gtrmike470
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Can rosin and oil be made from fresh chop? Or MUST it be dried?
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Well sort of. Rosen can be made with buds that are not dry enough to smoke.
'Fresh harvest oil' is getting good reviews.
Alcohol extraction would be a problem with wet buds.
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They're volitile because they weigh next to nothing, so they float away on the smallest breeze. It's not that they degrade, to my understanding, as much as they evaporate.
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I'd say that's a big "No" because with fresh buds you also have water bound up in the cells. When pressing for rosin you don't want any water, which is why they use dry buds.
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Morning gtrmike. I left off the rest of the answer.
As Canyon pointed out, you can indeed make a potent infused oil with fresh buds, and we have an entire thread dedicated to perfecting a technique of doing so that PsyCro developed a few years back. We highly recommend this amazing oil for its potency, which we believe comes from retaining more terpenes and flavonoids.
Fresh Harvest Infused Cannabis Oil
It's more labor-intensive, but well worth the effort.
VerdantSpires
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Oldbear, I haven't purchased terpenes, but two alluring web sites advertising food-grade terpene isolates are buy-terpenes.com and kleanterpenes.com
Mercene is the terpene. Instead of buying the terpene isolate, you could source the food grade essential oil of a plant which is rich in myrcene, and use that.
Oldbear
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Thanks for this info. Ill research this and report back.
You are right - ive been trying to find an essential oil made from hops. Using lemongrass for example should work as well.
You are right - ive been trying to find an essential oil made from hops. Using lemongrass for example should work as well.
Kicknitup1
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Now that's what I don't get. We are nowhere near the vapor points of the terpenes. Seems like it would have to be more about degradation. Like fresh basil; it works way better if you don't put it in the marinara until the very end.
Kicknitup1
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Speaking of degradation...is it possible that longer brew times help oil to taste better? I only say that because when I used a 6 hr extraction, the oil tasted better. I have shortened it now because I don't think it helps...but we are about to find out I suppose.
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That would be hard to say in my case. All of my oils have been fragrant and tasty, regardless of cook time, but slow cooking is a method chosen for the deep flavors you can develop, so it wouldn't surprise me.
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IMO, that makes infused oils all the more attractive. The terpenes must bond to the oils, and for some reason don't degrade at the same pace. This is why I find the fresh harvest oil so enticing. Decarbing after the infusion appears to keep more terpenes intact.
gtrmike470
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Morning gtrmike. I left off the rest of the answer.
As Canyon pointed out, you can indeed make a potent infused oil with fresh buds, and we have an entire thread dedicated to perfecting a technique of doing so that PsyCro developed a few years back. We highly recommend this amazing oil for its potency, which we believe comes from retaining more terpenes and flavonoids.
Fresh Harvest Infused Cannabis Oil
It's more labor-intensive, but well worth the effort.
Thanks for the response sue. And the link. Can I assume the info/process is the same for rosin?
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It's pretty straightforward Mike. It requires you to hover over the pot, although we find we get mesmerized by the bubbling action and can't walk away anyhow.
The resulting oil will impress the hell out of you, to be sure.
gtrmike470
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It's pretty straightforward Mike. It requires you to hover over the pot, although we find we get mesmerized by the bubbling action and can't walk away anyhow.
The resulting oil will impress the hell out of you, to be sure.
Your time is precious sue. Thank you. I appreciate it.
VerdantSpires
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Wow! The extent of the loss of terpenes in that decarb is almost unbelievable.
All the same, I do wonder: were the terpenes to not be driven off, would people complain that the oil was too sappy, to piney, and that it messed with their digestion. Time will tell. So many of the terpenes have valuable properties, that it seems absurd to use a heat treatment that drives them off. Almost all are denoted as anti-cancer.
Thank you for posting that lab analysis, SweetSue.
VerdantSpires
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Canyon, it is SweetSue who posted the lab report from PSI labs. I don't have any, sorry.
medmanmike
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Sue, I'm trying to find the "36 hour oil", "low and slow" method that you've posted on. I have the "pain cream" recipe, but I'm not sure if it's the same as the low/slow oil method.
Is there any reason why the pain cream method wouldn't work for making a Reg. infused oil? I've tried the FHO recipe and it's fine, other than spending the time hovering over the pot - pun intended!
With the 36 hour oil I can keep busy doing other things and only need to attend to the oil every hour or so.
I thought maybe this would be in your Basic Links etc. but can't find it.
My apologies if this is staring me in the face and I'm just not seeing it!
Is there any reason why the pain cream method wouldn't work for making a Reg. infused oil? I've tried the FHO recipe and it's fine, other than spending the time hovering over the pot - pun intended!
With the 36 hour oil I can keep busy doing other things and only need to attend to the oil every hour or so.
I thought maybe this would be in your Basic Links etc. but can't find it.
My apologies if this is staring me in the face and I'm just not seeing it!
I used the 36hr on my last low n slow dried oil I made
It worked very well, cept when I forgot about it for a few hrs...lol
Oh the steps are in her blogs
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The 36-hour oil is the same as the pain cream recipe Mike. That's where I learned to do it this way, and it's my favorite way of making an infused oil for any application. Lowest setting in the oven.
If you use buds that have been dried low and slo you may come up with an oil comparable to the FHO without the hovering.
I never mind answering questions. You should have figured that out by now Mike.
