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Welcome kofidog. Are you looking to make a large batch or a small batch? There are different methods I'd recommend for each.
Hi Sue, at this stage I'm interested in how to make a small batch of CCO as I only have about an ounce of dry material. I'd like to keep at least 10 grams for vaping. That leaves about 18 grams of material - would this be enough to work with?
 
Subbing in. Thought I already had a while back. Been wondering why I wasn't getting notices.

Great topic of discussion!
Kingston. Welcome back ? Welcome:passitleft:

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That'll work for butter/oil....how much buds and how much oil/butter did you use? For good quality buds, figure about 1/2 oz. per cup of butter plus 1-2 TBSP of lecithin.

(It looks like you've got a lot of buds for the amount of oil, but that may just be what I see before straining!)

MMMmmmm Pesto!
Looks luscious!
 
High Folks,

How's your day treating you?

I'm trying to get used to this retirement thing, no more schedule is almost disturbing! Not complaining, just an observation that not going to work everyday is time disorienting. BUT it's still new and I'm adjusting.

When speaking in the terms of Medical Marijuana, not recreational use, is any of the extraction methods more desirable?
Too broad of a question I know, but since I have prepared CCO Caps, CannaButter and Tincture, my mind went left and right during the saturation discussions. Is infusion or extraction more desirable in the measure of full plant profile in the product?

Maybe a poor question, but I am a noob concerning MM production and indications. It's nice to say I'm a wet behind the ears at something at my age!

Thanks

Keith
 
Keif Keith, how do you do.
I cannot say one way or another on oil.
But when you ask how is your day treating you followed by being chronologically challenged, side effects of being retired, I could relate. Since I've been bound from injury I have been in a kind of retirmental time warp as well. Is there a remedy. How many biobombs does it take to be totally bio-degraded and bombeb outta this funk ?
I'm cranky so I'll get outta your hair.
Anyhow I have to go see a man about a book.


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High Folks,

How's your day treating you?

I'm trying to get used to this retirement thing, no more schedule is almost disturbing! Not complaining, just an observation that not going to work everyday is time disorienting. BUT it's still new and I'm adjusting.

When speaking in the terms of Medical Marijuana, not recreational use, is any of the extraction methods more desirable?
Too broad of a question I know, but since I have prepared CCO Caps, CannaButter and Tincture, my mind went left and right during the saturation discussions. Is infusion or extraction more desirable in the measure of full plant profile in the product?

Maybe a poor question, but I am a noob concerning MM production and indications. It's nice to say I'm a wet behind the ears at something at my age!

Thanks

Keith

Keith, when talking about MMJ, the term "medical" is pretty broad covering everything from body aches and insomnia to serious illnesses such as cancer and aids.

The most effective treatment for each of those ailments will, to some extent, be specific to the individual and the condition.

However, for the serious illnesses like cancer and aids, the CCO/RSO is pure cannabis extract and would be most effective.

Smoking a joint or vaping might work wonders for things like pain and insomnia, but I certainly would not suggest smoking joints to cure cancer, for example! ;)
 
I'm sorry Mr. Krip, I was omitting on important fact! Duh!

I've kind of detailed my sons ailments and treatment on this thread, and should have stated that was the patient it he post. I'm really new to Internet & having a Web presence, I have no Facebook, Twitter or any of like accounts. Thanks for your work in the deep dive category, much appreciated!

Keith
 
I'm sorry Mr. Krip, I was omitting on important fact! Duh!

I've kind of detailed my sons ailments and treatment on this thread, and should have stated that was the patient it he post. I'm really new to Internet & having a Web presence, I have no Facebook, Twitter or any of like accounts. Thanks for your work in the deep dive category, much appreciated!

Keith

It's taken me almost a full year to get used to the idea that I was retired. My angst at suddenly having no necessary structure to my days is chronicled all over this site. :laughtwo: In time I've come to embrace the art of living an unstructured life, but I still battle that little voice that tells me I'd be more productive if I scheduled at least blocks of time. Lol! Apparently it's an ongoing battle against a lifetime of conditioning.

I threw myself into this work and I'm learning to do it with a free-flow mentality, letting myself relish being an opportunist. It's an art form all its own, and an entirely new way of learning for me. I've had to learn to gather information and then let it steep in my brain until it lets me know the time is now to get it posted. This working arrangement would be a hard sell in the job market, wouldn't it? So it's good I don't have to justify my approach to anyone. Being retired with an adequate income to meet my needs has given me a freedom I'd never allowed myself to dream of.

My thoughts on the extractions mirror K's with the additional point that an oil extraction offers more opportunity to retain terpenes and flavinoids, so one would expect more of the entourage effect with this type of extraction. An ethanol extraction will pull the most oil from the plants, and that's why CCO is so sought after for more critical diseases. You gotta love an extract that you can coat onto a melanoma and watch it heal right before your eyes, don't you?

There's much evidence of the oil extractions also being effective in the treatment of cancer. I tend to think that a protocol that includes elements of both CCO and an oil extraction would be most beneficial, but then I've always been a fan of diversity.
 
Reposted here because it belongs here too.

I found this invaluable article and decided it was too important not to share. Unfortunately, I can't link directly to the article without violating site security rules, so I've attempted to transfer as much of the information as I can in as close a format as Anna Wilcox set it up. I couldn't get tables to format properly so I went with photos of the strain data. This means that what look like links aren't. I apologize for the confusion, but it was more important to get the information out than to be concerned with the lack of links.

All links in the narrative work, or they did when I posted this.

Anna's a talented journalist and I encourage you to seek her out. This article is just the tip of her iceberg of cannabis reporting.

May this be helpful for you.

:Namaste:

The Best Strains of Marijuana For Pain Relief

Anna Wilcox 20 September, 2015
Cannabis and Health

The Best Strains of Marijuana For Pain Relief

Chronic pain is one of the most difficult ailments to manage. Overwhelmed in a storm of over-the-counter and prescription painkillers, many patients are deciding to go the natural route: smoking marijuana for pain management.

When it comes to using marijuana for pain relief, not all strains are created equal. Some cannabis strains will keep you tossing and turning at night. Yet, others will ease away nerve pain and muscle tension. This article aims to show you which is which, and help you find the best strain for pain.

Using Marijuana for Pain Relief

The Brain on Cannabis: The Effects of THC, CBD, and Terpenes - YouTube

Both of the most common compounds in marijuana ease pain. Believe it or not, research is showing that marijuana may interact with your pain-signaling cells. Both THC and CBD are strong anti-inflammatories. They also interact with other pain systems in your body.

Taste The Pain Away

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It’s not only THC and CBD that are valuable for relief. The flavor and aroma molecules in your plant are also potent natural medicines.

Yep, that’s right. That famous skunky weed aroma is a sign of an incredibly nutritious plant.

Cannabis 101: Introduction to Terpenes - YouTube

Flavor molecules are called terpenes, and they’re found in all plants. Every fruit, vegetable and herb that you eat owes its flavor to terpenes. Some terpenes are vitamins. Vitamin K, for example, is actually a terpene.

Marijuana is not only loaded with powerful antioxidant cannabinoids but is full of healthy terpenes. Terpenes are different from strain to strain. In fact, each strain has its own specific terpene profile. This is the reason why flavors and scents are so different from strain to strain.

Unfortunately, these flavor molecules are also a bit tricky. Environmental conditions like soil, light exposure, and temperature all affect terpene development. While different strains tend to produce different terpenes, it takes a lot of TLC to get plants to express their flavor profiles to the fullest.

Strains For Wounds, Muscle, and Back

Cramps, spasms, pulled tendons, and slipped disks in your back are types of musculoskeletal injuries. Marijuana eases muscle, joint, and injury-related pain. There are many strains that can help ease the inflammatory pain associated with musculoskeletal issues.

We also encourage you to give cannabis topicals a try. A topical is an infused cream, lotion, or salve that you apply directly to the skin. The activated compounds in this marijuana cream will relieve pain, inflammation, and muscle tightness in a localized area.

Afghan Kush

If you’re looking for a powerful general pain reliever, Afghan Kush just might be the strain for you. Nearly 100% indica, this strain is native to the Kush Mountain Region in the Middle East. Featuring a strong, pungent aroma, even the vapor of this flower will keep you locked on the couch.

Because this strain is a potent indica, the effects will be felt mostly in the body. In fact, this is what makes it so great for those seeking pain-relief. Not only is this little lady loaded with pain-fighting THC, but it’s also chock full of analgesic and anti-inflammatory terpenes. Particularly terpenes Humulene and Caryophyllene.

Their names may be hard to pronounce, but these potent flavors are the culprits behind the pungent and spicy hop aroma of Afghan Kush.

Caryophyllene has also shown anti-cancer effects. This may make strains like Afghan Kush a good choice for patients hoping to manage cancer pain. Other strains high in caryophyllene include Hash Plant, Maui Waui, and Super Sour Diesel.

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White Widow

A true White Widow is a 50/50 cross between a pure sativa and a pure indica. The result is an extremely well-balanced and potent hybrid. Inheriting the best from both sides, this strain creates an uplifting and euphoric buzz while still easing away pain.

Unlike Afghan Kush we’ve featured so far, White Widow’s powerful unique high comes from several calming aroma molecules. Specifically, Linalool. Linalool is the terpene that gives lavender it’s famous therapeutic scent. It also happens to be a powerful pain reliever and anti-inflammatory.

But, we won’t just let the science speak for itself. Here’s what people had to say about it on Leafly, the World’s Largest Strain Finder:

“This is definitely as the other reviews have said. A very gentle but euphoric high. I am really looking for pain relief and it does work pretty well for me on that score. It is very relaxing. I find it a bit hard to think logically when using it so I would likely keep this for special times where I want to be awake and happy but nothing important needs to happen. It does give me terrible dry mouth”

“Incredible. If you want to get high, fight pain, or take a nap it’s the perfect strain. Definitely a perfect hybrid mix. Dense nugs. One I’m keeping in my medical rotation.”

“Definite Class A strain. Bright green, orange bristles are distinct. Euphoria and Energy are the main affects I experienced. I have a migraine disorder and this weed is perfect for relieving pain and getting your spirits up.”


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Additional Strains for Wounds Muscle and Back Pain:

Juicy Fruit
Platinum OG
Green Crack
Blue Dream

Neuropathic Pain

Neuropathic pain, also known as nerve pain, affects more than 3 million Americans every year.

There are two primary causes of chronic, neuropathic pain: tissue damage and damage to the central nervous system. Basically, car accident victims and Fibromyalgia patients alike are familiar with this life-changing symptom.

Studies show that low doses of vaporized cannabis can significantly help neuropathic pain. If you experience tissue damage from an accident, consuming cannabis and applying a topical can ease inflammation and numb a localized area.

In the case of issues with the Central Nervous System, using marijuana may also be able to help. THC and CBD are documented to relieve nerve pain caused by Multiple Sclerosis and similar diseases. They do this by reducing inflammation in the brain as well as by regulating pain signals released by your cells.

All of the below strains have high levels of neuroprotective terpenes. Some of these terpenes may amplify the natural preventative properties of THC and CBD. Patients who may benefit from these strains:

Accident and Injury Victims
HIV/AIDS Patients
Fibromyalgia Patients
MS Patients
Cancer Patients

Here are a few strains that may help ease nerve pain

Jack Herer

Named for the famous activist and author, Jack Herer is a sativa-dominant hybrid truly deserving of the title. A favorite seemingly all around the world, this happy flower has uplifting and energizing effects. While indicas are typically the weed species of choice for chronic pain, this strain has a few pain-fighting tricks up its sleeve.

A well-grown Jack H. is full of natural painkillers. THC is just one of the analgesics in this strain. The others? You guessed it. Terpenoid nutrients.

One of the primary terpenes in Jack Herer is Pinine. Pinine is responsible for this strain’s woody, Pine-Sol taste. In recent studies, pinene has been proven to have antitumor effects. In fact, a 2013 study showed that pinine was effective in preventing cancer cell proliferation in the brain.

When grown hydroponically, this strain has shown soaring levels of other neuroprotective terpenes as well. These flavor compounds help reduce stress and tissue inflammation. When you smoke or eat some Jack Herer, you’re consuming these medicinal terpenes along with it. These powerful nutrients help keep your brain healthy and ease pain.

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SuperBud

Another aptly named strain, this flower is like the superfood of the marijuana world. Just take a look at these terpene levels:

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Impressive, right? Especially considering that many strains may only produce 2-6% of these aromatic compounds.

All of these flavor molecules make this one pungent indica. High levels of myrcene give this strain a musky, dried-mango aroma. Also expect a bit of spice, and hints of wood and hops. First bred by Green House Seeds, this strain is said to have “almost narcotic” effects.

The nearly “narcotic” buzz this strain provides is caused by the strong pain fighting and brain-boosting compounds produced by this flower.

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Additional Strains That May Help Neuropathic Pain:

The strains listed above are only a few of the marijuana types that may relieve nerve pain. Make sure to take a look at these as well:

Blueberry
Obama Kush
Sour Grape
Lemon Thai
One-to-One
Sour Haze

Arthritis and Inflammatory Pain

As we’ve mentioned several times in this article marijuana is a strong anti-inflammatory. Inflammation is one of the most common sources of pain. By alleviating inflammation, you also ease pain. Marijuana can treat arthritis pain and inflammation.

For both Rheumatoid and Osteoarthritis patients, over-the-counter pain medications like aspirin and Tylenol® are often suggested by doctors. A 1988 study conducted in London found that CBD was up to 4 times more effective than aspirin at relieving inflammatory pain.

Researchers at the German University of Bonn have found that deficiencies in the endocannabinoid system may lead to bone weakness. Bone and joint weakness is one of the primary causes of osteoarthritis in aging adults.

CBD may be able to help. Researchers know that CBD interacts with certain cell receptors in our bodies. Namely, the CB2 receptor. In their study, German researchers found that mice without CB2 receptors had weaker bones.

We do not know precisely how CBD, the endocannabinoid system, and osteoarthritis are related. But, we do know that this is something worth studying.

The strains featured in this section are wonderful for arthritis. But, the truth is, these particular flowers are helpful for the treatment of nearly any kind of pain. Green House’s Super Bud is surely nutritious, but these strains stand apart in a category of their own.

Back in the early days of marijuana, weed wasn’t all that potent. By potent, we mean that it didn’t have much THC. Once we realized that THC was the primary psychoactive in cannabis, we decided to breed strains with a ton of it.

The only problem with that? By breeding out other cannabinoids in favor of adding in more THC, we overlooked the incredible therapeutic potential of the herb’s other nutritious compounds. The strains listed below have bred those highly medical compounds back in. CBD in particular.

High CBD Strains For Pain

Harlequin

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Harlequin is a truly must-try strain for anyone experiencing pain. This sativa-dominant hybrid gives its users a highly unique experience. Harlequin always has a 5-to-2 ratio of CBD to THC. CBD is a known antipsychotic. This means that it reduces the psychoactive, anxious and paranoid side effects of smoking too much THC.

The result of this well-balanced combo is a mellow and painless high. For medical patients looking to avoid the strong cerebral effect of THC, this strain might be for you. At its best, Harlequin will have a musty, forest odor.

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Cannatonic

Cannatonic is another amazingly therapeutic strain. Terpene and cannabinoid-rich, this flower contains a nearly one-to-one ratio of CBD and THC. A popular choice for patients suffering from chronic pain, this is another strain hits very smooth and mellow. Because of it’s high concentrations of CBD, Cannatonic will not give you a mind-melting, psychoactive experience.

Great for daytime pain relief, try this strain before heading off to work or doing something sociable. High levels of lavender-scented linalool supplement this strain’s calm, relaxed effect. Expect a musky, floral aroma with hints of spice.

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Additional Strains That May Help Neuropathic Pain:

One-to-One
Charlotte’s Web
ACDC

Strains That Will Help You Sleep

Whether it’s from a bad headache or a muscle cramp, sleeping through the night can be nearly impossible when you’re in pain. Here are a few heavy indicas that are sure to knock you out:

Granddaddy Purple
Hindu Kush
LA Confidential
Critical Mass
Bubba Kush

Strains To Combat Pain-Related Depression:

If you or a loved one experience chronic pain, then you’re familiar with the way pain seems to creep into every facet of your life. Depression is a side effect of pain that can be just as debilitating.

Marijuana is an anti-depressant and it can help improve your quality of life. Studies have looked at the ways cannabis helps people cope with illnesses and conditions of all different kinds. Regardless of whether or not the herb was effective at treating the condition itself, patients around the world have improved the quality of their lives with the herb.

To combat the depression and stress associated with chronic strains, you might want to give these strains a try:

Amnesia Haze
Sour Diesel
Pineapple Express
Cinex
Girl Scout Cookies
Strawberry Cough
 
Wow what a wealth of information Ms. Sue. I have to save this So I can pour over it at my leisure.
Ps I have the book.

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Good morning. Gonna be a good one

Phrum the light room.
 
Wow what a wealth of information Ms. Sue. I have to save this So I can pour over it at my leisure.
Ps I have the book.

Phrum the light room.

Good to hear Jacob. :battingeyelashes: :Love: Take his instructions to heart. It's not about putting it into practice, it's about absorbing the information and then letting your subconscious create spontaneous change. It's a sure-fire method. I just bought mine last weekend and it's already changing my life. That's why I was so pushy about it. :laughtwo:
 
Hey Mr. Sue.. I was looking for a lemon grass juicer. Just for future reference to search for this item to juice with search - Masticating Juicer.
Is this correct ?

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Hey Mr. Sue.. I was looking for a lemon grass juicer. Just for future reference to search for this item to juice with search - Masticating Juicer.
Is this correct ?

Phrum the light room.


Wouldn't it be better to juice the entire plant into juice form. Then cook down veg seperately ? Decarb juice from veg and cap ? Just curious. It seems like if it was better you guys would've done it already.
 
Awesome info Sue! I hope you finally got to sleep. I wish companies would post terpene breakdown of their strains. It's amazing that they add to the medicinal value. It makes sense though, since that is how animals know to eat certain plants depending on what they need. There's a reason they know what to eat and it's the scent. It only makes sense that the smell would be indicative of the medicinal properties of a plant.

Sent from this funny device I carry around and still call a phone even though I hardly ever make calls with it.
 
Wouldn't it be better to juice the entire plant into juice form. Then cook down veg seperately ? Decarb juice from veg and cap ? Just curious. It seems like if it was better you guys would've done it already.

The purpose of mashing it down in the oil is to retain as much of the meds as possible in that oil. Although a juicer would break it down faster I'm sure something gets lost in the machine. I'd rather keep all of the plant in the oil. It mashes up very easily when it's fresh harvested, and the immersion blender makes it possible to do that in the pot you're going to use to cook down. Less mess and cleanup - always a good thing.
 
The purpose of mashing it down in the oil is to retain as much of the meds as possible in that oil. Although a juicer would break it down faster I'm sure something gets lost in the machine. I'd rather keep all of the plant in the oil. It mashes up very easily when it's fresh harvested, and the immersion blender makes it possible to do that in the pot you're going to use to cook down. Less mess and cleanup - always a good thing.
Immersion blender. Got it. I'm overthinking here.

Phrum the light room.
 
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