SweetSue's Cannabis Oil Study Hall

Update on my dosing: I remembered to take 1 cap at 10:30 am, 2:30 PM, and 6:30 PM. Just took 2 caps at 10:30 PM to last all night, but will still take my usual 2 Naproxin Sodium (aleve). Hopefully I won't wake up with achy joints in the AM. Still no high, so I did it right. If I don't decarb, I don't get the THC high, which I don't want anyway.

I'm remembering to take a spoonful of peanut butter with that, since my oil of choice is coconut oil, and I have to keep the liver busy while the cap goes through the stomach.:;):

Well THAT worked! This morning I had almost no joint pain and was able to get around much better! I still didn't get high with 2 capsules, but sure worked on the pain. So there IS a place for fresh, non-carbed oil infusions. :-)

I have to qualify the results in that I still take the tylenol during the day and the aleve before bed, but the addition of the caps gives that extra relief that I have not felt for years! Certainly not totally pain-free, but much more mobile than before. And I can take a cap every 4 hours during the day and still drive, stay completely alert, and get stuff done!

:cheertwo:
 
Well THAT worked! This morning I had almost no joint pain and was able to get around much better! I still didn't get high with 2 capsules, but sure worked on the pain. So there IS a place for fresh, non-carbed oil infusions. :-)

I have to qualify the results in that I still take the tylenol during the day and the aleve before bed, but the addition of the caps gives that extra relief that I have not felt for years! Certainly not totally pain-free, but much more mobile than before. And I can take a cap every 4 hours during the day and still drive, stay completely alert, and get stuff done!

:cheertwo:

I can't tell you how happy I am to hear this. :yahoo: :yahoo: I still hold my breath every time. :laughtwo:

I'd expect you to have cumulative effects with this therapy. At some point you may be able to drop one or both of the over the counter meds. Even if that's not the case, this extra freedom from pain and discomfort will help you regain some mobility. Losing the pain behavior, the way we limit movement to limit pain expression, is one of those benefits people don't always mention.

I'm so happy for you girl I'm chortling with glee. :slide: :laughtwo:


Is gives me hope for the oil I made to help my friend with his pain. I'll know within two weeks if the test case had any relief from them.

This is a good day. A very good day. :circle-of-love:
 
Decarbing,

When I made the oil caps from kief, I decarbed the the trim before sifting the kief out into two grades. After I had everything mixed and refrigerated overnight, I wormed it on the keep worm spot on a flat top range. While I was capping the first batch I noticed the second batch had small bubbles. What to do? I decided to let it go and watch the temperature. I worked it up to 245 and the bubbles stopped after a short time.

Both batches work rather well.

The lecithin was in both grades/batches. So could the decarbing be postponed until after everything is out of the frig? Would decarbing with the oil and lecithin negate the need to refrigerate overnight? Would leaving the lecithin out until after the oil is decarbed be better? Anyone have ideas?

I never know
 
Decarbing,

The lecithin was in both grades/batches. So could the decarbing be postponed until after everything is out of the frig? Would decarbing with the oil and lecithin negate the need to refrigerate overnight? Would leaving the lecithin out until after the oil is decarbed be better? Anyone have ideas?

I never know

As a rule, I leave it out until after the decarbing is done, and the oil strained. I don't have a reason as to why I wait till then. It was just a step in the recipe, so i did it that way.
 
We got our first batch of CCO caps made with infused carrier oil yesterday. Canna likes. Lol

What did you make them out of? How effective would you rate them vs a joint?

Decarbing,

When I made the oil caps from kief, I decarbed the the trim before sifting the kief out into two grades. After I had everything mixed and refrigerated overnight, I wormed it on the keep worm spot on a flat top range. While I was capping the first batch I noticed the second batch had small bubbles. What to do? I decided to let it go and watch the temperature. I worked it up to 245 and the bubbles stopped after a short time.

Both batches work rather well.

The lecithin was in both grades/batches. So could the decarbing be postponed until after everything is out of the frig? Would decarbing with the oil and lecithin negate the need to refrigerate overnight? Would leaving the lecithin out until after the oil is decarbed be better? Anyone have ideas?

I never know

When you decarb, whatever method you choose, there likely will be some acid cannabinoids left. What you had happen was a total and complete decarb. This is something I don't necessarily worry about because there's great value in the acid cannabinoids as well that we're overlooking in our obsession with THC and CBD.

I don't know enough about the lecithin to be able to answer that question about the timing of the addition, but my gut tells me it doesn't really matter when you add it. It does matter that you give it the chill overnight. The refrigeration helps everything bond together that much better.
 
Since I don't decarb, (unless heating at close to 200F for 2.5 hours counts as decarbing) and I only have granulated lecithin, (which needs to dissolve) I added the lecithin during the cooking. Just mixing it in wasn't breaking up the granules.

In Sue's case, and others', you are treating people with serious illnesses, and so MUST decarb if they need the typical Cannabis effects.

When I first started experimenting with the caps and my own grows, I tried a number of combinations of leaves and buds, and oils/butter. I seem to be honing in on what works for me, and I am sharing my caps with a neighbor who uses homeopathic medicine, to see how they affect her pain levels.

As I said before, no one magic pill is going to eliminate all the pain, but with diet and various plant medicines, one can bring the pain down enough to function somewhat normally.

My meds are getting the "test" today. I went out shopping and also to the DMV to renew my driver's license. More walking on concrete surfaces than I like, but now that I'm home, we'll see how continued use of the caps alleviates the arthritis.
 
Debugging The Decarbing,

Well, there were actually three batches. The first was the BHO and Rosen that was 20:1 by actual cannabinoid content. From memory, I took 4 one day and 5 the next day. The two I had left I took on day 3 and I started another bath with kief.

The kief making did not go well. I wound up with 1.4g of respectable light brown and about 6g of poor leafy brown sugar..ish concentrate. The better of the two I mixed at 12:1 and it is about as strong as the first batch.

To the 6g batch I added enough oil and lecithen to get things mixed up. It turned out to be about 8:1. The plant matter settled out to be about 20% of the volume. I managed to get the clean oil off the top and packed the remainder into caps by scooping it up with the cap and packing it with a chop stick. That went better than I expected. The clean oil turned out about the same as the first two. The ones with the plant matter were not as strong but not by that much. With these I have taken anywhere from 4 to 9 per day.

When are you going to do the green trim and coconut batch?

Best
canyon
 
As a Partner in "canna curatives", here's a good article on dosing, etc.:

OH’s Law Of Cannabis Edible Potency
OH’s Law Of Cannabis Edible Potency - People have been asking me quite a bit lately “How the ^%#@! do I figure out the potency of home-made capsules or edibles?” So I thought I’d sit down (after one of my own capsules kicked in) and write it up once and for all.
Yes, the title is a play on “Ohm’s Law”, and just like Ohm’s Law, the real power is in knowing which form of the formula to use. So I’ve written up some examples. And even though I think I have a good handle on my ego, I still have enough of one that I’d like to get credit for working this out. So here you go, world.
G = grams of cannabis
P = potency in milligrams of THC
S = strength of cannabis in percent
N = number of servings
For the S factor, you simply read the strength off the label if it’s legit stuff from a dispensary. Otherwise, assume 20% for top shelf/fire buds, 10% to 15% for mids/reggie, and 5% for schwag/brickweed.
For concentrates, assume 30% for kief, 40% for hash, 60% for hash oil, 80% for shatter.
What Potency Will My Edibles Be? What potency will my edibles be if I start with G grams of S strength and I want N servings?

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For instance, let’s say you have an eighth ounce of Really Good Weed that’s 20% THC and you want to make 16 brownies. How strong will each of them be?
An eighth ounce is 3.5 grams, so it’s
10 * (3.5 * 20) / 16 = 700 / 16 = 43.75 mg each
Notice that the amount of oil, butter, alcohol, or whatever you use has nothing to do with the calculation! So if you’re making enough cannabutter or canna-coconut oil for a batch of brownies, you use the amount your recipe calls for 16 brownies, and that’s all there is to it.
Also, if you’re trying to calculate CBD or any other cannabinoid, it’s the same formula, you just have to know what the percentage of CBD is, which is always given as a percentage by weight.
[h=3]How Many Servings Will I Get?[/h] How many servings will I get if I start with G grams of S strength and I want P potency?

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Example: You just bought a quarter ounce of mids and you’re looking to make some fairly light capsules with 5 milligrams of THC each. How many can you make? A quarter ounce is 7 grams, and we can estimate that “mids” are about 10% THC, so:
10 * (7 * 10) / 5 = 700 / 5 = 140
You’d end up with 140 capsules. Now, to figure out how much coconut oil you’d need, let’s say you’ll be using #00 capsules, which hold 0.95 ml each. 140 * 0.95 = 133 ml, or just about 9 tablespoons.
[h=3]How Many Grams of Cannabis Will I Need?[/h] How many grams of cannabis will you need to make N servings of P potency, if the cannabis is S strength?

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Example: you want to make 24 brownies with a solid 75 mg THC in each, but all you have is schwag. How much of this schwag are you going to have to stuff into your butter?
Let’s be generous and say schwag is 5% THC, so:
24 * 75 / 10 * 5 = 1800 / 50 = 36 grams, or enough to get you in real trouble in most states where you are limited to buying schwag.
And, just to be complete:

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This form tells you “how strong of a strain do I need if I am starting with G grams and want N servings of P potency each?” Not generally useful or practical, but there you go.
Credit Where Credit Is Due Please credit “Old Hippie of BeyondChronic.com”, and link to this article instead of republishing it as your own work!

:Namaste:
 
Oh K.... Where have you been all my life? :hugs: :Love:
 
K, will you please repost this on the dosing thread? Thank you so much. You have this way of startling me with your brilliant research finds. Keep it up. I like feeling like this. :kisstwo:
 
Oh K.... Where have you been all my life? :hugs: :Love:

I was here waiting for you, but you never showed up, so I left and went looking for you and couldn't find you, so I came back here, and here you were! :)

K, will you please repost this on the dosing thread? Thank you so much. You have this way of startling me with your brilliant research finds. Keep it up. I like feeling like this. :kisstwo:

OK...You "Sweet talked" me into it! :winkyface:
 
What did you make them out of? How effective would you rate them vs a joint?

That's kind of like comparing apples and oranges. Lol. I can compare them to the 10:1 Cco caps I've made. Let's put it this way. I used to take 4 10:1 Cco caps 2x daily. I feel I can take 2 of these 10:1 cco caps made with infused oil and have the same feeling.

I think it was canyon who gave us the idea to infuse the oil, then use it as a carrier oil. What I did was, take 1/2 oz ground buds, add 325ml olive oil and heat at 170°. Mine went the full 36 hrs. Strained the oil, and added 1.5 Tbsp lecithin. Let rest in fridge over night. Then made the Cco with a half Oz. Used the infused olive oil as the oil I added to the Cco mix.
 
Debugging The Decarbing,

Well, there were actually three batches. The first was the BHO and Rosen that was 20:1 by actual cannabinoid content. From memory, I took 4 one day and 5 the next day. The two I had left I took on day 3 and I started another bath with kief.

The kief making did not go well. I wound up with 1.4g of respectable light brown and about 6g of poor leafy brown sugar..ish concentrate. The better of the two I mixed at 12:1 and it is about as strong as the first batch.

To the 6g batch I added enough oil and lecithen to get things mixed up. It turned out to be about 8:1. The plant matter settled out to be about 20% of the volume. I managed to get the clean oil off the top and packed the remainder into caps by scooping it up with the cap and packing it with a chop stick. That went better than I expected. The clean oil turned out about the same as the first two. The ones with the plant matter were not as strong but not by that much. With these I have taken anywhere from 4 to 9 per day.

When are you going to do the green trim and coconut batch?

Best
canyon

She's at Day 72 now and she's still kicking out new pistils. She's telling me she's done though, so sometime this weekend I think. I've been tempted every day since Sunday. :laughtwo: After doing the CBD oil the other day I'm chomping at the bit to get at her. I think I'll take her on Sunday.
 
That's kind of like comparing apples and oranges. Lol. I can compare them to the 10:1 Cco caps I've made. Let's put it this way. I used to take 4 10:1 Cco caps 2x daily. I feel I can take 2 of these 10:1 cco caps made with infused oil and have the same feeling.

I think it was canyon who gave us the idea to infuse the oil, then use it as a carrier oil. What I did was, take 1/2 oz ground buds, add 325ml olive oil and heat at 170°. Mine went the full 36 hrs. Strained the oil, and added 1.5 Tbsp lecithin. Let rest in fridge over night. Then made the Cco with a half Oz. Used the infused olive oil as the oil I added to the Cco mix.

Excellent Canna. :high-five: A good way to increase the cannabinoid load. This is brilliant! The extraction as carrier oil. That was a piece of brainstorming that really paid off.
 
She's at Day 72 now and she's still kicking out new pistils. She's telling me she's done though, so sometime this weekend I think. I've been tempted every day since Sunday. :laughtwo: After doing the CBD oil the other day I'm chomping at the bit to get at her. I think I'll take her on Sunday.

I have a good size Kosher Kush that is at 61 days. I will probably take it down in stages. I was late with the defoliating. The trim should be prime. I will try for a few pictures tomorrow. I should be able to do at least a small batch shortly after yours. I can make any changes that you suggest after yours gets a test drive.

What if you let what you were going to use dry for about a day to get rid of some of the water before processing. I am thinking why try to keep all of the water content. How much of the terpins could you loose in 24 hours that would not be lost in a decarb?

Oh boy, oh boy, more medical experiments.
canyon
 
That's kind of like comparing apples and oranges. Lol. I can compare them to the 10:1 Cco caps I've made. Let's put it this way. I used to take 4 10:1 Cco caps 2x daily. I feel I can take 2 of these 10:1 cco caps made with infused oil and have the same feeling.

I think it was canyon who gave us the idea to infuse the oil, then use it as a carrier oil. What I did was, take 1/2 oz ground buds, add 325ml olive oil and heat at 170°. Mine went the full 36 hrs. Strained the oil, and added 1.5 Tbsp lecithin. Let rest in fridge over night. Then made the Cco with a half Oz. Used the infused olive oil as the oil I added to the Cco mix.

Excellent Canna. :high-five: A good way to increase the cannabinoid load. This is brilliant! The extraction as carrier oil. That was a piece of brainstorming that really paid off.

It's something I wouldn't hesitate to try for myself, but from a "patient care" perspective, I think you'd want/need/have to consider the additional THC from the oil in the dosing; or, instead of using infused oil, you could simply increase the ratio of RSO to carrier oil accordingly to dose accurately.
 
It's something I wouldn't hesitate to try for myself, but from a "patient care" perspective, I think you'd want/need/have to consider the additional THC from the oil in the dosing; or, instead of using infused oil, you could simply increase the ratio of RSO to carrier oil accordingly to dose accurately.

Refresh my memory please. What's RSO?
 
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