to take one of my cobs after it is well aged and make an infused cannabutter with it. I think I will call it 6D butter.... cause it will bring you to the 6th dimention.
Plans for the very distant futer include the purchase of a short path distalation kit to see if I can distill and make a near pure cob distilate. I can only imagin what wonders a person would see after ingesting that.
But I am a bit of psychonaut, so something like that may not quite be legal in this dimention.
I would love to keep you and any one else interested informed. Although I should worn that I always have big plans but often fincial matters prevent them form coming to fruition. But I will add that I feel a positive shift coming on in my life so we will see what I can manifest.

 

[tangwena]

Hi Sue some Zamaldelica buds and the cob I am sampling made from them 2 years ago and they are still moist and you can cut them with a finger nail or knife.
Smells like fermented pine hashish and kicks my head into a cartoon world for the whole day.
I just chewed the 2 smallest pieces the tiny ones in the pic and my ears are ringing LOUD already ha ha.

 

[SweetSue]

Hi Sue some Zamaldelica buds and the cob I am sampling made from them 2 years ago and they are still moist and you can cut them with a finger nail or knife.
Smells like fermented pine hashish and kicks my head into a cartoon world for the whole day.
I just chewed the 2 smallest pieces the tiny ones in the pic and my ears are ringing LOUD already ha ha.

Here you are, making me miss being home.

I take great comfort in hearing things like “these cobs store like a dream.”

 

[Tennessee Tim]

I am thinking for the fpj I will need to get some vacume lids for mason jars so that I can avoid mould or contamination but that shouldn't be to hard.
I have a very good feeling that the cobs are going to be just what my wife and I need. And lately most of my good feelings have been right.
My mind has been racing light speed since finding you and your gang of cobers with all sorts of ideas of things to try. Like adding mint leaves and I beleave others have mentioned using other spices and things to impart taste and terpiens.
I am also planing on growing some anciant wild tobacco seeds to use the leaves as a wrap for a cob, or even to use it in side of a husk, like anwrap within a wrap. This I think will impart nicotine into the cob and I think that could change the experiance dramaticaly. I am not a ciggaret smoker but I don't mind nicotine or the plain tobacco leaf without all the additives that make it so deadly. I would also firment and cure the tobacco leaf and I could than use the tobaco leaf as a blunt wrap. That is assuming I am able to unwrap the cob from the tobacco lol.
I also have plans to take one of my cobs after it is well aged and make an infused cannabutter with it. I think I will call it 6D butter.... cause it will bring you to the 6th dimention.
Plans for the very distant futer include the purchase of a short path distalation kit to see if I can distill and make a near pure cob distilate. I can only imagin what wonders a person would see after ingesting that.
But I am a bit of psychonaut, so something like that may not quite be legal in this dimention.
I would love to keep you and any one else interested informed. Although I should worn that I always have big plans but often fincial matters prevent them form coming to fruition. But I will add that I feel a positive shift coming on in my life so we will see what I can manifest.

Love your enthusiastic spirit! I have a high tolerance as well and will tell you I don't get blown away eating or smoking cobs, but it is enhanced a bit, tasty, milder and pleasant to smoke and not bad to eat! Somewhat like pleasant mild tasting hashish to me. BUT let me caution you about playing around with nicotiana plants! Nicotine is a very deadly poison! The extract from a few cigarettes applied dermal, on your arms or legs for example, can kill an adult man! It is less acute ingested by inhalation than any other method, the reverse of most toxins! Nicotine sulfate was removed from the market some years ago, because of it's killing so many agricultural workers just by them getting it on their skin while working in freshly sprayed crops. Oral requires more milligrams to kill as well(but not a lot more), inhaled two cigarettes won't kill you , QUICKLY! it takes more, and a lot longer. Never the less, the fact remains however one ingest tobacco/nicotine it is a toxic poison! I am a former smoker, how stupid of me to waste my health on tobacco, that does not get me high or help my AR, only kills and disables. Do yourself a favor and grow tobacco only as an ornamental! Some varieties are very pretty! Just like a black widow. But please keep up the spirit of research and experimentation and stay positive and greet the new days ahead each as a gift to give you another day to search for more understanding and accomplishments!

 

[420nak8]

Love your enthusiastic spirit! I have a high tolerance as well and will tell you I don't get blown away eating or smoking cobs, but it is enhanced a bit, tasty, milder and pleasant to smoke and not bad to eat! Somewhat like pleasant mild tasting hashish to me. BUT let me caution you about playing around with nicotiana plants! Nicotine is a very deadly poison! The extract from a few cigarettes applied dermal, on your arms or legs for example, can kill an adult man! It is less acute ingested by inhalation than any other method, the reverse of most toxins! Nicotine sulfate was removed from the market some years ago, because of it's killing so many agricultural workers just by them getting it on their skin while working in freshly sprayed crops. Oral requires more milligrams to kill as well(but not a lot more), inhaled two cigarettes won't kill you , QUICKLY! it takes more, and a lot longer. Never the less, the fact remains however one ingest tobacco/nicotine it is a toxic poison! I am a former smoker, how stupid of me to waste my health on tobacco, that does not get me high or help my AR, only kills and disables. Do yourself a favor and grow tobacco only as an ornamental! Some varieties are very pretty! Just like a black widow. But please keep up the spirit of research and experimentation and stay positive and greet the new days ahead each as a gift to give you another day to search for more understanding and accomplishments!

Thank you. I did not know that about nicotine, I thought the nicotine was harmless and it was all the other stuff that made ciggarets so bad. I will be staying away from the tobacco period than. I have no need for growing plants that I will not use, ther are so many beautiful plants that I can use why grow any just to look at lol.

 

[OverGrower]

I grow Nicotiana Rustica varieties, such as Hoppi and Aztec tobaccos, and they're much much higher in nicotine than modern hybridized burley or Virginia tobaccos. 10-13% nicotine as compared to burley having a typical 1-3% nicotine. ONE decent sized hit held in for 2-3 seconds will actually make you hallucinate. Yes, hallucinate.
Nicotine spray is still hands down the best insecticide, but if you get 50+ mg of nicotine on your skin, you're in for the worst overdose you've ever experienced in your life. 500mg of nicotine will make you hallucinate, sweat, and feel like you're overdosing/having a heart attack for 12+ hours straight, and I mean like Alice in Wonderland level extremely uncomfortable convulsion-level hallucinating!

You have to soak approximately 1 pound of dried tobacco leaf to get 1 gram worth of nicotine in a tea/liquid, for reference. With nicotiana varieties, less than half that at times. Lady nicotine is to be respected. Don't recommend at all smoking very high nicotine with cannabis.

 

[DrDoob]

Anyone doing cobs of CBD-dominant buds?

In the next week or two I will be cobbing the Candida clone from Shed. You’ll get to try it in September.

 

[Tennessee Tim]

I grow Nicotiana Rustica varieties, such as Hoppi and Aztec tobaccos, and they're much much higher in nicotine than modern hybridized burley or Virginia tobaccos. 10-13% nicotine as compared to burley having a typical 1-3% nicotine. ONE decent sized hit held in for 2-3 seconds will actually make you hallucinate. Yes, hallucinate.
Nicotine spray is still hands down the best insecticide, but if you get 50+ mg of nicotine on your skin, you're in for the worst overdose you've ever experienced in your life. 500mg of nicotine will make you hallucinate, sweat, and feel like you're overdosing/having a heart attack for 12+ hours straight, and I mean like Alice in Wonderland level extremely uncomfortable convulsion-level hallucinating!

You have to soak approximately 1 pound of dried tobacco leaf to get 1 gram worth of nicotine in a tea/liquid, for reference. With nicotiana varieties, less than half that at times. Lady nicotine is to be respected. Don't recommend at all smoking very high nicotine with cannabis.

If you survive exposure to 500mg nicotine dermal you have been fortunate! Less will kill many people! PLAYING AROUND WITH POTENTIAL LETHAL TOXINS IS NOT SMART, PERIOD. Homemade nicotine bug sprays have produced fatal accidents! Many poisons we consider dangerous are safer to use than nicotine. If you want to hallucinate, use LSD, it is far safer. Better, smoke some pot and enjoy life.

 

[OverGrower]

Nicotine per mg is the most poisonous natural chemical. The rule of making the pesticide is getting NONE on the skin. Agreed.

 

[420nak8]

I grow Nicotiana Rustica varieties, such as Hoppi and Aztec tobaccos, and they're much much higher in nicotine than modern hybridized burley or Virginia tobaccos. 10-13% nicotine as compared to burley having a typical 1-3% nicotine. ONE decent sized hit held in for 2-3 seconds will actually make you hallucinate. Yes, hallucinate.
Nicotine spray is still hands down the best insecticide, but if you get 50+ mg of nicotine on your skin, you're in for the worst overdose you've ever experienced in your life. 500mg of nicotine will make you hallucinate, sweat, and feel like you're overdosing/having a heart attack for 12+ hours straight, and I mean like Alice in Wonderland level extremely uncomfortable convulsion-level hallucinating!

You have to soak approximately 1 pound of dried tobacco leaf to get 1 gram worth of nicotine in a tea/liquid, for reference. With nicotiana varieties, less than half that at times. Lady nicotine is to be respected. Don't recommend at all smoking very high nicotine with cannabis.

Thank you so much I want every one to know right now that this thread has literaly just saved two lives. By the sounds of this I would have unintentionaly gave my wife and I an extream overdose of nicotine. Thank you I am more glad that I found this place and not some other place that had the same info with less informative members. Thank you all for keeping this wonderful thread going.