kelticBlue
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I'm gonna get a MB. My finances should sort it out after February.
Gotta do.
Gotta do.
SweetSue's Cannabis Oil Study Hall
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Susan - the oil looks beautiful! I use hemp oil on my face and it looks like that 
I always thought it was beautiful and smelled amazing. You have been busy!
Can I ask what your guys' opinion is on RAW extraction processes? I'm only asking, because the only company I found here that wrote me back is very medicinal-oriented and do raw cannabis products. It seems like they have a good range from high CBD to high THC.
Most of the places I've found here in WA are very recreational and care more about flavors than anything else :\. Not that there aren't a ton of quality things out there, but they're so not easy to find. Am I right to assume that there are laws/issues with marketing/advertising heavily here?
I always thought it was beautiful and smelled amazing. You have been busy!Can I ask what your guys' opinion is on RAW extraction processes? I'm only asking, because the only company I found here that wrote me back is very medicinal-oriented and do raw cannabis products. It seems like they have a good range from high CBD to high THC.
Most of the places I've found here in WA are very recreational and care more about flavors than anything else :\. Not that there aren't a ton of quality things out there, but they're so not easy to find. Am I right to assume that there are laws/issues with marketing/advertising heavily here?
Arctic Bowl
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Quick question for you from your pesty newbies lol. Is there a way to make capsul bio bomb in the MB? I'd love to do this for my Mrs. This weekend but don't want to mess it all up.
Blessed Buds to you and be well
Blessed Buds to you and be well
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Quick question for you from your pesty newbies lol. Is there a way to make capsul bio bomb in the MB? I'd love to do this for my Mrs. This weekend but don't want to mess it all up.
Blessed Buds to you and be well
The BioBomb is made with CCO. The infused oils aren't typically that potent. That method PsyCro was working on, using the pressure cooker, might be a good way to go. Potency and preservation of the terpenes is a strong pull.
But the short answer is no. Make a small batch of CCO and work from that.
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Susan - the oil looks beautiful! I use hemp oil on my face and it looks like that
Can I ask what your guys' opinion is on RAW extraction processes? I'm only asking, because the only company I found here that wrote me back is very medicinal-oriented and do raw cannabis products. It seems like they have a good range from high CBD to high THC.
Most of the places I've found here in WA are very recreational and care more about flavors than anything else :\. Not that there aren't a ton of quality things out there, but they're so not easy to find. Am I right to assume that there are laws/issues with marketing/advertising heavily here?
Thanks Sara. I spent some time rubbing the oil into my hands before I cleaned it off. The skin on my hands feels and looks amazing.
I believe the Raw extractions are those done with CO2. As far as I know this is a desirable thing, but I've no direct experience.
The legalities of advertising cannabis are bound to be convoluted. All this unfounded fear for the children.....
Dave Groomer
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Dark Devil Auto oil
It's been a busy day around my apartment. I was able to decarb the Carnival leaves because the DDA2 oil was done with its 36-hr cook.
I ended up with 86 capsules from 1/2 cup of coconut oil, 1 TBS of liquid sunflower lecithin and 7 grams of DDA2 buds and sugar leaves.
Tonight I'm testing the harvest of DDA3. Tomorrow I'll test these out and find the dose.
My kind of day.
I would suggest using the 4 or 8 hour setting. I usually go 4. Last night I made a batch of Coconut oil. I had about 20g of trim and I added about 14g mixed bud and made 3c oil. I also made 3 containers of cream last night. I ave someone who is suffering from fibromyalgia and does not like taking medication.
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Beautiful supergroomer. Have you tried whipping the cream? The resulting consistency is like whipped butter. I find it spreads much better.
Dave Groomer
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I tried whipping one jar and I'm sure what I did wrong, but the whole thing seemed to separate and didn't come back together. How do you whip yours?
Fuzznutter
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Good morning, Sue! 
I have lots of questions today...How come you didn't use the Magic Butter machine for the DDA2 oil? Also, do you have a recipe written out for the 36-hour oil? (I have your slow cooker recipe bookmarked but I guess I missed this one.) And finally, roughly what dosage is recommended for the oil made from fan leaves?
I have lots of questions today...How come you didn't use the Magic Butter machine for the DDA2 oil? Also, do you have a recipe written out for the 36-hour oil? (I have your slow cooker recipe bookmarked but I guess I missed this one.) And finally, roughly what dosage is recommended for the oil made from fan leaves?
Dave Groomer
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Good morning, Sue!
I put tsp of coconut oil in my coffee each morning. That works for me.
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. Morning Fuzz.Good morning, Sue!
I didn't use the MB2 because it was just a half cup of oil. I feel that's too small a volume for the MB2. The 36-Hr brew:
1/2 cup of coconut oil (or other carrier oil)
2-7 grams of good bud material (the higher the THC the better)
1 Tablespoon of liquid sunflower lecithin
- reduce the plant material to fine but not powdery. You want to keep the plant material from working through the filtering material, so avoid powder.
- Place oil, 1/2 Tablespoon of the lecithin, and plant material in a tightly-lidded jar. You'll be shaking this vigorously throughout the cooking time and you don't want leakage.
- Preheat the oven to its lowest setting. Take all but one rack out and place that one in the center.
- Give the jar a good shake. Place the jar on a baking sheet (there will be minor leakage) and set an alarm for one hour. When the alarm goes off reset it for another hour and give the jar a shake. Be sure to have a pot holder. The lid will be hot.
- The first day shake the jar every hour. The second day do that every time you think of it.
- At the halfway point take the jar out of the oven and let it cool. Maybe put it in the fridge when it's cool enough to let the vapors settle before you open it up. This is the point when you want to add the rest of the lecithin. After stirring it in, close it all back up and toss it back in the oven.
- At the end of 24-36 hours strain and use.
This recipe gives me the most fragrant and tasty oil. I figure that means I'm retaining more of the entourage.
Now to find the dose. I'm starting off with three. I'll wait 90 minutes before adding any more. It's been 20 minutes and I'm starting to get tingly body rushes.
Let me have some breakfast and see what it feels like then.
Fuzznutter
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Thank you my dears!
Shake it every hour!? Hmm...I think I'll save this method for the extra yummy strains. No lecithin in the 36-hour oil?
Shake it every hour!? Hmm...I think I'll save this method for the extra yummy strains.
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Thank you my dears!
Shake it every hour!? Hmm...I think I'll save this method for the extra yummy strains.
Sorry, yes indeed there is. I add a tablespoon. This time I added half at the beginning and the other half at the halfway point. I took the jar out and let it set to cool for a while to let vapors settle. This might work better if I cooled it in the fridge after it cooled some.
I'll edit that last post to include this.
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Into these
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So guess as I ow a massive thanks to you sue!!! I guess I should join you in this
Hopefully in 20 mins or so I'll feel like this
Ha ha ha
OMG Joe! What a glorious entrance!
Welcome my friend. I believe we're going to get along smashingly. Ok, I'm at 80 minutes with mine. My batch was 7 grams of DDA2 to 1/2 cup of coconut oil. I'm feeling very nice, with some delicious occasional body rushes coming through in tingly waves. What I'm not yet is zippy. I'm looking for zippy with the DDA. So, time for one more. It feels like one more might get me there.
gudyul
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Anyone, from what I have gathered the biobomb is for bio-availability and getting as much into the system as possible for cancer cell apoptosis .
I want to propose an idea that kept me awake last night. Instead of reducing the cannabis infused alcohol to a tar and then re-instituting into a carrier oil , simply make a strong cannabis/ alcohol tincture for adding to the bio bomb mix ( cottage cheese and mango and SF lechithin?)
Something like this: decarb raw , chopped, cannabis bud in turkey oven bag (250F for one hour), then mix with alcohol ( only 151 rum available in my area) and let soak for a day or two , shaking and mixing occasionally. Strain. Add to bio-bomb ; Start with small dose and build up as as tolerance allows.
Also I was thinking a dose( tolerance dependant) of the cannabis/olive oil concoction 1/2 hour prior to the biobomb to help by- pass the liver.
Alchohol tincture must be able to hold a lot of THC, maybe more than olive oil but then one has to consume a lot of alchohol, maybe 1/2 pint of 151 daily? Rick Simson dose for cancer cell destruction is one gram of 100% thc oil daily for thirty days. That is the rough equivalent of 5 grams of potent 20% thc dried cannabis bud. And that is the rough equivalent of aprox 3/4-1 ounce of wet or raw cannabis bud. To get the equivalent of 1 gram 100% thc oil recommended by Simson but from raw cannabis , I would have to decarb one ounce of raw bud and soak in 1/2 pint of 151 proof rum for a day or two ( assuming that 1/2 pint of 151 can absorb 100% of the THC from the one ounce of raw bud). This 1/2 pint could be diluted with 1 gallon of mango juice or green tea and would give me 151/16=9 % or 18 proof . I imagine a person would not only be very high from the cannabis but also quite intoxicated after dosing 1 pint of this 18 proof every hour on the hour. The Alchohol may help to alleviate some of the anxiety and hyper mental state from the THC.
The reason I want to try this method is to eliminate the step of reducing the cannabis/alchohol to tar and back to workable oil, and possibly eliminate cooking off of the good terpines while boiling off the alchohol . I realize this hot alchohol evaporation for CCO is an important decarb step.
Would the initial decarb in the turkey oven bag ( prior to making tincture) be enough decarb?
I realize we are all guinea pigs here and we try to go with proven methods when time is short. I have a friend who has been sent home with 4th stage breast cancer and is willing to give Cannabis therapy a try. I have a crop just coming in so I thought I could help. I have seen the warnings about witch doctoring etc but I have also read a lot ( on 420 mostly, my bad).
We will start out with very small doses and work up from there , possible with music and massage, the first time, as the effects are kicking in , to help alleviate any anxiety(Black pepper corns will be freshly ground and placed in a sniffing container just in case of an accidental overdose). I realize that an anxiety type first experience is very counter productive for the patients mental state.
Thanks for your wisdom.
I want to propose an idea that kept me awake last night. Instead of reducing the cannabis infused alcohol to a tar and then re-instituting into a carrier oil , simply make a strong cannabis/ alcohol tincture for adding to the bio bomb mix ( cottage cheese and mango and SF lechithin?)
Something like this: decarb raw , chopped, cannabis bud in turkey oven bag (250F for one hour), then mix with alcohol ( only 151 rum available in my area) and let soak for a day or two , shaking and mixing occasionally. Strain. Add to bio-bomb ; Start with small dose and build up as as tolerance allows.
Also I was thinking a dose( tolerance dependant) of the cannabis/olive oil concoction 1/2 hour prior to the biobomb to help by- pass the liver.
Alchohol tincture must be able to hold a lot of THC, maybe more than olive oil but then one has to consume a lot of alchohol, maybe 1/2 pint of 151 daily? Rick Simson dose for cancer cell destruction is one gram of 100% thc oil daily for thirty days. That is the rough equivalent of 5 grams of potent 20% thc dried cannabis bud. And that is the rough equivalent of aprox 3/4-1 ounce of wet or raw cannabis bud. To get the equivalent of 1 gram 100% thc oil recommended by Simson but from raw cannabis , I would have to decarb one ounce of raw bud and soak in 1/2 pint of 151 proof rum for a day or two ( assuming that 1/2 pint of 151 can absorb 100% of the THC from the one ounce of raw bud). This 1/2 pint could be diluted with 1 gallon of mango juice or green tea and would give me 151/16=9 % or 18 proof . I imagine a person would not only be very high from the cannabis but also quite intoxicated after dosing 1 pint of this 18 proof every hour on the hour. The Alchohol may help to alleviate some of the anxiety and hyper mental state from the THC.
The reason I want to try this method is to eliminate the step of reducing the cannabis/alchohol to tar and back to workable oil, and possibly eliminate cooking off of the good terpines while boiling off the alchohol . I realize this hot alchohol evaporation for CCO is an important decarb step.
Would the initial decarb in the turkey oven bag ( prior to making tincture) be enough decarb?
I realize we are all guinea pigs here and we try to go with proven methods when time is short. I have a friend who has been sent home with 4th stage breast cancer and is willing to give Cannabis therapy a try. I have a crop just coming in so I thought I could help. I have seen the warnings about witch doctoring etc but I have also read a lot ( on 420 mostly, my bad).
We will start out with very small doses and work up from there , possible with music and massage, the first time, as the effects are kicking in , to help alleviate any anxiety(Black pepper corns will be freshly ground and placed in a sniffing container just in case of an accidental overdose). I realize that an anxiety type first experience is very counter productive for the patients mental state.
Thanks for your wisdom.
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I decarb fresh material in a roasting bag at 245 F for an hour all the time. I'm not the only one. Toss it in the freezer for an hour before you open it up.
Obviously not a therapy one should suggest for a recovering alcoholic, but a provocative idea gudyul. I accept that the ethanol does the best pull, and therein lies the big draw, if I read you right. On the other hand, PsyCro's dabbling in fresh-harvest olive oil extractions gives you an immediate oil and preserves the entourage. Lately he's refined it to include a pressure cooker, and he feels this is giving him a much improved end product.
So if the concern is to get a medication that holds the greatest potential for the fullest entourage expression, I'd recommend you explore PsyCro's work with olive oil. However, what you propose intrigues me. I'm not certain how much problem 1/2 pint of the ethanol would present to the average patient, diluted as it would be in your plan. That's just over a cup, spaced out over the course of a day. Wouldn't you think that good scheduling might mitigate the alcoholic effects the same way it does for the euphoric effects of THC? I'm tempted to try this with my next harvest, in a couple weeks, to see how I'd tolerate it.
The true BioBomb mix, using cottage cheese, is made with Faxseed oil. There's an electrical reaction from the mix of cottage cheese and flaxseed. I still like the idea of mango, cottage cheese and your proposed tincture. It'll make the mix more palpable. You want to stay away from flaxseed anyway if your friend's cancer is estrogen positive.
I'm interested in hearing what the rest of the crew thinks about your proposal.
Incidentally, the music and massage reinforce the endocannabinoid system. Always a good thing.
gudyul
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Thanks for your thoughts Sue, I certainly will be following PsyCro closely on this journey. If I recollect, he was going to lab test some of his theory at some point when he had the green resources.
I believe you are correct that we can build up a tolerance to the effects of the proposed tincture over time and thus increase dosage to the max for effective cancer cell destruction . I would not recommend this tincture for liver cancer.
Please remind me what protocols are recommend if breast cancer metastasizes into the liver? I recollect something about using coconut oil VS olive oil or visa versa . Is breast cancer is estrogen type cancer? At what point is cannabis therapy futile? Thanks so much for your insight.
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Not all breast cancers are estrogen positive. If she doesn't know, err on the side of caution and encourage her to find out. This is important information to have on hand.
The advantage of using coconut oil with liver cancer is that the oil goes to the liver first, being a medium-chained fatty acid. Olive oil is a long-chained fatty acid, absorbed into the lymphatic system, thereby missing that first pass through the liver. If you're treating liver cancer you want the cannabinoids at the liver.
In this instance competitive inhibition becomes more critical, because you want those enzymes occupied when the cannabinoids get there. Then the cannabinoids have a better chance of locating and activating receptors on tumor cells in the immediate vicinity. Crowd that area with something like apigenin. Create a diversion.
In almost all other cancers and diseases you want to choose a long-chained fatty acid. For recreational purposes you chose coconut.
I don't believe cannabinoid therapy is ever going to be found futile. It's not a magic bullet, and as an herbal medication, working from the cellular level out, it can sometimes take weeks or months before you begin to see the results you were so hopeful for in the beginning. But we all have stressed endocannabinoid systems. We can all benefit, on some level, from the introduction of additional cannabinoids to our systems. If what we're proposing is working, and we believe evidence backs us up, the longer one pursues a sound cannabinoid therapy the more one can benefit from it.
A responsible approach, once you have a handle on the malady you're treating, is to take an occasional "holiday" to gauge the relative health of your ECS. At some point we should expect your system has begun to take over more of the responsibility for homeostasis. If you never take a break you'll never be able to determine when you can safely back off the protocol.
gosh teach, how can you absorb all this??, spongesue learnthat, heck with spongebob,, amazing indeed
a bit of an oily update, pictures of oildrops,
boring..
oil drops is oil drops,, cept when dutty and dutty too want to play too
so, i just did my third batch of oil,, the whole ten yards this time,, froze the decarbed herb, for a few days actually,, ran the batch through the coffee filter, the whole kit and kaboodle, i think anyway,,
needless to say,, the oil was thinner than the second batch, clearer than the second batch, but by no means clear, still very dark, very oily, very beautiful, indeed, more beautiful
this the older pic of the first and second batch,, thinner one is second batch,,
this a pic of dutty and dutty too helping show the second batch and the third batch,, the thinner, flatter drop is the third batch
it is simply lovely this stuff, must say,, the last batch so smooth,, dip the pin in the container and out comes the most perfect little black pearl to sit gently atop my bowl o bud, whilst i incinerate the heck out of it,, haha
this is my conclusions so far,, re,, a conversation in this thread a bit ago talked about the inclusion of many of the properties removed during the freezing and filtering process, ie, leaving all the gunk in there,,
i think for medical purposes,, leaving all the gunk in there is perhaps not such a bad idea.. can't hurt?? right?? makes the oil easier to dose out, as in separate the required dosage from the herd
but, for recreational purposes,,the tiny perfect pearl of a drop, just the perfect amount for a single shot of oily heaven,, indeed,,i feel slightly guilty using this marvelous oil for anything other than strictly medical purposes,, but i will do my best to get over that guilt,, ha
and the second, slightly thicker batch,, that is strictly medical,, honest teach,, the pindrop of that oil is grain of rice size,, again, just marvelous and perfectly sized for me and me missus's daily dose,,we make a toast with the doses every time, then down the hatch,,
cheers sue,,
a bit of an oily update, pictures of oildrops,
boring..
oil drops is oil drops,, cept when dutty and dutty too want to play too
so, i just did my third batch of oil,, the whole ten yards this time,, froze the decarbed herb, for a few days actually,, ran the batch through the coffee filter, the whole kit and kaboodle, i think anyway,,
needless to say,, the oil was thinner than the second batch, clearer than the second batch, but by no means clear, still very dark, very oily, very beautiful, indeed, more beautiful
this the older pic of the first and second batch,, thinner one is second batch,,
this a pic of dutty and dutty too helping show the second batch and the third batch,, the thinner, flatter drop is the third batch
it is simply lovely this stuff, must say,, the last batch so smooth,, dip the pin in the container and out comes the most perfect little black pearl to sit gently atop my bowl o bud, whilst i incinerate the heck out of it,, haha
this is my conclusions so far,, re,, a conversation in this thread a bit ago talked about the inclusion of many of the properties removed during the freezing and filtering process, ie, leaving all the gunk in there,,
i think for medical purposes,, leaving all the gunk in there is perhaps not such a bad idea.. can't hurt?? right?? makes the oil easier to dose out, as in separate the required dosage from the herd
but, for recreational purposes,,the tiny perfect pearl of a drop, just the perfect amount for a single shot of oily heaven,, indeed,,i feel slightly guilty using this marvelous oil for anything other than strictly medical purposes,, but i will do my best to get over that guilt,, ha
and the second, slightly thicker batch,, that is strictly medical,, honest teach,, the pindrop of that oil is grain of rice size,, again, just marvelous and perfectly sized for me and me missus's daily dose,,we make a toast with the doses every time, then down the hatch,,
cheers sue,,