I kept my perpetual going by taking cuts before flowering, over and over for years. I never saw any degradation of traits or quality.
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Starting A Continuous Harvest Grow - Need Advice
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4our8ighty0
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Ok cool,was just curious,either way I probably gonna try n get some seeds of my keepers eventually....question can I pollinate another female plant with the herms of another ? What's the risks ?I kept my perpetual going by taking cuts before flowering, over and over for years. I never saw any degradation of traits or quality.
Can you? Yes.
Do you want too? Not sure of the Science, whether the Hermy traits are passed on?
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4our8ighty0
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Do these herms I cause w colloidal silver make it's way into genetics also?
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4our8ighty0
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Lmao I was asking the question at the same time you answered it
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4our8ighty0
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Get outta my head bro....Lmao I was asking the question at the same time you answered it
I don't believe using colloidal silver creates Hermy traits.
Sativa1970
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Good to hear you have experience with self seeding. I would rather share information you already know than leave out something important since I don't know your experiences. Not trying to bore or insult, just making sure you are informed.
You can takes clones of clones indefinitely. Genetics don't degrade or shift with age like animals do. DNA won't degrade with age in plants. I have run upward of 30 generations from one seed. The last clone was better than the first because I had grown that exact plant so many times already. The timing on every step was down to a perfect schedule for that particular plant.
Male or female is black and white but these plants are in shades of grey herm. You have even odds of male, fem or herm with a natural seed. A feminised plant is generally 98% XX female chromosomes and 2% Y chromosomes. On average 2 out of every 100 seeds from a fully feminised plant will get a Y. Could be XY male or XYX herm. In those seeds the recessive Y becomes a dominant trait again to be passed down the genetic line. So we end that line. Seed production cuts into the cannabinoid production.
The plants with only female flowers are the next candidates for fem seeding. The colloidal silver produces pollen sacks that would normally only be produced from the presence of Y. If the parent primarily has XX chromone The pollen will be X since it has no Y. If the flower always donates an X and the pollen is dominant X the seed will be most likely female. Grow those seeds and repeat with only pure female plants. You are making the Y chromosome recessive so the dominant chromosome is XX. The silver not creating a herm. It is creating female pollen from a female plant.
You can takes clones of clones indefinitely. Genetics don't degrade or shift with age like animals do. DNA won't degrade with age in plants. I have run upward of 30 generations from one seed. The last clone was better than the first because I had grown that exact plant so many times already. The timing on every step was down to a perfect schedule for that particular plant.
Male or female is black and white but these plants are in shades of grey herm. You have even odds of male, fem or herm with a natural seed. A feminised plant is generally 98% XX female chromosomes and 2% Y chromosomes. On average 2 out of every 100 seeds from a fully feminised plant will get a Y. Could be XY male or XYX herm. In those seeds the recessive Y becomes a dominant trait again to be passed down the genetic line. So we end that line. Seed production cuts into the cannabinoid production.
The plants with only female flowers are the next candidates for fem seeding. The colloidal silver produces pollen sacks that would normally only be produced from the presence of Y. If the parent primarily has XX chromone The pollen will be X since it has no Y. If the flower always donates an X and the pollen is dominant X the seed will be most likely female. Grow those seeds and repeat with only pure female plants. You are making the Y chromosome recessive so the dominant chromosome is XX. The silver not creating a herm. It is creating female pollen from a female plant.
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4our8ighty0
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Ohhh ok nice that makes sense,it can only put out what it has so let's say down the road I use the colloidal to attempt a batch of stable fem seeds out of these specific"keepers"(have not chosen them yet) I would have to do dozens of iterations to ascertain the make up and method required for each genetic and then run more iterations to create a stable fem seed ? If that's the case that could be a lotta work
looks like it will fill in ( just remember if you take 4-5 sets of fans it will influence main stalk growth slow , you know if you have done it right if all lateral branching + main stalk are ALL the same height looks like you done a "heavy defoliation" alsoThat's what I been trying to do too,I try to keep those main stem tops topped while I do a mini veg lollipop and focus growth to the secondary branches that show vigor. I don't top them until they within a in or less of main stem then I top everything at once. It's a fairly uninvolved process for me if I start early.these almost even
started the process in veg
will veg another 2 maybe 3 weeks depending on growth
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4our8ighty0
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Yessir I'm hoping I can get it fairly even,my tact for rn is to slow the main staulk and it's branching down(I Topped and removed all fan leaves) allowing the side branching and new growth sites to develop(did not topp and lightly defoliated)
I usually let everything wolf out while tucking and maneuver growth tips to better angles allowing it all to grow for about 3or 4 inches(or once the topped sites develop 2 or 3 nodes)
After, I'll top the main stems first and depending on how uneven it is I'll top the secondary branching and hopefully all is even by then, but it's not too big a deal if not, I can always get it right on my next run,my flower room very tall. So I have cushion room (goal is a pound every 60days). I will train them all so I'll be Getting much better at my plant training aswell
Yo FW the journal lovely plants. Might try and replicate the veg set up wanna try the perpetual grow thing.
Noticed espoma products...im running the plant tone for the first time now, how long ya been messing with the bio tone and tomato mix? Looks like they're doing well for ya and the plants.
Will be keeping up with the grows
Noticed espoma products...im running the plant tone for the first time now, how long ya been messing with the bio tone and tomato mix? Looks like they're doing well for ya and the plants.
Will be keeping up with the grows
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4our8ighty0
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Thank you bro, yes the epsoma is phenomenal,I been using this for about 5 yrs-ish. It's part of a refined system I been working on,that mainly exsists because of prices of grow stuff. I have been floored by the viability of microbe colonies,health of colonies and the price!! 20$ ish for 5 lbs. Withing a month of application,I can visible see mold,fungie,shrooms,and other surface growth indicative of microbe count and soil health. Every bag is living and packed with great stuff,combine this with molasses and your soil will explode. I seriously highly recommend. Same with epsoma tomato feed. Turns out tomatoes and chili peppers are extremely similar,I almost want to say they all related...not sure but they thrive in exact same conditions with same requirements. All epsoma products are 100%organic with ingredients that were organically grown/raised with organic feeds. Plz check them out guys fr. I still working things out but eventually it will be a very well oiled machine. I appreciate any and all advice n help bro glad to have uYo FW the journal lovely plants. Might try and replicate the veg set up wanna try the perpetual grow thing.
Noticed espoma products...im running the plant tone for the first time now, how long ya been messing with the bio tone and tomato mix? Looks like they're doing well for ya and the plants.
Will be keeping up with the grows
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Check it.... they very happy ,so I'm very happy this am.
i also noticed a very curvaceous thang right here,she looks good,staulk thick,offset nodes means great bud connections it it holds,node spacing is tight and I can see purple from the uv/ir above, so that means gorgeous colors and leaves look like a nice mix of serrated length,and deep crevices n width. ....I really like this one so far.......
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Also the water bowls is water with water soluble BTI,I discovered the bti still coats and kills even if I evaporate the water,it still coates all in bti,and I don't have to risk chem burning my transplants. Only issue is it takes longer to infect populations like fungus gnats...
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4our8ighty0
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Oh ,wat?? looks like I am in a journal? Did I do that ? Yesterday? Oops I guess I must have,oh shizz n I diddnt label anything lol
the mods would have moved it as it no longer is an intro thread really
Congrats, you have a journal. LOL And all of your posts and replies to the previous thread are here.
Rock it dude!
(Btw, I am not responsible for this happening. As bluter said, the mods probably assisted in doing that)
Sativa1970
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If you start with a stable feminised plant with C silver the seeds will be stable fem.
If you start with a natural seed, roughly 30% chance fem. Each selective generation gains roughly 20%. So 30%,50%,70% and 90% chance of seeds being fem on the 4th generation seeds. Commercial feminised seed should be more than 5 generations in already.
Two separate plants of different genetics or strains but both stable feminised. Using C silver on one will pollenate both plants. The treated plant will produce pure genetic feminised seeds. The untreated plant next to it will produce a hybrid mix feminised seed. Each of those hybrid seeds will have a random chance at any of the traits passed down by the two parents. The random chance of traits is called unstable genetics.
If you grow the hybrid seeds and find a mix you like you can self pollenate it. Grow the seeds to find the child that's like the parent for several generations. Eventually you will have a new, stable genetic, hybrid strain. The dominant traits of seeds will all be like the parent.
These are broad stroke generalizations just to explain concept. The details for genetic modification can get just a weee bit more detailed than we need to go into here. Good enough for home growing science.
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4our8ighty0
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Ok nice good to know, so I could use my fav future keepers and mix them,then breed it out by selecting best phenos to grow out and eventually stabilize the genetics over time ? Also when I do breed my keepers does the adaptions to my grow environment pass on to new seeds ? Or is that even more long term than a few generations required to stabilize a seed?