SweetSue's Cannabis Oil Study Hall

One thing I realised after I made first batch, I may have made too many. Two a day for 21 days may work very well for my wife's RA, but I'm learning from others that are treating cancer, they double the concentration every four days.

I'm not sure what dosage to use... :stay with the plan of two a day for 21 days or increase the dosage sooner. She's now on about day 8 of the 20;1 and is experiencing significant healing.

If she's comfortable with the current dose, there's no need to increase. The only reason to increase would be if she's getting regular breakthrough pain that suggests a need for more THC. If you simply increase without good reason you run the risk of overshooting the optimal therapeutic dose and find yourself with the options of resetting the tolerance levels or increasing the dose to levels that aren't easily sustainable.
 
Thanks, HashGirl, for the congratulations part AND the info on the oil you make.

I'm a bit confused here, though, about how you make your oil and the kind of oil I was thinking of making. Maybe they're the same thing. I don't know.'

The oil I was planning on producing is done by taking Alcohol and extracting the cannabinoids from the buds by washing the buds with the alcohol, then taking that alcohol and reducing it more and more and more in a rice cooker or double boiler until I'm left with this sticky pasty like oil substance that is very, very thick. Apparently you dose by taking only a very small amount into your system through eating it.

Is this the same stuff you are talking about? When you said that you infuse it with 6 grams of bud in 60 ml of oil it sounds like more of an infusion rather than a reduction. Would they even be comparable? I should have been more clear, but I'm caught by my own confusion not having done any of this before and therefore not knowing how to properly describe what I'm talking about. I didn't even think of infusing oil with bud. That would work out nicely too as an edible. But I'm hell bent on trying this method since I've seen so many damned YouTube videos on it and how to do it. I got the method off all those Rick Simpson Oil videos that are being done lately.

What you're planning to produce is Concentrated Cannabis Oil (CCO). Just about everyone else calls it RSO, but here at :420: we decided to call it what it actually is. When you get ready to make your oil I'd advise you to read through the first couple pages of Tim's Making CCO thread, as well as Gigi's new blog on her adventures in oil making for cancer patients.

My Experience with Rick Simpson Oil (RSO)(Concentrated Cannabis Oil (CCO)) vs. Cancer

In all honesty though Magnus, your medical concerns can easily be treated with an infused oil instead of a concentrated oil. The big difference is cost. That solvent isn't cheap, or always easy to come by. Olive or coconut oils are much more affordable and more easily accessible. An infused oil is also much easier to produce than CCO.

Having said that, CCO is really great fun to make, and I think everyone could benefit from making it at least once. Be forewarned, the process of producing CCO is addictive. :laughtwo:
 
If she's comfortable with the current dose, there's no need to increase. The only reason to increase would be if she's getting regular breakthrough pain that suggests a need for more THC. If you simply increase without good reason you run the risk of overshooting the optimal therapeutic dose and find yourself with the options of resetting the tolerance levels or increasing the dose to levels that aren't easily sustainable.

Hmmm "breakthrough pain"... I guess she had that today... it was so bad she took a pharmaceutical (Naproxin) and that enabled her to sleep. She's avoided all pharmaceuticals for 8 days, so I suspect this pain was more than usual.

Perhaps its time to move her up to 10:1.

Whatcha think Sue?
 
Hmmm "breakthrough pain"... I guess she had that today... it was so bad she took a pharmaceutical (Naproxin) and that enabled her to sleep. She's avoided all pharmaceuticals for 8 days, so I suspect this pain was more than usual.

Perhaps its time to move her up to 10:1.

Whatcha think Sue?

I think your instincts are spot on Danolo. I'd be looking to increase about now too.
 
Ok, cc's stand for cubic centimeters, and here's a handy guide:

One Cubic centimeter (cc) equals one milliliter and weighs about 1 gram.

So, the one gram syringes hold about one milliliter, or one cc.

So, the one gram syringes hold one gram, or 1000 milligrams, or 1 cc of Concentrated Cannibis oil.

Now the recipe reads:

20:1 = 1 cc of CCO + 16 cc carrier oil + 4 cc's lecithin.

That produces 21 cc's of total mix which when encapsulated into 00 caps (which each hold 1 cc) you end up with 21 bio bomb caps.

For my use, I doubled the recipe, and there for produced 42 bio bombs. (Actually I got about 44.)

Like this: 2 cc's of CCO + 32 cc's olive oil = 8 cc's of lecithin.
That adds up as 2 + 32 + 8 = 42 cc's of mix.
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Now, my next step is to move to 10:1.

Again, I want to end up with about 40+ capsules - 2 a day for 20 days.

The original recipe reads:

10:1 = 1 cc CCO + 8 cc carrier oil + 2 cc lecithin.
This adds up to 1 + 8 + 2 = 11 cc of mix which would produce 11 bio bombs.

If I want 40+ capsules, I need to quadruple the recipe like this:
4 cc's CCO + 32 cc's olive oil + 8 cc's lecithin.
This adds up to 4 + 32 + 8 = 44 cc's which make into 44 bio bombs.

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and for 5:1 the recipe reads:
5:1 = 1 cc CCO + 4 cc Carrier Oil = 1 cc lecithin
which adds up to 1 + 4 + 1 = 6 cc's which makes 6 bio bombs.

If I want 40+ capsules , in need to multiply the quantities by eight.
Like this:
8 cc's CCO + 32 cc's of oilve oil + 8 cc's lecithin
This add up to 8 + 32 + 8 = 48 cc's. which makes into 48 bio bombs.

That's it!

I used cc's because I have a syringe marked in cc's so it was easy to suck up and measure the ingredients, and I also use the syringe to fill the caps.

I hope this helps.

Thanks, Danolo. This helps immensely. Your explanations remind me of my own. Concise, straightforward, leaving nothing to chance or misinterpretation. That's how I write all my explanations, too.

I had one question, however. How do you mix the CCO together with the CO and the Lecithin? My understanding is that the cco is very, very thick (at least the RSO is that thick) and I understand it would be like mixing super-extra-mega concentrated Campbell's Tomato Soup with the milk you are supposed to mix it with. Only one way to do it: use a whisk! But how do you mix that cco with the carrier oil, say olive or coconut or walnut, for that matter? Do you heat the carrier oil and drop the cco into it and hope for the best, all the while mixing and mixing and mixing with a spoon?

Inquiring minds want to know...
 
What you're planning to produce is Concentrated Cannabis Oil (CCO). Just about everyone else calls it RSO, but here at :420: we decided to call it what it actually is. When you get ready to make your oil I'd advise you to read through the first couple pages of Tim's Making CCO thread, as well as Gigi's new blog on her adventures in oil making for cancer patients.

My Experience with Rick Simpson Oil (RSO)(Concentrated Cannabis Oil (CCO)) vs. Cancer

In all honesty though Magnus, your medical concerns can easily be treated with an infused oil instead of a concentrated oil. The big difference is cost. That solvent isn't cheap, or always easy to come by. Olive or coconut oils are much more affordable and more easily accessible. An infused oil is also much easier to produce than CCO.

Having said that, CCO is really great fun to make, and I think everyone could benefit from making it at least once. Be forewarned, the process of producing CCO is addictive. :laughtwo:

HI SweetSue,

Thanks for this. It helps immensely, though I'm leaning towards using CCO rather than an infused oil. I don't know why. Maybe it's the "fun factor" tat you speak about. Maybe not. Maybe because it has more to do with being able to control my intake more readily. There is great variation in strengths of infused oils, much more I would imagine than in making a cco or rso. Cost is another factor, yes, but I imagine that cco production would be much more effective at extracting all the cannabinoids from the plant than an infusion would. So doing an infusion would leave cannabinoids behind in my mind, and so would be less effective at getting all the good stuff from the plant. Getting these cannabinoids from the plant is central in my mind in that I don't expect to have a lot this first grow to work with and infusing the trim or the buds wouldn't work as well to extract those elements that I need for my dosage.

Does that make sense?

Also, and people may throw daggers at me for suggesting this, cco reminds me of black hash oil that we used to spread on papers and roll and smoke as teenagers. I imagine doing this with my own cco. As you may remember, I will need fast acting relief first thing every morning, and it seems more economical to smoke this oil rather than smoke buds since I can make it with trim, too. Yes, yes. Bring on the hate mail. I expect and accept it with grace. But I'm still gonna try smoking it until someone either tells me they've done it and it was a complete waste of time or someone cites journal after journal showing me that it is more carcinogenerous than BIG Tobacco. And yes, I know I spelled that C-word wrong, but I was hoping that none of you were spelling B winners in 3rd grade and so wouldn't know the difference. So there.

I don't know. I just cannot imagine that an infusion is going to extract as many cannabinoids as an extraction, and I've worked with plenty of both in my time and former career. An infusion is always going to leave some of the good shit behind. Pardon my French. Or shall I say, Pardon my Quebecois, as it were.

So those are the thoughts of my sleep deprived brain as I encounter them at waaaay too late in the evening. Or morning. Take it as you like it. All I know is I'm still doing the happy dance over the news on Friday and am thrilled over the help I got on my nutes problem that Scrogdawg helped me with. My plants are recovering nicely and finally beginning to grow like the killer-weeds I know them to be. I had another word for killer-weeds, but it cannot be written in pleasant company. And I am NOT one to self-censor at the best -- or worst -- of times!

And I did read through what I think was Tim's pages on making cco and if they are the pages I"m thinking of, they are indecipherable. The language choices made by whoever wrote them were very poor indeed. So much so that those instructions are confusing, hard to understand and render the instructions as overly complicated and difficult to follow. The only thing redeeming about those instructions were the pics themselves. And they were great pics for describing the tasks at hand. Now, I know that whoever wrote them spent a lot of time on them and for that I'm as grateful as the next person, but the overcomplication of the language left this particular ADHD complainer and stickler for simple language to describe simple tasks both confused and anxious. I'm sorry. I don't mean to tear down what seems to be a bastion of a posting upon which this site is built upon (I DID say it had good pictorial sequencing, though), but I cannot sit by and agree with now three people who tell me to read this posting when i've read it and re-read it and still have come out confused.

I really shouldn't post late at night. I only get myself in trouble.

I have not read the other posting you mention. I will do so with relish and promise that I will love it.
 
So, I just bought some CBD products for my mother and our dog. For my mother I bought a disposable E-sigaret and also for myself one. But it contains 2,5% CBD so maybe it will stop her from smoking tobacco because smoking tobacco is unhealthy and very expensive. I also bought bodylotion or body crème with CBD in it for my mother because she suffers from itchy skin that sometimes just rips open and she also suffers from excemia (I think you spell it that way) AND! I also bought CBD oil for our dog because she also suffers from excemia on her paws so maybe CBD will help ease the irritation or maybe even heal it but I will keep you guys updated on it.

My little first plants!
 
If she's comfortable with the current dose, there's no need to increase. The only reason to increase would be if she's getting regular breakthrough pain that suggests a need for more THC. If you simply increase without good reason you run the risk of overshooting the optimal therapeutic dose and find yourself with the options of resetting the tolerance levels or increasing the dose to levels that aren't easily sustainable.

yes, that sure sounds right, Sue.... she has started doubling her dose today...
 
Thanks, Danolo. This helps immensely. Your explanations remind me of my own. Concise, straightforward, leaving nothing to chance or misinterpretation. That's how I write all my explanations, too.

I had one question, however. How do you mix the CCO together with the CO and the Lecithin? My understanding is that the cco is very, very thick (at least the RSO is that thick) and I understand it would be like mixing super-extra-mega concentrated Campbell's Tomato Soup with the milk you are supposed to mix it with. Only one way to do it: use a whisk! But how do you mix that cco with the carrier oil, say olive or coconut or walnut, for that matter? Do you heat the carrier oil and drop the cco into it and hope for the best, all the while mixing and mixing and mixing with a spoon?

Inquiring minds want to know...

Well, the CCO I bought was not thick... not runny either... it squirted out of the syringe just fine. The olive oil was at room temperature.
The liquid lecithin was very thick and gooey. On Sue's suggestion, I filled an eyedropper bottle and then sat it in some warm water.

From there it was easy to do. I mixed it all together (with a plastic B&R spoon) and then sucked it into my syringe and then carefully squirted each capsule.

Once I got everything out of the mixing dish, I tore a bit off a tortilla and wiped it clean, and ate the tortilla!
 
So, I just bought some CBD products for my mother and our dog. For my mother I bought a disposable E-sigaret and also for myself one. But it contains 2,5% CBD so maybe it will stop her from smoking tobacco because smoking tobacco is unhealthy and very expensive. I also bought bodylotion or body crème with CBD in it for my mother because she suffers from itchy skin that sometimes just rips open and she also suffers from excemia (I think you spell it that way) AND! I also bought CBD oil for our dog because she also suffers from excemia on her paws so maybe CBD will help ease the irritation or maybe even heal it but I will keep you guys updated on it.

My little first plants!

She won't stop smoking unless you buy her an ecig with NICOTINE in it, not cbd. CBD does not reduce cravings for nicotine, only nicotine does that. And then you would have to reduce her dosage of nicotine over subsequent months until she is down to zero. That is how one quits smoking with an ecig, not through the use of cbd, unfortunately. Mind you, an ecig nicotine habit is much cheaper than a cigarette habit, especially when you make your own ejuice which is easily done and much healthier, too.
 
She won't stop smoking unless you buy her an ecig with NICOTINE in it, not cbd. CBD does not reduce cravings for nicotine, only nicotine does that. And then you would have to reduce her dosage of nicotine over subsequent months until she is down to zero. That is how one quits smoking with an ecig, not through the use of cbd, unfortunately. Mind you, an ecig nicotine habit is much cheaper than a cigarette habit, especially when you make your own ejuice which is easily done and much healthier, too.
I know that but maybe she will quit smoking with that because she has now something else to smoke. When she wants a cigaret and she grabs the E-sigaret maybe that will get rid off the desire for a cigaret. If that doesn't work like what you said then I'll buy E-cigarettes with nicotine. The CBD is more to let her experience what cannabis can do. The same store where I ordered the E-sigaret didn't have those with nicotine so I didn't want to buy one from another store because that adds shipping cost and I didn't find it worth it. I also bought one for my girlfriend qmd she also smoke. I'm almost certain that she will quit smoking when she has that E-cigaret because she just wants something to smoke. But we'll see how that works. I'll keep you guys updated

My little first plants!
 
Well, the CCO I bought was not thick... not runny either... it squirted out of the syringe just fine. The olive oil was at room temperature.
The liquid lecithin was very thick and gooey. On Sue's suggestion, I filled an eyedropper bottle and then sat it in some warm water.

From there it was easy to do. I mixed it all together (with a plastic B&R spoon) and then sucked it into my syringe and then carefully squirted each capsule.

Once I got everything out of the mixing dish, I tore a bit off a tortilla and wiped it clean, and ate the tortilla!

Thanks, again, Danolo. I"m only going on what I've seen on YouTube videos, that's all. And that RSO looks very, very thick so I thought it would be as hard as mixing tomato soup with a soupspoon is all. Thanks for clarifying for me. I do appreciate all your help. I'm such a newbie in all this and I just want everything to go well, primarily so that I don't waste any of my precious stuff. And again, your description is much more than adequate for me.
 
I almost took that course first, because, as you know, I struggle with the same thing, and although I laugh it off most of the time, I'm in close enough contact with my own body to notice that more sleep would be better.

Then I saw this course and that was all she wrote. I nearly jumped through the screen to sign up. :laughtwo:

Have you had any success with treating your own insomnia with cannabis? The doctor that teaches that course says it's the control of the THC to CBD ratios that make the difference. I'm looking forward to that one too. I promised myself only one course purchase a month. This could easily get out of hand if I let it. Lol!

SweetSue, what is the ratio he's suggesting?
 
Thanks, again, Danolo. I"m only going on what I've seen on YouTube videos, that's all. And that RSO looks very, very thick so I thought it would be as hard as mixing tomato soup with a soupspoon is all. Thanks for clarifying for me. I do appreciate all your help. I'm such a newbie in all this and I just want everything to go well, primarily so that I don't waste any of my precious stuff. And again, your description is much more than adequate for me.

I am a newbie as well.. I have only made one batch of Bio Bombs and I don't grow, so your experience goes way beyond mine.

The expert here is Sue.
 
SweetSue, what is the ratio he's suggesting?

Hiya, Mike....I am currently treating an insomnia patient and have another one on deck....this gal is a globetrotter and let me tell you it's constant....she takes no meds on her travels and doesn't sleep....when she gets home, she smokes my Darkstar (high CBD), Blue Dream (hybrid), or Darkstar X Amnesia Haze (Hybrid) and sleeps like a baby....
 
If she's comfortable with the current dose, there's no need to increase. The only reason to increase would be if she's getting regular breakthrough pain that suggests a need for more THC. If you simply increase without good reason you run the risk of overshooting the optimal therapeutic dose and find yourself with the options of resetting the tolerance levels or increasing the dose to levels that aren't easily sustainable.

If I'm understanding right, I think I can attest to this :)
 
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I bought the cannabis oil for the cats! I tried it on 1 of my kitty cats but she didn't really like the smell so she won't just take it straight aeay. Might drip it on some cheese or some ham!

My little first plants!
 
Hiya, Mike....I am currently treating an insomnia patient and have another one on deck....this gal is a globetrotter and let me tell you it's constant....she takes no meds on her travels and doesn't sleep....when she gets home, she smokes my Darkstar (high CBD), Blue Dream (hybrid), or Darkstar X Amnesia Haze (Hybrid) and sleeps like a baby....

Hey Shawnee, DarkStar is definitely on my list! I grew Blue Dream last grow, but it didn't do much for me. It wasn't my best effort - not sure what happened but the test results were low.

MICHIGAN RELIEF HUB (/CLIENT/667) Machine: Gas Chromatography
Test Date: 09/21/2016 Method & Instrument: Pests: No. Mold: No
Test Compounds CBDV 0.0, THCV 0.1, CBC 0.1, CBD 0.0, Δ8 THC 0.0, Δ9 THC 9.6, CBG 0.0, CBN 0.0 TOTAL Cannabinoids 9.8%

I had multiple strains tested. There were inconsistencies in the results. I addressed this with the dispensary who was the go-between and they said others had raised similar concerns. So not sure how accurate the results were.

I grew BD again this time. The product looked, smelled and felt much better. This time I went to a new lab (TheSpot in Kalamazoo) and here are the results. Note this test used UPLC (Ultra Performance Liquid Chromatography) which does not heat the product. The Spot uses 0.877% as the factor to approximate the TCHA to THC conversion. So THCA at 17.376% times .877 = an estimated 15.24% THC. Not sure if one needs to add in the initial THC level: 0.403%.

Thanks for the info!
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If I'm understanding right, I think I can attest to this :)

Did you overshoot SL2222? :laughtwo: Been there, done that and put myself through the desentizitation protocol no one really wants to try. :cheesygrinsmiley:

I had a moment in Jamaica when I considered my overindulgence might result in another go-round with the protocol. I can happily share that this wasn't a problem once I got back to better cannabis.
 
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