Starting A Continuous Harvest Grow - Need Advice

4our8ighty0 said:
Ok so I finished my grow info form but I don't know where I should post it?? I don't want to leave grow unlabeled but I can't edit my first post ? Maybe mods can post the grow info for me ? So it's not like looking for a needle when looking for details ? Who could I ask about this ?
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Yes, as Sativa1970 said. Click on report and in the box that pops up explain what you would like them to do. You can also ask to have your grow journal title changed if you like. :)
Give them time, they are busy back there. :thumb:
 
Sativa1970 said:
Natural growing plants can be pure male or female but are most likely some range of herm. Why the bag has seeds. The more female leaning the fewer pollen pods thus fewer seeds. A male full of pods next to a female will produce a lot of seeds. A field full of heavy female leaning plants will only have a few pods to create a low number of seeds. Those seeds will be heavily female herm leaning.

Fem plants do occur in nature, and can be selected with a bit of help. They are referred to as sensemilla, Spanish for without seed. When the field of plants begins to flower anything that presents male pods are chopped and removed. Now your field is only pure females and a few herm that are female dominant with one or two pollen pods that slipped through. When you collect those seeds you have XX female and XyX fem/herm cross. The % of male and herm will be lower in those seeds with each harvest, with recessive y chromosomes. The seeds are not feminized but have fem dominant tendency.

At 2 seeds per oz I would plant 12 seeds. 10 would be female, 1 with a naner or two, and one would be male. I would clone 2, chop the male, and let the rest go to harvest. Seeds from that harvest were held in emergency reserve. With the luck of the shmuck I have picked the herm and male as the 2 clones in the past. The clone, if female, would be treated with C silver over the winter in a micro grow for spring seeds. Those next 12 seeds averaged 11 female and 1 with a few naners. Every generation pushes more X dominant so stable feminization. You can never fully remove the Y possibility. Why commercial fem seeds still occasionally turn herm.
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Aaahhhh ok I see so fems are natural nice nice. So that means I could, potentially get schmuck luck on my first pollination!!!!I am also thinking that to get my own seeds id most likely have to shut whole grow down just to have room to sift the seeds for the keeper,very involved. Thank you for the info bro you really know your stuff. I def gonna need your knowledge when I attempt my seeds ty
 
Lady Cannafan said:
Yes, as Sativa1970 said. Click on report and in the box that pops up explain what you would like them to do. You can also ask to have your grow journal title changed if you like. :)
Give them time, they are busy back there. :thumb:
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Ohh shizz that really helps lol I had no idea I could do that lol ok so I'll prep the form in text box then send it to mods and hopefully they can help me out ? Nice thank you. I really appreciate all y'all's help fr
 
4our8ighty0 said:
Yes you right LC,I should change name to something more grow journal-ly lol
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I'm not sure how many characters are allowed in that Report box, so if it is too lengthy DM a staff member with the request. Renee Roberts or Mike Wright, would be my guess. But @Joe Brewster would know for sure.
 
Lady Cannafan said:
I'm not sure how many characters are allowed in that Report box, so if it is too lengthy DM a staff member with the request. Renee Roberts or Mike Wright, would be my guess. But @Joe Brewster would know for sure.
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Ok nice I following Joe Brewster,diddnt know he was a mod lol ok so the grow info is very long so I reach out with help box n DM the grow info I would like them to post ....
 
Sativa1970 said:
You can takes clones of clones indefinitely. Genetics don't degrade or shift with age like animals do. DNA won't degrade with age in plants. I have run upward of 30 generations from one seed.
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Yes, that is the way I figure it. The DNA remains the way it is unless it gets zapped by radiation or a natural or man-made chemical that damages or breaks the DNA. The DNA is a very complicated molecule so there is no way of telling what the result will be until the plant reproduces by seed or its normal method of propagation.

A bit of twisting of new leaves or a stem on a young plant is normal and part of the way the plant grows. Yet we hear/read so many asking what is causing the mutation. These changes in the way new grow appears is not a mutation. It is not much more than the way the plant reacts to various situations.

You can takes clones of clones indefinitely.
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I believe that the reason some growers say that they can no longer take clones from clones is because the plant has been damaged and the genetics do not allow the healing that is necessary. The one that I have been looking at for the past several years is the vascular system. This is the system in the plant that is used for the moving of water, sugars and nutrients. What I have read does suggest that the damage to the vascular system can be permanent in that the plant cannot grow new stems which an undamaged system. So, every clone taken starts off with the damage but it is not genetic damage.

Genetics don't degrade or shift with age like animals do. DNA won't degrade with age in plants.
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Animals are much more complicated than plants. Animals have a nervous system, a cardio vascular system with one or more hearts that pump blood from one part to another, a digestive system, muscles which allow the animal to move various parts or the entire body. And, many other systems that have allowed the animal to survive long enough to reproduce well above the replacement level. I have to believe that the entire genetic system in animals is so complex that often a change or mutation in a single gene on the DNA strand is enough to cause major problems.

It has been said that evolution is the result of continuous genetic mutations for the good or bad over the past 3.5 billion years. Yes, that is billion which has more zeros than a million;).
 
SmokingWings said:
Yes, that is the way I figure it. The DNA remains the way it is unless it gets zapped by radiation or a natural or man-made chemical that damages or breaks the DNA. The DNA is a very complicated molecule so there is no way of telling what the result will be until the plant reproduces by seed or its normal method of propagation.

A bit of twisting of new leaves or a stem on a young plant is normal and part of the way the plant grows. Yet we hear/read so many asking what is causing the mutation. These changes in the way new grow appears is not a mutation. It is not much more than the way the plant reacts to various situations.


I believe that the reason some growers say that they can no longer take clones from clones is because the plant has been damaged and the genetics do not allow the healing that is necessary. The one that I have been looking at for the past several years is the vascular system. This is the system in the plant that is used for the moving of water, sugars and nutrients. What I have read does suggest that the damage to the vascular system can be permanent in that the plant cannot grow new stems which an undamaged system. So, every clone taken starts off with the damage but it is not genetic damage.


Animals are much more complicated than plants. Animals have a nervous system, a cardio vascular system with one or more hearts that pump blood from one part to another, a digestive system, muscles which allow the animal to move various parts or the entire body. And, many other systems that have allowed the animal to survive long enough to reproduce well above the replacement level. I have to believe that the entire genetic system in animals is so complex that often a change or mutation in a single gene on the DNA strand is enough to cause major problems.

It has been said that evolution is the result of continuous genetic mutations for the good or bad over the past 3.5 billion years. Yes, that is billion which has more zeros than a million;).
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Whoa I do notice the tip twisting all the time is that all that it is ? Just a weird way of reacting to environment? Interesting..so the leaf twisting is unrelated to things like leaf variegation,or leaves and buds growing in none normal places ? I notice them together alot ? Is the weird growth and color change caused by something similar to the twisting ? In terms of cloning clones are the changes I do see environmental ? Or could it be bad breeding that's expressed when cloning clones or could it be operator error ?. Idk much about genetics at all it's very interesting to me but I know cloning clones it's a issue with none 420 crops. Is cannabis capable of re using a set of genetics indefinitely? How do I ascertain which effect is caused by any given cause?
 
Clones are not just an identical twin. They are genetically and literally the same plant. There is absolutely no mutation from cloning. When cells divide the DNA is ripped in two and do not grow back quite as long each time. This is aging. Plants and of all things, lobsters, always recover the full length so they never age.

The reason why you hear "You an only clone fill in a number here times.", is cumulative damage like wings said. Every time you get bugs, fungus, heat stress, drought, drown, nute burn and deprive, it weakens the plant. If you keep pushing it to grow veg, topping and form new roots it never has the energy to recover. Healthy clones can only come from healthy plants. Not waiting for the plant to get completely healthy again creates week clones that make weaker plants.
 
Sativa1970 said:
Clones are not just an identical twin. They are genetically and literally the same plant. There is absolutely no mutation from cloning. When cells divide the DNA is ripped in two and do not grow back quite as long each time. This is aging. Plants and of all things, lobsters, always recover the full length so they never age.

The reason why you hear "You an only clone fill in a number here times.", is cumulative damage like wings said. Every time you get bugs, fungus, heat stress, drought, drown, nute burn and deprive, it weakens the plant. If you keep pushing it to grow veg, topping and form new roots it never has the energy to recover. Healthy clones can only come from healthy plants. Not waiting for the plant to get completely healthy again creates week clones that make weaker plants.
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Wwhjhoooaaa bro so all those issues I had were related to accumulative damage ? Over the clones life ? And I do always have a continuous harvest going so I would have been pushing them pretty hard....so the stress I cause the clone induces the cloning issues I have seen ? So if damage doesn't hurt the genetics how am I breeding that into the clones ? ....I'm confused, so you are saying that reusing genetics continuously doesn't cause genetic drift,but the stress I cause during the grow causes genetics to change ? How am I changing genetics with grow conditions? but not changing genetics by cloning the plants with issues ? I'm mixed bro lolol can you spell it out a bit simply for my feeble morning mind lolol
 
4our8ighty0 said:
Strain = unknown CT dispo bagseed
Genetic makeup = unknown CT dispo bagseed
Pot size = clone pots 24 oz/veg pots 1 gal/flower pots 5gal
Tent size = clone room=28inx17.5inx25.5in/ veg room= 44inx20.5inx27in/flower room= 4ftx3ftx10ft
Grow space = studio apt
Plant numbers = 14 plants to start, down to 12
Environment = indoors
Stage of growth = all plants 8 weeks old from sprout.
Soil = fox farm happy frog, humus organics, epsoma mycorrhizae organic plant starter, microbe culture + honey, epsoma tomato feed organics, meal worms, worm castings, epsoma blood meal + bone meal organics, epsoma salt, personal compost mice, compost teas.
Light = 450 true watts 1200 watt equivalent, full spec light with IR diodes and UV diodes. 4ftx 18 in coverage.
Nutrients = fox farm trio epsoma organics.
Tent temperature = flower room = 78f to 85f/veg room=75f to 80f/ clone room= 80f to 85f
Tent RH = flower room = 55% to 35%rh/veg room = 50% to 65%rh/clone room=75% to 90%rh
Pests = nothing but beneficial bugs baby!!
Watering routine =clone room walls are misted 2x a day or as needed/ veg plants= watered in mornings 8oz every 24 hrs or as needed/ flowering plants = watered every 24 to 48 hrs with 1 liter of water. All water, plant feeds and compost teas are ph'd to 6.8-ish
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Mods posted my grow info !! So I'm a legit journal now !!! Diddnt change name cuz it's still pretty accurate to the content ....plus I couldn't think of anything cool and forgot lol
 
So ladies growing fast and new girls are darkening quickly.......
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I did notice blackish brown spots on the plant in bottom row furthest right......
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I am not very worried,the brown spots are on secondary leaves and sporadically placed randomly through out the plant. Means its most likely a symptom of the transplant,she just getting adjusted. The yellow rings around the spots are filling with green. The plant is showing great health aside from these spots. I believe it's a hot spot in soil. Will keep watching just In case.
 
Good Morning!
I'll let others make suggestions on the brown spots. Maybe Magnesium issues?
Anyway, just curious on how light tight you are in those grow spaces? When they go into flower, you will have to watch for light leaks. :)
 
I believe I'm pretty close to complete dark,ik I have some seams around my exhaust I need to wrap but that should be it. Right before I flip I'll pull them out, get in n close it up to check for leaks n fix them. Might not need to veg for 2 wks, they growing so damn fast...look at this comparison
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Same exact age just transplanted around a week ago...like 6-ish days ago so I'll be flipping very soon...
 
4our8ighty0 said:
I believe I'm pretty close to complete dark,ik I have some seams around my exhaust I need to wrap but that should be it. Right before I flip I'll pull them out, get in n close it up to check for leaks n fix them. Might not need to veg for 2 wks, they growing so damn fast...look at this comparison
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Same exact age just transplanted around a week ago...like 6-ish days ago so I'll be flipping very soon...
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Good Plan. :-) I grew in a pantry off my kitchen for one grow. I thought it was light tight until I sat in there a bit. Surprised me to see the lines of light around the door. LOL
When checking for light leaks, you have to give yourself a good 5 minutes or so for your eyes to adjust to the dark. You might not see it right away, but after about 5 you will see anything leaking through.
 
4our8ighty0 said:
I believe I'm pretty close to complete dark,ik I have some seams around my exhaust I need to wrap but that should be it. Right before I flip I'll pull them out, get in n close it up to check for leaks n fix them. Might not need to veg for 2 wks, they growing so damn fast...look at this comparison
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Same exact age just transplanted around a week ago...like 6-ish days ago so I'll be flipping very soon...
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Lol and yes that's my feet ....I was being lazy n diddnt wanna actually open everything for 1 pic so I used my feet to hold open lolol. I thought they was far enough to the sides ....
 
Lady Cannafan said:
I grew in a pantry off my kitchen for one grow. I thought it was light tight until I sat in there a bit. Surprised me to see the lines of light around the door. LOL
When checking for light leaks, you have to give yourself a good 5 minutes or so for your eyes to adjust to the dark. You might not see it right away, but after about 5 you will see anything leaking through.
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Oh u right so I should sit in there for a bit hmmm....I bring my phone 😂
 
Lady Cannafan said:
Good Morning!
I'll let others make suggestions on the brown spots. Maybe Magnesium issues?
Anyway, just curious on how light tight you are in those grow spaces? When they go into flower, you will have to watch for light leaks. :)
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Yea same,my first thoughts was calcium or magnesium but,the plant literally has no other symptoms except those brown spots which are already healing ...so I'm thinking as the roots reach to new soil they may have hit a hotspot,cuz of it was a persistent issue affecting roots then there would be other secondary signs. I don't think it's actually a issue if it persists or gets worse I'll change my tact but I think she ok.
 
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