SweetSue's Cannabis Oil Study Hall

How pleased am I nivek, to learn that you and the lovely wife are daily partaking of that lovely oil. :hugs: :hugs: :Love:

It truly is a delightful endeavor, this crafting of our own oils. The pride in a finely-worked sheen of concentrated goodness is so sweet, eh? You've learned well, lab rat. Proud I am. :battingeyelashes: :green_heart:

I agree with your assessments of the uses for the different grades. Sometimes, when I make capsules, I want all that material in there. It's a bit trickier to get it all the right consistency to more easily get into the capsules, but I find ways. There's always the option to spread it on toast, as you and the misses do.

And I understand the reluctance to use such a lovely oil for recreational use, but isn't recreational just another name for medication? I'm of the opinion that we're medicating with every hit. Enjoy the hell out of it, as though you need any encouragement. Lol!

Study something as intensively as I do these subjects and after a while your brain begins to translate and apply. Then the filing drawers are more useful for instant recall. It's a gift I've trained over decades nivek. It's mostly born of a tenacious curiosity.
 
cheers and thanks sue,, this one for you,,

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p.s.,, haha, just noticed,, spread it on toast, as we do,, ha,, not exactly,, we actually put said drop of oil on the tiniest piece of paper towel, fold once,, "toast each other" with said tiny piece of oiled paper towel,, then down the hatch chased by a swig o beer,, honey brown to be exact
 
Hahaha! That's delightful! Went right over my blonde head, didn't it? Lol!

It's actually one of the accepted ways to put a drop on a piece of bread and rest it under the tongue. Haha! Hence the confusion.
 
To everyone using leaves, I've just posted some info on my thread that might help someone.

It might tie into using essential oils for members using leaves and help out?

If you're fighting cancer or the like & just juicing, read it soon.
 
With talk of alcohol and oil I thought I'd share an experience I had. I once made a tincture with Everclear (dried, cured buds but not decarbed) and then reacted negatively to the alcohol. In an attempt to salvage it I put the entire 3/4 quart of tincture in a double boiler with about a 1/2 cup coconut oil and slowly evaporated out the alcohol. It tasted liked absolute garbage but boy oh boy was it concentrated. I kid you not 1/64th of a teaspoon was enough for a solid buzz. 1/32nd of a teaspoon and I wished I had taken less and couldn't stay out of the food pantry if my life depended on it. :laughtwo:

I have no idea how many cannabinoids survived all the processing, but I thought I'd share in case anyone else ever had the need to remove alcohol. It can be done. :tokin:
 
Fuzznutter said:
With talk of alcohol and oil I thought I'd share an experience I had. I once made a tincture with Everclear (dried, cured buds but not decarbed) and then reacted negatively to the alcohol. In an attempt to salvage it I put the entire 3/4 quart of tincture in a double boiler with about a 1/2 cup coconut oil and slowly evaporated out the alcohol. It tasted liked absolute garbage but boy oh boy was it concentrated. I kid you not 1/64th of a teaspoon was enough for a solid buzz. 1/32nd of a teaspoon and I wished I had taken less and couldn't stay out of the food pantry if my life depended on it. :laughtwo:

I have no idea how many cannabinoids survived all the processing, but I thought I'd share in case anyone else ever had the need to remove alcohol. It can be done. :tokin:
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I like this idea. I think I'll try it with a couple tinctures I have that I can't stand the tast of. I'm not one for alcohol.

Fuzz, you are brilliant! Helped inspire me to salvage what I was beginning to think was lost for good. :high-five:
 
Fuzznutter said:
With talk of alcohol and oil I thought I'd share an experience I had. I once made a tincture with Everclear (dried, cured buds but not decarbed) and then reacted negatively to the alcohol. In an attempt to salvage it I put the entire 3/4 quart of tincture in a double boiler with about a 1/2 cup coconut oil and slowly evaporated out the alcohol. It tasted liked absolute garbage but boy oh boy was it concentrated. I kid you not 1/64th of a teaspoon was enough for a solid buzz. 1/32nd of a teaspoon and I wished I had taken less and couldn't stay out of the food pantry if my life depended on it. :laughtwo:

I have no idea how many cannabinoids survived all the processing, but I thought I'd share in case anyone else ever had the need to remove alcohol. It can be done. :tokin:
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FuzzNutI like this idea. May i will put some on blotter and drop it!
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FuzzNut this brew with the fresh herb and 151 actually tastes not too bad after short soaking. Maybe the dried bud tincture has worse flavor. In this photo there is about one plant , about one lb chopped up and decarbed in oven at 140 for one hour in turkey bag then mixed with two liters of 151. My SO and I had half a teaspoon each and were feeling groovy baby. I may soak it overnight and give it a good mashing every so often then strain back into bottles. I want to try your reduction method but not sure how to measure it.

DO you think the 1/64 tsp would work as a starting point for someone with low tolerance? I know some folks have the math down to milligrams of 90-99% CCO for dosing. IF my memory serves, some recommend even 1-5 milligram of CCO for beginners dose. A long way from the 1000mg per day goal for cancer. 15 milligrams of the 'blotter' must be about the rough equivalent of 7mg of CCO..or roughly 50% pure canibanoids and terpines

1 teaspoon = 4 grams one gram =1000milligrams so 1/64 teaspoon = 15.6 milligrams in a syringe for dosing?

Maybe just dunk a finger into the jar up to the first knuckle and give it a suck. That should do it!
 
gudyul said:
FuzzNut this brew with the fresh herb and 151 actually tastes not too bad after short soaking. Maybe the dried bud tincture has worse flavor. In this photo there is about one plant , about one lb chopped up and decarbed in oven at 140 for one hour in turkey bag then mixed with two liters of 151. My SO and I had half a teaspoon each and were feeling groovy baby. I may soak it overnight and give it a good mashing every so often then strain back into bottles. I want to try your reduction method but not sure how to measure it.

DO you think the 1/64 tsp would work as a starting point for someone with low tolerance? I know some folks have the math down to milligrams of 90-99% CCO for dosing. IF my memory serves, some recommend even 1-5 milligram of CCO for beginners dose. A long way from the 1000mg per day goal for cancer. 15 milligrams of the 'blotter' must be about the rough equivalent of 7mg of CCO..or roughly 50% pure canibanoids and terpines

1 teaspoon = 4 grams one gram =1000milligrams so 1/64 teaspoon = 15.6 milligrams in a syringe for dosing?

Maybe just dunk a finger into the jar up to the first knuckle and give it a suck. That should do it!
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I'm sorry, I have no idea what dose to recommend. How strong it will be depends on how concentrated the tincture was to start and how much oil is used. The more oil, the lower the concentration and vice versa. My tincture jar was stuffed full of bud and sat for MONTHS forgotten on a shelf. I only used a 1/2 cup oil because I didn't know if it would work and didn't want to waste a bunch of expensive coconut oil. I just winged the whole thing and had to experiment to find what dose worked for me. :sorry:
 
SweetSue said:
I like this idea. I think I'll try it with a couple tinctures I have that I can't stand the tast of. I'm not one for alcohol.

Fuzz, you are brilliant! Helped inspire me to salvage what I was beginning to think was lost for good. :high-five:
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Unfortunately, the taste will NOT improve with the addition of oil. The alcohol evaporates off but leaves behind that tincture flavor. It's bleh.
 
I have a friend who's daughter has been suffering from epilepsy for 13 years. Lives in a state with limited CBD laws, but luckily is part pf a GWS pham CBD study. They have not been taught anything about the ECS as far as I can tell and are just giving CBD and no other supplements. They are not seeing a big improvement. Anyone helping epileptics and how are you treating them? :circle-of-love::peace:
 
I think the tincture would be beneficial for an alcoholic especially if it were the only thing in the house to drink. I would never recommend tincture to a recovering alki . I believe , mostly from experience, that any cannabis consumed by an intoxicated binge drinker is going to help that person to slow down on the drink and get something to eat before napping.. What better method of delivery than in alcohol? Maybe keep a half pint of watered down tincture laying around? It may be the window to a better drug of choice.

On second thought that might work both directions... I deviate from the topic which is cannabis oil.

I evaporated a half pint of the 151 tincture at room temp and when it was almost evaporated ( 4 days) with little black blobs and greenish residue on the dish, I scratched it up on a butter knife into a blackish dark green blob and then tried to reduce it into some coco nut oil on the stove top. the coconut oil slowly turned green but the blobs still where in the mix and would not melt but wanted to stick back to the butter knife. the blob was now smaller in size but turned more burnt brown and crunchy like burnt sugar. I think the blob was left overs from the rum and vegetable matter which were somehow attracted to each other and the knife tip. Anyway the resulting green oil was was emptied into the massage oil jar and rendered inedible ( cannabis compounds mixed with oregano, neam, olive oil) . I did get to lick the pan though and it did have a kick to it.:cough:
 
supergroomer said:
I have a friend who's daughter has been suffering from epilepsy for 13 years. Lives in a state with limited CBD laws, but luckily is part pf a GWS pham CBD study. They have not been taught anything about the ECS as far as I can tell and are just giving CBD and no other supplements. They are not seeing a big improvement. Anyone helping epileptics and how are you treating them? :circle-of-love::peace:
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This is a challenging one supergroomer. The data is so limited and the experience in the community just as limited, as far as I can see. I'd recommend they check out a site called pediatric cannabis therapy. Some of the best information I've come across. Google that title and all sorts of lovely stuff pops up. Dr. Bonni Goldstein has made it her mission to educate about her experience with pediatric epilepsy and cannabinoid therapies.

Whole plant extractions are much more desirable than some isolated synthetic component. This should be the standard. How frustrating!

The prevailing opinion appears to be a CBD:THC ratio of at least 8:1 for seizure control and a certain portion of the patient population requires the presence of THC. Considering what we're learning about the entourage effect does this really surprise anyone?

Hopefully someone with actual experience with treating epilepsy will step forward and offer you some solid guidance. I wish you a happy resolution to the challenge. :circle-of-love:
 
AKgramma said:
I tried making a mixed drink with a tincture, using orange juice. Did one with cola, too. Both worked well, and the taste was not that bad, even with diet coke.
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I'm curious, what do you make your tinctures with? I added some of my DDA VG tincture to my coffee tonight and it was marvelous.

gudyul said:
I think the tincture would be beneficial for an alcoholic especially if it were the only thing in the house to drink. I would never recommend tincture to a recovering alki . I believe , mostly from experience, that any cannabis consumed by an intoxicated binge drinker is going to help that person to slow down on the drink and get something to eat before napping.. What better method of delivery than in alcohol? Maybe keep a half pint of watered down tincture laying around? It may be the window to a better drug of choice.

On second thought that might work both directions... I deviate from the topic which is cannabis oil.

I evaporated a half pint of the 151 tincture at room temp and when it was almost evaporated ( 4 days) with little black blobs and greenish residue on the dish, I scratched it up on a butter knife into a blackish dark green blob and then tried to reduce it into some coco nut oil on the stove top. the coconut oil slowly turned green but the blobs still where in the mix and would not melt but wanted to stick back to the butter knife. the blob was now smaller in size but turned more burnt brown and crunchy like burnt sugar. I think the blob was left overs from the rum and vegetable matter which were somehow attracted to each other and the knife tip. Anyway the resulting green oil was was emptied into the massage oil jar and rendered inedible ( cannabis compounds mixed with oregano, neam, olive oil) . I did get to lick the pan though and it did have a kick to it.:cough:
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So this batch was meant for massage oil? I'm glad you got a sample lick. :laughtwo: "Leave no cannabinoid behind" has always been my own motto.

You may be right about the blob, but CCO is some of the stickiest stuff on the planet, and near impossible to remove without more ethanol. Lol! I'm still searching for some implement I can use to work with CCO that it won't stick to.

How much of a kick gudyul?
 
SweetSue said:
This is a challenging one supergroomer. The data is so limited and the experience in the community just as limited, as far as I can see. I'd recommend they check out a site called pediatric cannabis therapy. Some of the best information I've come across. Google that title and all sorts of lovely stuff pops up. Dr. Bonni Goldstein has made it her mission to educate about her experience with pediatric epilepsy and cannabinoid therapies.

Whole plant extractions are much more desirable than some isolated synthetic component. This should be the standard. How frustrating!

The prevailing opinion appears to be a CBD:THC ratio of at least 8:1 for seizure control and a certain portion of the patient population requires the presence of THC. Considering what we're learning about the entourage effect does this really surprise anyone?

Hopefully someone with actual experience with treating epilepsy will step forward and offer you some solid guidance. I wish you a happy resolution to the challenge. :circle-of-love:
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This is what the Stanley Brothers & the Charlotte's Web popularity is all about.
If your not familiar with Green Refugees, it's the 100's of families that have moved to Colorado to find treatment (& grow) using cannabis for their child with epilepsy.

Colorado & it's physicians that use cannabis as a treatment for child epilepsy have been pretty good at it for awhile.
Look up the contact I sent.

I definitely believe you should steer clear of any specific treatment advice on this subject & anyone offering it on any social media site.
None of these doctors are publicly publishing specific treatment info that i know of.
Not finding it on the internet doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
There are 100's of families going through this & using cannabis as the treatment.
Hell, even most of the cannabis documentaries are about this subject.
The Vice channel has an entire episode about it on Weediquette.

Treatment for children...
Treatment for a child's epilepsy with cannabis has seen great results in real life, but is a very specialized field.
Mainly, due to the children, but also because the majority of succeses using mostly CBD if not 100% CBD.

The majority of larger cities here that are getting the Green Refugees, have had to change lots of stuff to accompany them. It's a pretty big deal & subject here.

The way overwhelming majority of out of state ppl who have relocated here to grow or use cannabis medically are parents that have a child with epilepsy.
Some cities are giving them special assistance.

Anyway, start there. You'll get to talk to an experienced, licensed doctor soon enough.

There's no other place in the world legally treating so many children with epilepsy.

I really wish the family well.
This is the toughest subject in medicinal cannabis. The parents are freakin' troopers though.
They sell everything they own to head out here to treat their babies.

If you can't find a contact soon, let it be known.
 
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