RSO is "Rick Simpson Oil" which is also generically called "Concentrated Cannabis Oil (CCO)". I think MagicalButter calls it "Magical Butter Oil (MBO)" which is also the same.
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RSO is "Rick Simpson Oil" which is also generically called "Concentrated Cannabis Oil (CCO)". I think MagicalButter calls it "Magical Butter Oil (MBO)" which is also the same.
Heys sue. Cheers to you.. Will be making my first attempt at making oil tonight. Small amount as per the video link you provided me. Thank you again for that. Got me missus on board so it will be a snap. Will keep you posted. Cheers agin
So, I'm all about expiramentation. Yeah, I could up the Cco ratio to 5:1, but I like the idea of making the oils differently. Since we can't test if there is a difference between raising the Cco, or adding infused oil instead of plain oil, I think I'll keep doing it like this. I'm actually contemplating making a half coconut oil cco caps with the other half being olive oil cco to see if it has more of a time released dose since they both absorb differently.
Now, I can sit here and think about how to do that all day long, but won't know if it works till I try it, which means making 2 batches of each. Then I'd have to put the coconut oil mix in first, let it solidify, then put the olive oil on top and seal them up. So ratios of both would be about 50/50.
Wrap your head around that for a bit and let me know what you think. You and Sue, and canyon are at the top of my go to list of people when it comes to making oil.
Thanks for the RSO meaning. I knew I had seen it before, and I remembered it as soon as you said what it is.
So, I'm all about expiramentation. Yeah, I could up the Cco ratio to 5:1, but I like the idea of making the oils differently. Since we can't test if there is a difference between raising the Cco, or adding infused oil instead of plain oil, I think I'll keep doing it like this. I'm actually contemplating making a half coconut oil cco caps with the other half being olive oil cco to see if it has more of a time released dose since they both absorb differently.
Now, I can sit here and think about how to do that all day long, but won't know if it works till I try it, which means making 2 batches of each. Then I'd have to put the coconut oil mix in first, let it solidify, then put the olive oil on top and seal them up. So ratios of both would be about 50/50.
Wrap your head around that for a bit and let me know what you think. You and Sue, and canyon are at the top of my go to list of people when it comes to making oil.
Thanks for the RSO meaning. I knew I had seen it before, and I remembered it as soon as you said what it is.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I totally dig the idea of using the infused oil!
My point was simply that, if you're trying to dose 50mg of THC, you now have to consider the THC content of the carrier oil in addition to the THC content of the CCO to get an accurate dosage (if that's even possible without lab testing!).
We have no idea what MG we are taking, do we Sue?Oh, don't get me wrong, I totally dig the idea of using the infused oil!
My point was simply that, if you're trying to dose 50mg of THC, you now have to consider the THC content of the carrier oil in addition to the THC content of the CCO to get an accurate dosage (if that's even possible without lab testing!).
Here's another good article I just came across:
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Absolutely. It'd be irresponsible to do it any other way, even knowing what we know about the safety of cannabis as a medicinal herb. But this gives us the potential to get the oil extractions closer to the higher doses one gets from CCO as needed for some of the more serious treatments.
I find myself looking for alternatives to using ethanol. I'm not happy about using ethanol. It's expensive and hard to access in too many places in the world. Too many people looking for real answers are frustrated by this solvent. Oils, not so much, and unlike ethanol, they offer additional healing benefits of their own. If we can find ways to get the results we look for with oil extractions I'm all for it.
Everyone needs more options.
The monoterpenes degrade quickly. You'll lose around 35% in the first week and over 60% by the end of the second week. That's not to say you don't make a very good point. I think it's worth at least letting the plant hang overnight to let the wash evaporate and the chlorophyll effect run its course. It shouldn't make much difference in the end. I can weigh it before the wash to get my totals for the ratio of plant to oil.
Ok, I'm game. It makes too much sense not to do it. I'll harvest on Sunday and do the fresh plant oil extraction on Monday, bright and early. That way I'll be through the process before you're ready to start Canyon.
The testing part is rough on you. I understand. Lol! The things we do for science, eh?
This seems to be a go-to method of utilizing marginal plant material, which is really the wrong way to look at it. All parts of the plant are valuable from a medicinal standpoint. Someday we'll know what part of the plant to choose for the oil we need to treat particular illness, based on lab results of researchers who finally got the chance to turn themselves loose and study cannabis the way they've wanted to for years.
You made this lab rat very happy nivek. My best to your lab rat partner.
So, I'm all about expiramentation. Yeah, I could up the Cco ratio to 5:1, but I like the idea of making the oils differently. Since we can't test if there is a difference between raising the Cco, or adding infused oil instead of plain oil, I think I'll keep doing it like this. I'm actually contemplating making a half coconut oil cco caps with the other half being olive oil cco to see if it has more of a time released dose since they both absorb differently.
Now, I can sit here and think about how to do that all day long, but won't know if it works till I try it, which means making 2 batches of each. Then I'd have to put the coconut oil mix in first, let it solidify, then put the olive oil on top and seal them up. So ratios of both would be about 50/50.
Wrap your head around that for a bit and let me know what you think. You and Sue, and canyon are at the top of my go to list of people when it comes to making oil.
Thanks for the RSO meaning. I knew I had seen it before, and I remembered it as soon as you said what it is.
I don't think you'll need to bother separating the oils. I think you can fill half the capsule with one oil and top it off with the other. The oils will be absorbed where they normally would. They get broken down after they hit the stomach. Digestion should take care of it for you.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I totally dig the idea of using the infused oil!
My point was simply that, if you're trying to dose 50mg of THC, you now have to consider the THC content of the carrier oil in addition to the THC content of the CCO to get an accurate dosage (if that's even possible without lab testing!).
I can't see how it can be possible without lab testing. Won't that be a glorious day? The day we have easy and affordable access to lab testing of our extractions so we know precisely what's in there? Even if you choose to avoid strict dosing, knowing what's in the oil is an invaluable resource for the person in charge of your care.
I'm sure it can be guessed at Canna, and come within reasonable accuracy, but no, without testing we have no idea what we're dealing with. All extraction methods give a different return, all extractions, for that matter are so individual that it's foolish to assume one will mirror another. We work with a plant that's never killed anyone and has almost no side effects to be concerned with. That's what's saving our ass.
I agree 420% on everything you said! The challenge we ALL face is that the CCO is basically a pure extraction. It's like an essential oil (i.e. lavendar oil or rosemary oil, etc.). It's extracted with a solvent that is later evaporated leaving the pure oil.
The oil extraction method takes that same essential cannabis oil and "dissolves" it into a carrier oil which can NOT later be evaporated, so we can never end up with as pure an extract as we can get from the CCO.
You all know I'm a BIG believer in oil extracts for making edibles, caps, etc. for both recreation and relief of lesser serious (for lack of a better term!) ailments.
But, if fighting something like cancer, I personally would want the purest extract possible.
I was reading an article earlier that said many serious, but perhaps non-life-threatening ailments do NOT require working up to 1 g/day of CCO. Those ailments included, among other things, MS & Parkinsons and many others where they said a maintenance dose was usually plenty to deal with those types of symptoms.
(NOTE: Give me a few minutes and I'll see if I can find the article!)
Point being, if it's a matter of life & death, IMHO, go with the pure extract!
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What is wrong with using ethanol?
OK...here's the relevant portion of the article, which is VERY long, but right up your alley, so you may have seen it before:
NOTE: In the above article she says:
This is a typo!!! One gram is 1,000 mg and NOT 100 mg as stated, so 1/20th would be a 50 mg dose for maintenance.
NOTE: In the above article she says:
This is a typo!!! One gram is 1,000 mg and NOT 100 mg as stated, so 1/20th would be a 50 mg dose for maintenance.
Here's one more piece of that same article that's very relevant to your cap's and how you dose (and, why I think you may have seen the article before! 
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A cautionary point about Stoney Girl: yes, I've seen this article, and I've pulled information from it. This was where the chart came from that I use for capsule ratios.
However, this same article was the impetus for a serious falling out I had with cajuncelt that nearly cost me his friendship. There's a history behind Stoney Girl that I don't fully understand, that was tied in some way to BadKat and her edible info and resulted in lawsuits and some big bruhaha that I couldn't be bothered at the time to chase down. In our heated discussion about it Cajun mentioned that Stoney Girl Farms had rushed this information into their site without really understanding what they were dealing with.
This makes everything from Stoney Girl suspect, so we need to be more vigilant about double-checking things, like the serious typo K found that halved the maintenance dose.
So, use the information, because there's a wealth of it to glean from, but let's be extremely cautious and triple-check our assumptions.
It's times like this I wish Cajun wasn't so absent. We could really use his help here.
However, this same article was the impetus for a serious falling out I had with cajuncelt that nearly cost me his friendship. There's a history behind Stoney Girl that I don't fully understand, that was tied in some way to BadKat and her edible info and resulted in lawsuits and some big bruhaha that I couldn't be bothered at the time to chase down. In our heated discussion about it Cajun mentioned that Stoney Girl Farms had rushed this information into their site without really understanding what they were dealing with.
This makes everything from Stoney Girl suspect, so we need to be more vigilant about double-checking things, like the serious typo K found that halved the maintenance dose.
So, use the information, because there's a wealth of it to glean from, but let's be extremely cautious and triple-check our assumptions.
It's times like this I wish Cajun wasn't so absent. We could really use his help here.
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I woke up this morning to a PM from gudyul, sharing an article about skin conditions and the underlying causes. His concern was that I may be complicating the psoriasis by using olive oil on it. Well, the cream I use is a coconut oil base, so that's not the concern. However, a cursory reading through the materials he linked has alerted me to the reality that the almond oil I mixed it with to enhance permeability is completely wrong for me, and may well be the reason that I've plateaued in healing the general patches, and my impulsive application of the olive oil-based CBD extraction I made the other day may have caused the patches on my face to flare up all over again.
Frustrating, but now I know what may have caused the complication and can adapt my approach.
For anyone interested, here's the copy of his PM to me with the link to the article.
I must take a moment here to thank him publically for keeping after me about this. As I recall, this is the second time he's attempted to catch my eye with this important information. Sometimes persistence actually pays off.
Let's see if I can come to a deeper understanding of the root causes so the solution becomes clearer. I'm determined to have clear skin again. It's surprised and humbled me to realize how compromised my own ECS must be to perpetuate this imbalance.
Frustrating, but now I know what may have caused the complication and can adapt my approach.
For anyone interested, here's the copy of his PM to me with the link to the article.
gudyul said:
I must take a moment here to thank him publically for keeping after me about this. As I recall, this is the second time he's attempted to catch my eye with this important information. Sometimes persistence actually pays off.
Let's see if I can come to a deeper understanding of the root causes so the solution becomes clearer. I'm determined to have clear skin again. It's surprised and humbled me to realize how compromised my own ECS must be to perpetuate this imbalance.
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What a blessing Keith, an entire plant, right out of the ground. Did you do a little jig?
It is a blessing, Karma has a way of paying back, at least in my experiences. A good friend of over 30 years runs a Co-op, and a few of us helped fund her startup, but only as loan since banks wouldn't touch the business. Full paperwork was drafted and signed (it wasn't a pocket loan) and she was able to work hard and paid us back in just three years later. She now supports her four children and employs two full time people at a livable salary. Great story all around, all founded on hard work and the support of good trustworthy friends.
I spoke to her last weekend about my "efforts" for my son, not intending to ask for anything, just catching up after a couple of months of life over a spliff and coffee (she knows his challenges and life story since birth). I relayed what information I have assimilated, and we were discussing breeding and strains, and out of the blue she offered me "Medical Strain" cuttings. I was four or five hits into the joint and rather well buzzed when she told me that's what we were smoking, 7% THC - 7% CBD. I'm new to the Medical uses of Cannabis in general, but I'm not naive and certainly not formally educated in the matter. I thought the MM strains with THC around 4-7 % and equal CBD values would be lower end buzz herb ... NOT! It was righteous and controlled high with a very calming effect. Herb has been my safe pleasure thing during most of my life (well safer than daily alcohol or hard drugs ... dumb ass laws were more hazardous to my life than the plant), and this was a familiar yet different feeling.
So, I gladly accept some branches from her Mom plant, brought four cuttings home and started the rooting process. The next day she called me and thought she wasn't paying it forward enough, and wanted me to have one of her almost ripe greenhouse plants cloned from the same Mom. If said no way! Those four cuttings are more than plenty of positive Karma, and in 120 days he'll be flush with medicine for many months. But she insisted that I get the cuttings established and bring them back for her to grow out through November. I eventually agreed since it's not for my immediate benefit (it's all for my boy), and poof, Karma shone bright on my Sunday! After 5 days, he is doing well on the 40:1 Caps and already says he feels looser and less tight and movement restricted, but no pain reduction yet. I am STOKED that he feels anything positive and nothing negative! Such a relief that he easily tolerated 40:1 caps 4x a day. Sunday will start the 30:1 caps, and I pray the efficacy continues as the dosage is increased.
Thanks Sue, my daughter in law said to send that lady a virtual hug ... I don't see that kind of icon thingy so
Keith
It is a blessing, Karma has a way of paying back, at least in my experiences. A good friend of over 30 years runs a Co-op, and a few of us helped fund her startup, but only as loan since banks wouldn't touch the business. Full paperwork was drafted and signed (it wasn't a pocket loan) and she was able to work hard and paid us back in just three years later. She now supports her four children and employs two full time people at a livable salary. Great story all around, all founded on hard work and the support of good trustworthy friends.
I spoke to her last weekend about my "efforts" for my son, not intending to ask for anything, just catching up after a couple of months of life over a spliff and coffee (she knows his challenges and life story since birth). I relayed what information I have assimilated, and we were discussing breeding and strains, and out of the blue she offered me "Medical Strain" cuttings. I was four or five hits into the joint and rather well buzzed when she told me that's what we were smoking, 7% THC - 7% CBD. I'm new to the Medical uses of Cannabis in general, but I'm not naive and certainly not formally educated in the matter. I thought the MM strains with THC around 4-7 % and equal CBD values would be lower end buzz herb ... NOT! It was righteous and controlled high with a very calming effect. Herb has been my safe pleasure thing during most of my life (well safer than daily alcohol or hard drugs ... dumb ass laws were more hazardous to my life than the plant), and this was a familiar yet different feeling.
So, I gladly accept some branches from her Mom plant, brought four cuttings home and started the rooting process. The next day she called me and thought she wasn't paying it forward enough, and wanted me to have one of her almost ripe greenhouse plants cloned from the same Mom. If said no way! Those four cuttings are more than plenty of positive Karma, and in 120 days he'll be flush with medicine for many months. But she insisted that I get the cuttings established and bring them back for her to grow out through November. I eventually agreed since it's not for my immediate benefit (it's all for my boy), and poof, Karma shone bright on my Sunday! After 5 days, he is doing well on the 40:1 Caps and already says he feels looser and less tight and movement restricted, but no pain reduction yet. I am STOKED that he feels anything positive and nothing negative! Such a relief that he easily tolerated 40:1 caps 4x a day. Sunday will start the 30:1 caps, and I pray the efficacy continues as the dosage is increased.
Thanks Sue, my daughter in law said to send that lady a virtual hug ... I don't see that kind of icon thingy so
Keith
That's awesome, Brother!
When you put out good into this world, good has a way of coming back to you!
Glad to hear your son is finding some relief!
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It is a blessing, Karma has a way of paying back, at least in my experiences. A good friend of over 30 years runs a Co-op, and a few of us helped fund her startup, but only as loan since banks wouldn't touch the business. Full paperwork was drafted and signed (it wasn't a pocket loan) and she was able to work hard and paid us back in just three years later. She now supports her four children and employs two full time people at a livable salary. Great story all around, all founded on hard work and the support of good trustworthy friends.
I spoke to her last weekend about my "efforts" for my son, not intending to ask for anything, just catching up after a couple of months of life over a spliff and coffee (she knows his challenges and life story since birth). I relayed what information I have assimilated, and we were discussing breeding and strains, and out of the blue she offered me "Medical Strain" cuttings. I was four or five hits into the joint and rather well buzzed when she told me that's what we were smoking, 7% THC - 7% CBD. I'm new to the Medical uses of Cannabis in general, but I'm not naive and certainly not formally educated in the matter. I thought the MM strains with THC around 4-7 % and equal CBD values would be lower end buzz herb ... NOT! It was righteous and controlled high with a very calming effect. Herb has been my safe pleasure thing during most of my life (well safer than daily alcohol or hard drugs ... dumb ass laws were more hazardous to my life than the plant), and this was a familiar yet different feeling.
So, I gladly accept some branches from her Mom plant, brought four cuttings home and started the rooting process. The next day she called me and thought she wasn't paying it forward enough, and wanted me to have one of her almost ripe greenhouse plants cloned from the same Mom. If said no way! Those four cuttings are more than plenty of positive Karma, and in 120 days he'll be flush with medicine for many months. But she insisted that I get the cuttings established and bring them back for her to grow out through November. I eventually agreed since it's not for my immediate benefit (it's all for my boy), and poof, Karma shone bright on my Sunday! After 5 days, he is doing well on the 40:1 Caps and already says he feels looser and less tight and movement restricted, but no pain reduction yet. I am STOKED that he feels anything positive and nothing negative! Such a relief that he easily tolerated 40:1 caps 4x a day. Sunday will start the 30:1 caps, and I pray the efficacy continues as the dosage is increased.
Thanks Sue, my daughter in law said to send that lady a virtual hug ... I don't see that kind of icon thingy so
Keith
Brought tears to my eyes Keith. Let me compose myself.
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All those crazy hours I put in studying and sifting through all the fluff on the Internet to find those sparkly pieces of valuable information....... this is what propels me. These profound changes on the way to even more profound changes that make such a dramatic difference in people's lives.
Thank you Keith, for overcoming that reticence to be out in the arena and to share so deeply with us. Someday, someone who thought they'd never find information on this particular challenge will stumble upon this and be amazed, just like we are.
I hope the sense of wonder at the sheer potential of the healing capabilities of cannabis never dulls for me. I can't see how that would ever be a concern.
I look forward to that day when you hit the level that begins to diminish pain. We know it's ahead, it's just a matter of time. Isn't it wonderful that even at such a low dose he's able to regain flexibility. This is tremendously significant, wouldn't you say?
Thank you Keith, for overcoming that reticence to be out in the arena and to share so deeply with us. Someday, someone who thought they'd never find information on this particular challenge will stumble upon this and be amazed, just like we are.
I hope the sense of wonder at the sheer potential of the healing capabilities of cannabis never dulls for me. I can't see how that would ever be a concern.
I look forward to that day when you hit the level that begins to diminish pain. We know it's ahead, it's just a matter of time. Isn't it wonderful that even at such a low dose he's able to regain flexibility. This is tremendously significant, wouldn't you say?
KeifKeith
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Thank YOU Sue!
Reading your life story the past two years on 420Magazine is what really gave me courage to post all this very personal stuff for the world to see. I would have been much more comfortable PM ing all of this, but you are here helping many others, and that method would only help me. I thought (for those offended by prayer), probably too much, and finally decided it was just selfish emotions, and that shouldn't hinder my drive to help my son live a better life. Most of what I have learned about MM is from situational dialog, advice or guidance directed a specific ailment or issue. I felt that PM was using you for myself, and not sharing useful information this whole crazy place is designed to share. We are similar in many ways I believe, and your posts during Dales' roughest times were inspirational and downright soul touching. You are one strong woman Susan. I am not an exhibitionist in general ... did a guy that plays and sings on stage in front strangers just type that? I'm not introverted in life or in person, quite the opposite in fact, but never would I have thought I would post all of this about my son on a an Internet forum! I truly hope it helps someone else someday.
You calling for the rest of your life seems obvious to me. It may morph and change slightly, but somehow I think you know what your purpose is for a few years at minimum. Life always seems to have it forks in the road and challenges that popup, but you, like I, take both the punches and flowers with gratitude for the time and experience. Joy and happiness are usually available for our choosing, most of the time, and we choose to be happy, one minute at a time if required.
I am so happy that this new path in medicine for my son has already increased his quality of life, more than I can express. If I detailed the medical hell my boy has been though, it would be 100 pages long and probably be depressing. As a parent with a child that needs help, I know you understand, another reason I choose to open up to you about a personal problem. I am so ready to move him to full dosage, but after a few years of medical knowledge I know better, slow and steady is the right method. He wants to up it quicker too which is the best indication of its worth to his health and life!
Keith
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