SweetSue's Cannabis Oil Study Hall

[Mr. Krip]

You used the MBM2 to make your CCO? I haven't tried it yet since I have the distiller and reclaim the ethanol, but we've had members recommend against the MBM2, though I can't offhand recall their reasoning. You had no difficulty with using it?

We use our CCO in capsule form, unlike many other approaches. I guess this was where my instincts led me and we all seem to be gravitating to follow that lead. I'm incredibly gratified to have all this success with administering the capsules. There's such potential here and I can't tell you all how it excites me to have so many of you active in this search for better methods and understanding.

I'm not sure what the other members don't like about using the MB2 for tincture, but I'll tell you why I don't use it....

The tincture setting on the MB2 is something like 160*F for four hours!

I do a wash at about 0*F for 3 minutes.

The quick wash at the cold temperatures pulls much less chlorophyll and plant waxes, so you get a nice golden oil with fantastic terpenes and not a green oil that tastes like grass.

 

[SweetSue]

Just the flowers ? Sorry if I seen like I am being difficult. I'm tired and was waiting up to see this.
Have a good night guys.

Phrum the light room.

Jacob, we're here to answer questions. You couldn't be a bother if you tried.

 

[SweetSue]

I'm not sure what the other members don't like about using the MB2 for tincture, but I'll tell you why I don't use it....

The tincture setting on the MB2 is something like 160*F for four hours!

I do a wash at about 0*F for 3 minutes.

The quick wash at the cold temperatures pulls much less chlorophyll and plant waxes, so you get a nice golden oil with fantastic terpenes and not a green oil that tastes like grass.

Ok, this would be a very good reason if taste was a concern. I'm not sure taste comes much into play with the capsules. Any thoughts on this everyone? I know every once in awhile I'll burp and taste them, but that's a minor thing.

I'll have to try a batch and see how it works. Someday when I have an extra ounce lying around. How crazy is it that I know someday that'll happen? Lol! We live a life most people never suspect.

 

[SweetSue]

morning Sue
morning all

Mornin' Birdie. Thanks.

Anyone???

 

[Canna Montana]

I think I asked the wrong question. I wanted to use the fresh ogk to make cco. Is that possible?

Here's what I was thinking. Bear with me here.

I was thinking about using the dry ice method to collect the hash, and using the hash in oil itself. Since the fresh buds will likely freeze during the dry ice extraction, I was going to wash them with grain alcohol for 3 min. That's the tricky part. Do the fresh buds need to be decarbed in order to collect less of the chlorophyll?

I have my reservations about reducing the oil in an oil bath. We had a house fire as a teenager, and don't want to replicate that as an adult.

 

[Canna Montana]

Mornin' Birdie. Thanks.

Anyone???

YES! I've had a rough night/morning, and no I wasn't drunk. Lol

 

[Mr. Krip]

I think I asked the wrong question. I wanted to use the fresh ogk to make cco. Is that possible?

Here's what I was thinking. Bear with me here.

I was thinking about using the dry ice method to collect the hash, and using the hash in oil itself. Since the fresh buds will likely freeze during the dry ice extraction, I was going to wash them with grain alcohol for 3 min. That's the tricky part. Do the fresh buds need to be decarbed in order to collect less of the chlorophyll?

I have my reservations about reducing the oil in an oil bath. We had a house fire as a teenager, and don't want to replicate that as an adult.

Usually, with RSO, you do the extraction first, then decarb the oil itself. I only assume it's so the buds don't get so dry they crumble and you get small remnants in the oil.

 

[Mr. Krip]

Ok, this would be a very good reason if taste was a concern. I'm not sure taste comes much into play with the capsules. Any thoughts on this everyone? I know every once in awhile I'll burp and taste them, but that's a minor thing.

I'll have to try a batch and see how it works. Someday when I have an extra ounce lying around. How crazy is it that I know someday that'll happen? Lol! We live a life most people never suspect.

Well, technically, it also effects the purity of the oil which has an effect on dosing.

 

[Canyon]

I think I asked the wrong question. I wanted to use the fresh ogk to make cco. Is that possible?

Here's what I was thinking. Bear with me here.

I was thinking about using the dry ice method to collect the hash, and using the hash in oil itself. Since the fresh buds will likely freeze during the dry ice extraction, I was going to wash them with grain alcohol for 3 min. That's the tricky part. Do the fresh buds need to be decarbed in order to collect less of the chlorophyll?

I have my reservations about reducing the oil in an oil bath. We had a house fire as a teenager, and don't want to replicate that as an adult.

Canna, Sue,

Hash works, my second batch was from hash.

I have not heard of anyone dry ice sifting wet bud though. If you can get it to work please post. I have always needed very dry bud and a low humidity day to get good yields.

I was going to do a scaled down version of the whole wet plant coco extraction when I got to doing some math.I decided to use buds that had been hanging for a day. Then I added some dry small bud from the bottom of another plant. The problem with whole plant is getting the strength up to where you are not having to take lots of capsules.

The first batch I made was about 40mg per capsule. This batch came out at about 15mg per cap, best guess.

30g finely chopped wet buds and good trim. Estimated dry weight 10g at 15%=1.5g
7g finely chopped lower branch buds and trim. At 15%=1.05g
estomated total cannabinoids 2.5g.

I had to add 150ml of coco oil to mix and decarb. 2.5 into 150=16.7mg per gram.

I was able to recover 100mg of that and mixed in 15ml of lecithin. 16.7 diluted 15%=15mg per gram/capsule. That is less than the 20mg dose used/recommended by dispensaries on chocolate bars. The first batch I made out of rosin and BHO were about 40mg.

Larger caps may be needed for higher dosses.

I have some ideas on recovering the 50g of oil left behind I want to try.

I am just starting to worm things up to cap this batch. After it is complete and I sample about three I will post more.

hopefully you can get some ideas from this.

Best
canyon

 

[SweetSue]

Well, technically, it also effects the purity of the oil which has an effect on dosing.

That silly technicality I overlooked? Ok, I hear you.

 

[KeifKeith]

You used the MBM2 to make your CCO? I haven't tried it yet since I have the distiller and reclaim the ethanol, but we've had members recommend against the MBM2, though I can't offhand recall their reasoning. You had no difficulty with using it?

We use our CCO in capsule form, unlike many other approaches. I guess this was where my instincts led me and we all seem to be gravitating to follow that lead. I'm incredibly gratified to have all this success with administering the capsules. There's such potential here and I can't tell you all how it excites me to have so many of you active in this search for better methods and understanding.:circle-of-love :[/QUOTE

Good morning Sue, happy day to you!

If I had a distiller I would certainly use than considering the price of (and loss) of Ethanol. The wash/steep/evaporate process is a bit wasteful, but with my production needs I can't justify the price of a distiller to reclaim the solvent. I do have my Grandpas old copper 'Shine still in the attic, but I have never used it as I'm not a big alcohol consumer in general (I'm not anti-alcohol, to each there own).

I'm unsure why anyone would not like this machine, it removes much work from the process, especially the time and temperature monitoring and adjustments, and the canting and decanting of hot fluids (you know about that one, I'm still bummed that happened to you) . Dislikers of the machine may have very good and valid reason(s) why it doesn't provide the level of usefulness or quality of product as their fully manual method. I don't have the experience to know if I'm doing something wrong with the machine, or could be doing it better manually. Sometimes being in the dark is a good thing, but usually not! I'll go looking around to see if I can find why some people might not approve of the device.

My wife read about the MB2 when we were discussing the treatment of our boy, and she just loves buying stuff (anything with a price tag!). The reviews and testimonials were 95% excellent (not just their website), and the MM community in general (other places besides 420Magazine, yes I scoped most all online MM places before I decided this was the mature site) seemed to approve of the devices usefulness. My wife thought it might make for a more consistent medicine, and that was her motivation to buy it.

I have used the MB2 machine three times since she bought it for me, I think it's a great little device. The set it and forget it is one awesome design, especially after I read the inventors story and reasons for making the machine. Of course I can't know if his story is true or a sales dialog, but either way it makes yet another case of MM being more effective that Big Pharmas Rx.

The first use of the MB2 was to make CannaButter, unsalted organic butter and cured buds. The resultant butter is now in the fridge, but I haven't cooked anything with it yet. I'm new concerning the ingestion of "edibles" and hope it is good stuff. It certainly smells good! I have chewed on many a bud over the years, an acquired taste that gives me a different feeling than smoking, slow onset, low and long buzz. I really didn't know about the "Decarb" process until a few months ago, nor about the THCa conversion during combustion. I thought burning buds simply vaporized THC and the cannabinoids, not that heat changes THC on a molecular level.

My second use of the MB2 was to make some MM tincture for my son. That product hasn't been tested yet either, and is being stored in a cool dark cabinet in dropper bottles awaiting usage hopefully. I can always evaporate the alcohol and usefully usage. I kind of went a little overboard making things with the MB2 just because I had a new toy and enough cured buds to play and test.

My third use of the MB2 was to create CCO since we decided upon capsules as the best administration method for my sons treatment. I basically followed the tincture settings with ethanol. After it whirled and buzzed, I reduced the final product (evaporation and a little more Decarb in a rice cooker) with 100% of my attention on the time, temperature and visuals.

Let me go find the reasons some people think it's not good or useful ...

Hope your day shines like your oven!

Keith

 

[Mr. Krip]

You used the MBM2 to make your CCO? I haven't tried it yet since I have the distiller and reclaim the ethanol, but we've had members recommend against the MBM2, though I can't offhand recall their reasoning. You had no difficulty with using it?

We use our CCO in capsule form, unlike many other approaches. I guess this was where my instincts led me and we all seem to be gravitating to follow that lead. I'm incredibly gratified to have all this success with administering the capsules. There's such potential here and I can't tell you all how it excites me to have so many of you active in this search for better methods and understanding.:circle-of-love :[/QUOTE

Good morning Sue, happy day to you!

If I had a distiller I would certainly use than considering the price of (and loss) of Ethanol. The wash/steep/evaporate process is a bit wasteful, but with my production needs I can't justify the price of a distiller to reclaim the solvent. I do have my Grandpas old copper 'Shine still in the attic, but I have never used it as I'm not a big alcohol consumer in general (I'm not anti-alcohol, to each there own).

I'm unsure why anyone would not like this machine, it removes much work from the process, especially the time and temperature monitoring and adjustments, and the canting and decanting of hot fluids (you know about that one, I'm still bummed that happened to you) . Dislikers of the machine may have very good and valid reason(s) why it doesn't provide the level of usefulness or quality of product as their fully manual method. I don't have the experience to know if I'm doing something wrong with the machine, or could be doing it better manually. Sometimes being in the dark is a good thing, but usually not! I'll go looking around to see if I can find why some people might not approve of the device.

My wife read about the MB2 when we were discussing the treatment of our boy, and she just loves buying stuff (anything with a price tag!). The reviews and testimonials were 95% excellent (not just their website), and the MM community in general (other places besides 420Magazine, yes I scoped most all online MM places before I decided this was the mature site) seemed to approve of the devices usefulness. My wife thought it might make for a more consistent medicine, and that was her motivation to buy it.

I have used the MB2 machine three times since she bought it for me, I think it's a great little device. The set it and forget it is one awesome design, especially after I read the inventors story and reasons for making the machine. Of course I can't know if his story is true or a sales dialog, but either way it makes yet another case of MM being more effective that Big Pharmas Rx.

The first use of the MB2 was to make CannaButter, unsalted organic butter and cured buds. The resultant butter is now in the fridge, but I haven't cooked anything with it yet. I'm new concerning the ingestion of "edibles" and hope it is good stuff. It certainly smells good! I have chewed on many a bud over the years, an acquired taste that gives me a different feeling than smoking, slow onset, low and long buzz. I really didn't know about the "Decarb" process until a few months ago, nor about the THCa conversion during combustion. I thought burning buds simply vaporized THC and the cannabinoids, not that heat changes THC on a molecular level.

My second use of the MB2 was to make some MM tincture for my son. That product hasn't been tested yet either, and is being stored in a cool dark cabinet in dropper bottles awaiting usage hopefully. I can always evaporate the alcohol and usefully usage. I kind of went a little overboard making things with the MB2 just because I had a new toy and enough cured buds to play and test.

My third use of the MB2 was to create CCO since we decided upon capsules as the best administration method for my sons treatment. I basically followed the tincture settings with ethanol. After it whirled and buzzed, I reduced the final product (evaporation and a little more Decarb in a rice cooker) with 100% of my attention on the time, temperature and visuals.

Let me go find the reasons some people think it's not good or useful ...

Hope your day shines like your oven!

Keith

I my MB2E for everything EXCEPT making RSO simply because I want a quick/cold extraction for that.

I do use it regularly for butter and coconut oil and HIGHLY recommend it. Even though I've made budder/oil for years, the machine not only makes it easy for beginners, but it does away with the odor and makes clean-up easy!

 

[Dave Groomer]

You used the MBM2 to make your CCO? I haven't tried it yet since I have the distiller and reclaim the ethanol, but we've had members recommend against the MBM2, though I can't offhand recall their reasoning. You had no difficulty with using it?

We use our CCO in capsule form, unlike many other approaches. I guess this was where my instincts led me and we all seem to be gravitating to follow that lead. I'm incredibly gratified to have all this success with administering the capsules. There's such potential here and I can't tell you all how it excites me to have so many of you active in this search for better methods and understanding.:circle-of-love :[/QUOTE

Good morning Sue, happy day to you!

If I had a distiller I would certainly use than considering the price of (and loss) of Ethanol. The wash/steep/evaporate process is a bit wasteful, but with my production needs I can't justify the price of a distiller to reclaim the solvent. I do have my Grandpas old copper 'Shine still in the attic, but I have never used it as I'm not a big alcohol consumer in general (I'm not anti-alcohol, to each there own).

I'm unsure why anyone would not like this machine, it removes much work from the process, especially the time and temperature monitoring and adjustments, and the canting and decanting of hot fluids (you know about that one, I'm still bummed that happened to you) . Dislikers of the machine may have very good and valid reason(s) why it doesn't provide the level of usefulness or quality of product as their fully manual method. I don't have the experience to know if I'm doing something wrong with the machine, or could be doing it better manually. Sometimes being in the dark is a good thing, but usually not! I'll go looking around to see if I can find why some people might not approve of the device.

My wife read about the MB2 when we were discussing the treatment of our boy, and she just loves buying stuff (anything with a price tag!). The reviews and testimonials were 95% excellent (not just their website), and the MM community in general (other places besides 420Magazine, yes I scoped most all online MM places before I decided this was the mature site) seemed to approve of the devices usefulness. My wife thought it might make for a more consistent medicine, and that was her motivation to buy it.

I have used the MB2 machine three times since she bought it for me, I think it's a great little device. The set it and forget it is one awesome design, especially after I read the inventors story and reasons for making the machine. Of course I can't know if his story is true or a sales dialog, but either way it makes yet another case of MM being more effective that Big Pharmas Rx.

The first use of the MB2 was to make CannaButter, unsalted organic butter and cured buds. The resultant butter is now in the fridge, but I haven't cooked anything with it yet. I'm new concerning the ingestion of "edibles" and hope it is good stuff. It certainly smells good! I have chewed on many a bud over the years, an acquired taste that gives me a different feeling than smoking, slow onset, low and long buzz. I really didn't know about the "Decarb" process until a few months ago, nor about the THCa conversion during combustion. I thought burning buds simply vaporized THC and the cannabinoids, not that heat changes THC on a molecular level.

My second use of the MB2 was to make some MM tincture for my son. That product hasn't been tested yet either, and is being stored in a cool dark cabinet in dropper bottles awaiting usage hopefully. I can always evaporate the alcohol and usefully usage. I kind of went a little overboard making things with the MB2 just because I had a new toy and enough cured buds to play and test.

My third use of the MB2 was to create CCO since we decided upon capsules as the best administration method for my sons treatment. I basically followed the tincture settings with ethanol. After it whirled and buzzed, I reduced the final product (evaporation and a little more Decarb in a rice cooker) with 100% of my attention on the time, temperature and visuals.

Let me go find the reasons some people think it's not good or useful ...

Hope your day shines like your oven!

Keith

The MB2 is great for making Coconut oil (or any infused oil) and butter. If you try to use it to make CCO, you will burn it. There is no way to tell when the alcohol has cooked off enough. You go from boil to burn in a heart beat. I use my MB2 ALL the time, just not for CCO.

 

[Mr. Krip]

The MB2 is great for making Coconut oil (or any infused oil) and butter. If you try to use it to make CCO, you will burn it. There is no way to tell when the alcohol has cooked off enough. You go from boil to burn in a heart beat. I use my MB2 ALL the time, just not for CCO.

To do the CCO in the MB2, according to MB instructions, you should ONLY make the tincture/extract in the machine and then evaporate off the solvent on a hot plate, etc.

They do NOT recommend you evaporate the solvent in the MB2!

I just don't like the MB2, even for the extraction, ONLY when it comes to CCO.

 

[Canna Montana]

This is our current situation. I'm wondering if this is how it's done?

 

[Mr. Krip]

This is our current situation. I'm wondering if this is how it's done?

That'll work for butter/oil....how much buds and how much oil/butter did you use? For good quality buds, figure about 1/2 oz. per cup of butter plus 1-2 TBSP of lecithin.

(It looks like you've got a lot of buds for the amount of oil, but that may just be what I see before straining!)

 

[Canna Montana]

That'll work for butter/oil....how much buds and how much oil/butter did you use? For good quality buds, figure about 1/2 oz. per cup of butter plus 1-2 TBSP of lecithin.

(It looks like you've got a lot of buds for the amount of oil, but that may just be what I see before straining!)

Just over 400g in 500ml oil. This will be simmered down to a concentrated infused oil for caps.

 

[Mr. Krip]

Just over 400g in 500ml oil. This will be simmered down to a concentrated infused oil for caps.

WOW!!!

That should be some strong oil!!!!

That's over 14 oz of bud! If I was using for baking, I would use something like 14-28 cups, or something like 3,500-7,000ml of butter.

But, I understand you're using for caps and want it strong.

As is, assuming average of 15% THC content, that's 60,000mg of THC in 500ml of oil. In THEORY, and this is ONLY theory, each ml of oil (or, about the content of a #00 cap) you'd have 120mg of THC.

However, the challenge you face, and this is an UNKNOWN to me sorry, is what the saturation point of the oil would be?

In other words, the oil will only hold a certain amount of the THC and then, once it reaches its "saturation point" won't hold any more, so any more bud is simply wasted because the THC never makes it into the oil.

Just to be safe, when you're done with the oil, I'd make a second batch with the strained buds and check the potency. I wouldn't be surprised if the second batch was almost as strong as the first!

 

[Canna Montana]

WOW!!!

That should be some strong oil!!!!

That's over 14 oz of bud! If I was using for baking, I would use something like 14-28 cups, or something like 3,500-7,000ml of butter.

But, I understand you're using for caps and want it strong.

As is, assuming average of 15% THC content, that's 60,000mg of THC in 500ml of oil. In THEORY, and this is ONLY theory, each ml of oil (or, about the content of a #00 cap) you'd have 120mg of THC.

However, the challenge you face, and this is an UNKNOWN to me sorry, is what the saturation point of the oil would be?

In other words, the oil will only hold a certain amount of the THC and then, once it reaches its "saturation point" won't hold any more, so any more bud is simply wasted because the THC never makes it into the oil.

Just to be safe, when you're done with the oil, I'd make a second batch with the strained buds and check the potency. I wouldn't be surprised if the second batch was almost as strong as the first!

That's a great idea! I'll do that. I was planning on leaving the mash with the oil in the caps, but if we can get 2 batches out of it, then that's even better!! You guys know I'm always down for some expiramentation.

 

[SweetSue]

Just over 400g in 500ml oil. This will be simmered down to a concentrated infused oil for caps.

You're doing well Canna. By now you're decarbing. How's it going?