Pretty good. I check every 10 mins to stir and make sure it's up to temp
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K, it's 14 oz of fresh bud, the basic equivalent of 100 grams dry in that same volume of oil. I'm pretty certain the cannabinoid numbers would be calculated based on a dry weight. I don't think it works the same way applying that calculation to wet weight.
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I'm also interested in what you might get from a second batch. I don't know if you'll want to use that much carrier oil though. It's gonna be very cooked down.
Well see what I'm left with after it cooks down, then we'll get together and decide how much more carrier oil to add.
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I gonna go sculpt this body closer to trophy wife mode while I wait on you to finish. 
Oh! Then, my apologies! I did NOT realize this was fresh and not dried bud! It would NOT work the same way!
Canna, Mr K,
The buds are fresh.
To refigure,
400g buds would dry out to about 100g, 15% of 100=15g of extract.
15g divided into 500ml/g=30mg.
Mr. K, your numbers are correct for dry.
I don't know what the saturation point for coconut oil is either. It would be good to know. It would be good to know for ethyl and iso also.
Canna, My project is capped and done, though I need to work with what is left in the mash.
I would strain or filter what you can. I filtered mine. What I have done with the leftover mash is add the filters into it and a good amount of water. Then I reheated it to near boiling, stirred well and refrigerated it. The plain is to pull the hardened oil off the top leaving most of the plant stuff behind.
I have been taking one cap about every hour. I am at a nice place and the high is increasing. When I started I had a light buzz. That leaves finding out how fast they act until tomorrow morning. The short term plan is to take one an hour until I don't want one an hour, or, until I go to bed.
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canyon
The buds are fresh.
To refigure,
400g buds would dry out to about 100g, 15% of 100=15g of extract.
15g divided into 500ml/g=30mg.
Mr. K, your numbers are correct for dry.
I don't know what the saturation point for coconut oil is either. It would be good to know. It would be good to know for ethyl and iso also.
Canna, My project is capped and done, though I need to work with what is left in the mash.
I would strain or filter what you can. I filtered mine. What I have done with the leftover mash is add the filters into it and a good amount of water. Then I reheated it to near boiling, stirred well and refrigerated it. The plain is to pull the hardened oil off the top leaving most of the plant stuff behind.
I have been taking one cap about every hour. I am at a nice place and the high is increasing. When I started I had a light buzz. That leaves finding out how fast they act until tomorrow morning. The short term plan is to take one an hour until I don't want one an hour, or, until I go to bed.
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canyon
Yeah, Sue corrected my oversight. Not sure how I missed it other than I've always used dry, personally. Thanks!
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Canyon, you're such a cannabis warrior.
Great idea on the leftovers. Let's see what you get and if it's worth the effort. I guess it's always worth the effort if you have some way to utilize it. Leave no cannabinoid behind. Lol!
lazyfish
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However, the challenge you face, and this is an UNKNOWN to me
THC and the cannabinoids could be miscible with oils and alcohols. If I remember correctly limonene and some other terpenes are miscible in non polar solvents (like oils) but not in water (which is polar).
If the saturation point of a substance is reached, any excess will usually precipitate to the bottom of the vessel as a salt, or some other unrecognizable goo.
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THC and the cannabinoids could be miscible with oils and alcohols. If I remember correctly limonene and some other terpenes are miscible in non polar solvents (like oils) but not in water (which is polar).
If the saturation point of a substance is reached, any excess will usually precipitate to the bottom of the vessel as a salt, or some other unrecognizable goo.
But the excess we're talking about here would be an oil. Oil wouldn't sink, it would float.
THC and the cannabinoids could be miscible with oils and alcohols. If I remember correctly limonene and some other terpenes are miscible in non polar solvents (like oils) but not in water (which is polar).
If the saturation point of a substance is reached, any excess will usually precipitate to the bottom of the vessel as a salt, or some other unrecognizable goo.
This is really on the edge of my understanding.
After your post I am thinking that the coco oil penetrates the plant and the tricoms, dissolves the oil and is dispersed outward by dilution. If that is the case, then the challenge is to get the cannabinoids into the coco oil. We can get the oil out of the plant.
What we cannot do is reduce/concentrate the mix. Could running another batch of fresh material with the same oil come close to doubling the strength of a Bio Bomb?
I never know
canyon
THC and the cannabinoids could be miscible with oils and alcohols. If I remember correctly limonene and some other terpenes are miscible in non polar solvents (like oils) but not in water (which is polar).
If the saturation point of a substance is reached, any excess will usually precipitate to the bottom of the vessel as a salt, or some other unrecognizable goo.
If you were mixing RSO/CCO with the butter or oil, I do believe they would be 100% miscible. However, using the butter/oil as the solvent to wash the trichomes, I do believe there would be SOME saturation point.
It's an interesting question as to what the saturation point would be, but as long as it's not 14 oz. of dried buds going into the 500ml of oil, I don't think it will be an issue.
I also believe the actual saturation point would be highly dependent on the amount of trichomes in the specific bud being used and the specific type of butter/oil (right down to the brand due to different fat contents, additives, etc.).
I'm not sure there would be any one formula to determine this on a "broad range" but I know I wouldn't want to exceed whatever the saturation point would be when making my butter/oil. At SOME point, it would be better to make RSO/CCO and dilute that with the oil rather than trying to use the oil to extract the level of THC present in RSO/CCO.
All that being said, I really introduced the whole potential saturation point threshold when I misread the original post and didn't realize it was fresh buds being used!
I infused olive oil a week or so ago. It's got yellowish crystals in the bottom of it.THC and the cannabinoids could be miscible with oils and alcohols. If I remember correctly limonene and some other terpenes are miscible in non polar solvents (like oils) but not in water (which is polar).
If the saturation point of a substance is reached, any excess will usually precipitate to the bottom of the vessel as a salt, or some other unrecognizable goo.
What you ate saying is my oil is to its saturation point and all the "stuff" on the bottom is extra meds?
lazyfish
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Hmmm. If there is a saturation point, then the yellow crystals could be. Sometimes crystals will grow larger over time in a saturated solution (cold helps). I don't think any of us really know whether oil becomes saturated with cannabinoids, or if they are miscible.
The easy way to find out would be to get yourself some pure THC and start dumping it into some oil until it does not continue to dissolve. This is the saturation point... I was sort of joking when I wrote this last bit because who actually has pure THC? But, this might actually work with some really good hash.
If they are not miscible ad there was a specific saturation point of cannabinoids in oil, this number (usually recognized as grams/ Liter) could be used to figure out exact dosing regardless of the original strength of the raw bud.
A lot of compounds have these saturation points listed in their MSDS with water as the solvent. I have not seen too many that list saturation points in oil, but the info has to be somewhere.
Its hard to really estimate the properties on the macro scale based on the molecular structure of a compound, but THC and the other cannabinoids are rather large molecules, and I could speculate that there is a saturation point in oil...
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Wouldn't that be the tricombs themselves that would be saturating the oil? Tricombs I would think would have differing strength based on the plant's potency.Hmmm. If there is a saturation point, then the yellow crystals could be. Sometimes crystals will grow larger over time in a saturated solution (cold helps). I don't think any of us really know whether oil becomes saturated with cannabinoids, or if they are miscible.
The easy way to find out would be to get yourself some pure THC and start dumping it into some oil until it does not continue to dissolve. This is the saturation point... I was sort of joking when I wrote this last bit because who actually has pure THC? But, this might actually work with some really good hash.
If they are not miscible ad there was a specific saturation point of cannabinoids in oil, this number (usually recognized as grams/ Liter) could be used to figure out exact dosing regardless of the original strength of the raw bud.
A lot of compounds have these saturation points listed in their MSDS with water as the solvent. I have not seen too many that list saturation points in oil, but the info has to be somewhere.
Its hard to really estimate the properties on the macro scale based on the molecular structure of a compound, but THC and the other cannabinoids are rather large molecules, and I could speculate that there is a saturation point in oil...
For example, you could have a super resinous plant that is middling strength and a plant with very little resin that is also very potent. The hash from each plant would have a very different concentration of caniboids per volume I would think.
I may not be thinking about it properly. I didn't pay near enough attention in chemistry.
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That's correct! Depending on strain, pheno, etc. the trichomes will contain different ratios of the cannabinoids (THC, CBD, etc.), so lots of trichomes do not necessarily mean lots of THC. However, in a high THC strain/pheno, since it's where the THC is located, high amounts of trichomes are a good indication of potency.
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Subbing in. Thought I already had a while back. Been wondering why I wasn't getting notices.
Great topic of discussion!
Great topic of discussion!
KingstonRabbi
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I'll be making my first batch later this month. Ordering a water still for that. I also juice and save the juicing leftovers for oil making.
I was using full extract CO until Washington law changed in July. Medical dispensaries and suppliers were effectively run out of business so the state could tax it. Recreational stores don't carry oil I can use or charge up to $150/gram for it. So for the cost of a 1 month supply I've set up a large grow.
And by the way, thanks for the welcome.
I was using full extract CO until Washington law changed in July. Medical dispensaries and suppliers were effectively run out of business so the state could tax it. Recreational stores don't carry oil I can use or charge up to $150/gram for it. So for the cost of a 1 month supply I've set up a large grow.
And by the way, thanks for the welcome.