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gudyul said:
...Nobody seems to think those three things , lipids, wax n chlorophyll are good for anything medicinal.
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Pretty good reasons for that.
It's not opinions, it's science.
 
Ha! That reminded me of the statement that everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but not to their own facts.
 
Chlorophyll does have many health benefits , just don't think there would be enough in the oil dosages to make a significant difference and then you are just diluting your CCO with unnecessary compounds.
 
Guess I'll just have to trust the forum gurus on that one heh heh.

I was mostly trying to get away from having to handle something with the consistency of pine pitch CCO . I will try adding olive oil in the tincture reduction stage (I vaguely remember something about a saturation point for cooking olive oil , maybe something Grey Wolf wrote) The final mix may be some sort of unscientific slurry that is easier to handle than pitch

Rosin extraction reduced to oral meds may be too fussy compared to chopping up a raw cannabis plant and soaking it in alcohol (RSO Style).

I realize that the whole point behind a clean COO extraction is to get rid of those three things that may give the patient an upset stomach. I suppose that would depend on the patient and how and when they are ingesting the final product. Maybe establish a tolerance to Chlorophyll as well.
 
Googled this ( my bad) :

Chlorophyll benefits include helping fight cancer, improving liver detoxification, speeding up wound healing, improving digestion and weight control, and protecting skin health. The primary reason chlorophyll is considered a superfood is because of its strong antioxidant and anticancer effects.

I was mostly trying to get away from having to handle something with the consistency of pine pitch CCO . I will try adding olive oil in the tincture reduction stage (I vaguely remember something about a saturation point for cooking olive oil , maybe something Grey Wolf wrote) The final mix may be some sort of unscientific slurry that is easier to handle than pitch

I'm thinking that rosin extraction reduced to oral meds may be too fussy compared to chopping up a raw cannabis plant and soaking it in alcohol (RSO Style).

I realize that the whole point behind a clean COO extraction ( other than dabbing) is to get rid of those things that may give the patient an upset stomach. I suppose that would depend on the patient and how and when they are ingesting the final product. Maybe establish a tolerance to Chlorophyll as well.
 
Many patients ingesting CCO for treatments are doing so with already compromised immune systems, and one can safely assume to some extent this stress is being reflected in the digestive system. I fully understand the desire to get the meds as pure as possible. If a need for chlorophyll is established it can be supplemented some other way.

This is just my opinion, working from gut instinct.
 
This is just my opinion, working from gut instinct.
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Nice pun, Sue!

I realize that the whole point behind a clean COO extraction ( other than dabbing) is to get rid of those things that may give the patient an upset stomach. I suppose that would depend on the patient and how and when they are ingesting the final product. Maybe establish a tolerance to Chlorophyll as well.
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Gudyul, I agree with the benefits of cholorphyll, and I tolerate it well. I was juicing leaves and buds at first, then started using leftover plant pulp to make oil for full extraction. The oil came out black and even thicker than CCO, which made it harder to use and also harder to dose because the cannabinoid level of finished product was unknown. After discussion on this forum about FECO (Full-plant extract) a few weeks ago I started making my oil from buds only and juicing leaves only. I still get health benefits of full plant and I can more reliably dose my medication with CCO. Key issue for me was knowing how much I was actually dosing. Taking FECO orally the effects varied noticeably from dose to dose, so even doubling dosage with FECO wasn't reliable enough for me.
 
KingstonRabbi said:
Nice pun, Sue!



Gudyul, I agree with the benefits of cholorphyll, and I tolerate it well. I was juicing leaves and buds at first, then started using leftover plant pulp to make oil for full extraction. The oil came out black and even thicker than CCO, which made it harder to use and also harder to dose because the cannabinoid level of finished product was unknown. After discussion on this forum about FECO (Full-plant extract) a few weeks ago I started making my oil from buds only and juicing leaves only. I still get health benefits of full plant and I can more reliably dose my medication with CCO. Key issue for me was knowing how much I was actually dosing. Taking FECO orally the effects varied noticeably from dose to dose, so even doubling dosage with FECO wasn't reliable enough for me.
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I ended up with a green paste after squeezing out the olive oil from the MR . butter rig. I am losing olive oil in the paste so I may boil the paste in water and then skim oil off the top to get back some of the missing oil. Prolly toss the final plant material/water paste in the compost after all is said and done.

I lose very little 151 when I squeeze the rinsed cannabis after the soak. I have accumulated a good supply of tincture from approx 4 lbs of larf, maybe 3 liters. I watered down some and tried it (one swallow) not so bad tasting and pleasant buzz. I agree that it is next to impossible to get any hard numbers MG,ML,etc. Some say to start low and slow and work up to your comfort/desired dosing routine 1 gram 100% THC/CBD/chlorofyll per day as a goal for cancer cell apoptosis. NOT one gram doses ( like the silly journalist said) One gram broken down over the 12-16 hours that you are awake.
 
I have done the "QWET" method as well as the "SCET" method many times , both always look the same (No green hue )with no complaints of upset stomach from excessive chlorophyll. From my experience, i think it is very important to have alcohol & cannabis as cold as possible, luckily i have a freezer which dips almost 30 below and i also filter as quick as possible. I usually leave my alcohol oil mix outside for 2-3 hours( just to breakdown more chlorophyll before returning to the freezer for another few hours before one last filtering).Only time i ever notice any greenish to my alcohol mix if i am using sugar trim leaves to make edibles but after a couple hours exposed to UV it turns to a brownish amber color.
 
panacea said:
I have done the "QWET" method as well as the "SCET" method many times , both always look the same (No green hue )with no complaints of upset stomach from excessive chlorophyll. From my experience, i think it is very important to have alcohol & cannabis as cold as possible, luckily i have a freezer which dips almost 30 below and i also filter as quick as possible. I usually leave my alcohol oil mix outside for 2-3 hours( just to breakdown more chlorophyll before returning to the freezer for another few hours before one last filtering).Only time i ever notice any greenish to my alcohol mix if i am using sugar trim leaves to make edibles but after a couple hours exposed to UV it turns to a brownish amber color.
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You are talking about 190 grain right? How long do you wash the super chilled bud for? I still could see what looked like trichomes on my buds after doing a 3 minute(max rinse time recommended?) wash in 151. Are those just the trichome hulls or does it all need to be refrozen and rinsed again and again till all those trichomes are removed?

I read somers someone was using rubbing alchohol. Assuming it all boils off is that a safe method or are they poisoning themselves?

I just think the 151 is not worrking so wellas 190 grain would. Maybe its time to distill some of the homebrew leftovers from making co2
 
gudyul,
It might be helpful to you to go to the cco making thread & read all the discussions on this?
Might be a pain to do. I haven't been over there in awhile.

Fortunately, we were testing almost every batch from many methods at the time so they're was no guessing.

The highest cannabinoid & terpene profiles were obtained from the reflux method, but with lab equipment (I cheated, lol).
QWET was the next best, with 3 washes @ 3 min. A longer wash did not result in more anything beneficial.

This subject has been covered so many times it's sun faded now. Might be fun for some to restart it? But the info is already here if you'd like quick answers.

Quick note to anyone wondering:
FECO just means "fully" extracted. As in, all cannabinoids & not just the leaves which contain little.
It's not whole plant. It's bud.

I pictured someone stuffing an entire plant in a double cooker. Roots & all. Lol.
 
Was that someone you pictured me? :laughtwo:
 
cajuncelt said:
Quick note to anyone wondering:
FECO just means "fully" extracted. As in, all cannabinoids & not just the leaves which contain little.
It's not whole plant. It's bud.

I pictured someone stuffing an entire plant in a double cooker. Roots & all. Lol.
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Actually the commercial oil producer I know does exactly that. She gets quite vociferous when anyone says otherwise. "Full Extract means using the full plant!" :circle-of-love::Namaste:
 
We're not commercial users my friend & there are lots of reasons not to use the entire plant in a CCO.

I've worked a day or two for a commercial grow/dispensary and extractions were my favorite end of the company.
Most commercial extractors I've met pretty much agree on what FECO stands for. Fully Extracted Cannabis Oil as you probably know.
The fully, as I explained, means total extraction of all cannabinoids.
It has nothing to do with the entire/whole plant. Actually, I haven't met too many other pro extractors that would bother with sticks, stems, etc. The trim is usually the bottom of the barrel in extractions. The rest of the plant may contain vitamins, minerals & great stuff, but it is a waste of resources to extract it.
It's hard enough getting all of the carrier oil out without having to deal with the amount of trash the whole plant would produce.
I know a few old timers that don't understand the science & soak the whole plant, roots & all for an "extraction" I guess you could call it. Some for months.
Testing proved it was pretty much what we all thought it would be.
The name was founded by the now famous Phil FECO to determine what was CBD only (hemp oil) and what CCO.
Hey, to each their own right? It's good to have alot of different types of oil. Long as they charge for what's really what.
 
panacea said:
Great to see you back on here for extended period of time Cajun , Lol Keeping all your ducks( All of Us}in a row.:thumb:
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Lol. Sorry.
Old habits, new members & old subjects.
Hard not to throw my 2 cents in while I'm here.
I'll be leaving for 3 days tomorrow. Lol.
 
Bumble said:
Good morning Sue, hope you are doing well and things are growing well! I've a quick question. Is there a butane free way of vaping thc oil? My friend said don't vape, it's butane infused. So, I will ask my 420 friend. Thank you. Blessings

Peaceful blazing
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Was it a butane extraction? I don't understand your friend's perspective. The vaporizers don't use butane.
 
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