Beautiful looking colas, Sqwheels!!! 
Sqwheels' Perpetual 2L Hempy + Moms
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Hi Young Lady ! 
Those girls look great.......I think I might sample a few buds.
Those girls look great.......I think I might sample a few buds.
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Sqwheels, what I think is that you're doing a fantastic job!
In all liklihood, the damaged leaves would not have repaired themselves, so as long as you don't see things getting worse, after the defoliation, I'd say the mix is helping!
Your buds look great, and I'd recommend sampling before harvest.
You said you're only at day #42 (I'm assuming that's days of flower and not days of 12/12, although you just defoliated, so perhaps that's only 12/12?) and most indicas will go a full 8 or 9 weeks of flower (which starts usually about a week after 12/12), although, some can finish earlier/later. So, I'd probably give it at least two more weeks, unless those samples are "knocking your socks off". The plants also gain some good weight in their last couple of weeks, so just stay patient and gauge carefully.
Hi Mr.K,
Thank you sir for the kind compliments...but all the credit goes to the plant, they are a very forgiving species. I on the other hand...flawed, but I'm learning.
I figured those leaves weren't going to come back, so off they came. And yes, I'm sure the RO has made a difference. They look happy.
I've been counting days of 12/12, and your comments bring up a good point. So, when should I start counting, probably not until they show flowers huh? That would make more sense.
At some point I should find info on the specific strains I have. I never researched the the bloom time on these girls...probably a thing I should know, duh
I will probably clip a small bud this weekend for sampling. I don't want to wait too long, I don't like couch lock high's. I'm busy most of the day and don't want to feel like a puddle.
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Hi X,
Ya, they look yummy. I'm very pleased. Now if I can just finish them, but like Mr.K alluded to, I shouldn't be too impatient and spoil them by cutting too soon.
Thanks for looking in. I've been trying to catch up on your journal, it moves very quickly and I hate to just jump to the end without reading what I've missed, that just seems rude, like butting into a conversation and disrupting the flo. But I've seen your pics and those girls are looking really good too. I still think you're underestimating the Chocolope, if I read right, you will harvest the others and then she'll have the place to herself, she might surprise you yet.
Ya, they look yummy. I'm very pleased. Now if I can just finish them, but like Mr.K alluded to, I shouldn't be too impatient and spoil them by cutting too soon.
Thanks for looking in. I've been trying to catch up on your journal, it moves very quickly and I hate to just jump to the end without reading what I've missed, that just seems rude, like butting into a conversation and disrupting the flo. But I've seen your pics and those girls are looking really good too. I still think you're underestimating the Chocolope, if I read right, you will harvest the others and then she'll have the place to herself, she might surprise you yet.
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Hi OMM,
Like I said to Mr.K, they thrive despite my many mistakes. Thanks for all the encouragement...samples soon.
Like I said to Mr.K, they thrive despite my many mistakes. Thanks for all the encouragement...samples soon.
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Plants looking good Sqwheels, nice sugar. Those leaves would work for some baked goods too. I am surprised at the ambers already....you may reach out to your source for estimated finish based on the pheno--may just have an early finisher. If you don't want couch lock, better get sampling and harvesting(I'm guessing).
Enjoy
Enjoy
Sqwheels, that's correct, flowering starts when you start seeing flowers and is not equivalent to days of 12/12. This was a BIG source of confusion to me when I started growing, since I figured 8 weeks of flower meant 8 weeks of 12/12.
Then I learned two things. First is that flower starts about a week after 12/12 (the plants will show you the exact day!) AND, the breeders are often very agressive with their estimates, so if they say 8 weeks of flower, that's under optimal conditions, and in most cases, if the breeder says 8 weeks, that means 9 weeks in most grow rooms. So, the nine weeks of flower, plus the week it takes to start flowering, gives an approximate 10 weeks in 12/12, for a strain that the breeder says, "finishes in 8 weeks".
In fact, I'm running my SOG plants on a 70 days schedule under 12/12 now for exactly this reason.
Since actual times are strain/pheno (and somewhat environmentally) dependent; and, optimal harvest times are a personal preference, when you get close to harvest, start sampling and then harvest when the plants are where YOU want them.
OG has a great suggestion, especially if you got clones from a friend or dispensary. They'll probably give you much better info on finishing times than the seed breeders themselves.
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Mr.K,
You're always full of good info, and express yourself very well. It all makes perfect sense to me, even tho I hadn't given it much thought. I was just going to do like you said in the end...test and cut when I'm happy with the results.
I read something in X's journal on a thought I'd had weeks ago. Timing...here in MI we now have something like 13 hours of dark...if you wanted to speed up their cycle could you...shorten the light cycle a little each week (15-30min) so that they thought winter was coming quicker? I don't know that I said that right...hope you get it. What do you think about this theory? Not the GLR (?) that people are talking about, but the night cycle.
Thanks again for the info and for watching, so glad to have you.
You're always full of good info, and express yourself very well. It all makes perfect sense to me, even tho I hadn't given it much thought. I was just going to do like you said in the end...test and cut when I'm happy with the results.
I read something in X's journal on a thought I'd had weeks ago. Timing...here in MI we now have something like 13 hours of dark...if you wanted to speed up their cycle could you...shorten the light cycle a little each week (15-30min) so that they thought winter was coming quicker? I don't know that I said that right...hope you get it. What do you think about this theory? Not the GLR (?) that people are talking about, but the night cycle.
Thanks again for the info and for watching, so glad to have you.
Mr.K,
You're always full of good info, and express yourself very well. It all makes perfect sense to me, even tho I hadn't given it much thought. I was just going to do like you said in the end...test and cut when I'm happy with the results.
I read something in X's journal on a thought I'd had weeks ago. Timing...here in MI we now have something like 13 hours of dark...if you wanted to speed up their cycle could you...shorten the light cycle a little each week (15-30min) so that they thought winter was coming quicker? I don't know that I said that right...hope you get it. What do you think about this theory? Not the GLR (?) that people are talking about, but the night cycle.
Thanks again for the info and for watching, so glad to have you.
Thanks very much for that, Sqwheels!
It's good to be appreciated!
I don't have scientific data to back it up, but I definately buy into and practice the theory of reducing lights towards the end of harvest.
I've done this, especially, when plants are taking a long time to finish since I think the reduced light helps them recognize that winter is coming and it's time to finish.
Also, trichome production happens during the dark, so when they're close to done, I don't mind reducing the light to get some more trichomes.
But, it's a little bit of a "fine line" since the buds will pack on weight during the light and there's a large increase in weight during the last couple of weeks.
This is another reason why one of the most common "noob mistakes" is harvesting too early. They miss all the extra weight they would have gotten if they waited the extra week, or so.
But, I've also been known to reduce lights to 11/13 in the week before the flush and then to 10/14 the week of flush ONLY if all of my plants in flower are finishing at the same time. If they're not finishing the same time (like with my current SOG), I personally just never want to deprive the other plants of the additional light, so won't reduce (or do a pre-harvest dark period).
the flower time on wonder woman is 10 weeks, or that is what the breeder packs say anyhow. hope that helps.
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Mr.K,
Thank you for articulating that so nicely. Those were pretty much my thoughts, you're reading my mind
My girls are a week apart in 12/12 time. So I probably will not try that this time, but maybe next.
My buddy told me he gives them (Wonder Woman) 55-60 days after flower starts...so, we're sitting @ 54 days on the original Wonder Woman and 46 days on the 3 clones since I put them in 12/12...and since I made another newbie mistake and didn't pay attention to when the first flowers started showing I'll have to guess.
I'm saying 10 more days should put me pretty close to harvest. And what you were saying about extra weight in the last couple weeks is soo true, I can almost see them getting fatter by the day.
And the trics on the Wonder Woman's are soo thick and gooey, almost twice the density of the White Widow. Looks like the pot fairy came and dusted everything with sugar. I'm getting so excited.
Thanks for all your input, it IS much appreciated.
Thank you for articulating that so nicely. Those were pretty much my thoughts, you're reading my mind
My girls are a week apart in 12/12 time. So I probably will not try that this time, but maybe next.
My buddy told me he gives them (Wonder Woman) 55-60 days after flower starts...so, we're sitting @ 54 days on the original Wonder Woman and 46 days on the 3 clones since I put them in 12/12...and since I made another newbie mistake and didn't pay attention to when the first flowers started showing I'll have to guess.
I'm saying 10 more days should put me pretty close to harvest. And what you were saying about extra weight in the last couple weeks is soo true, I can almost see them getting fatter by the day.
And the trics on the Wonder Woman's are soo thick and gooey, almost twice the density of the White Widow. Looks like the pot fairy came and dusted everything with sugar. I'm getting so excited.Thanks for all your input, it IS much appreciated.
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Hi Cultivator,
Thanks for the info.
Thanks for the info.
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Hi All,
Hard as I tried yesterday, I just couldn't get here. Family, friends, dinner and all that other good stuff.
So, it's a day late, but...
Happy Thanksgiving Everyone
I hope y'all had a good one
Hard as I tried yesterday, I just couldn't get here. Family, friends, dinner and all that other good stuff.
So, it's a day late, but...
Happy Thanksgiving Everyone
I hope y'all had a good one
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Hi All,
Weekly update time...went a little picture crazy.
Group shot, two different angles, they are real top heavy now, I've had to prop and tie them all over the place. White Widow and Original Wonder Woman (2 on the left) are at 57 days of 12/12. 3 Wonder Woman clones (right) are @ 49 days of 12/12.
Various bud shots, they're just so much fun to look at. I catch myself just staring at them a lot of the time.
A branch on Wonder Woman
Wonder Woman cola
close up, same top
I cut a sample from Wonder Woman...now to let it dry enough to taste
I'm pretty sure this is a pollen pod.
Found on White Widow today. And I think that's a seed right next to it. 
I watched them closely, but evidently not close enough. I think I've pollinated that whole room. Dammit!!!
close up, same thing
White Widow cola
White Widow buds,
The photos don't really show it, but she has some really yellow hairs growing out of some of her calyxes, any idea what/why this is?
Some shots of my veg room and what I think is P K and Mg def. I read somewhere that you shouldn't overfeed your moms so I cut way back on the feeding...I don't think she liked that. I have since started feeding a little more but I don't know if those older leaves will recover or not. I'm thinking I might spray with some epsom to see if it helps.
top...in a half sized 2L, I plan to bonsai mom this girl now that she's showing some growth
Some thoughts...
I talked to my buddy, who grows this all the time, he said he goes 55-60 days after first signs of flowers. Since I didn't pay attention to the date of the first flowers I'll have to guess. I've recalculated, I think harvest should be between 12-6 and 12-10. I'll keep watching trics. I think I was a little optimistic in my last estimate of their maturity. They haven't changed much in the last week.
I've reduced nutes to around 800ppm for the last week, I've been feeding 3 days and then watering. I think I'll continue this for a few more days, then do just water for the last few days so they get a flush just before harvest.
As always comments welcome and appreciated.
Happy Growing Everybody
Weekly update time...went a little picture crazy.
Group shot, two different angles, they are real top heavy now, I've had to prop and tie them all over the place. White Widow and Original Wonder Woman (2 on the left) are at 57 days of 12/12. 3 Wonder Woman clones (right) are @ 49 days of 12/12.
Various bud shots, they're just so much fun to look at. I catch myself just staring at them a lot of the time.
A branch on Wonder Woman
Wonder Woman cola
close up, same top
I cut a sample from Wonder Woman...now to let it dry enough to taste
I'm pretty sure this is a pollen pod.
Found on White Widow today. And I think that's a seed right next to it. I watched them closely, but evidently not close enough. I think I've pollinated that whole room. Dammit!!!
close up, same thing
White Widow cola
White Widow buds,
The photos don't really show it, but she has some really yellow hairs growing out of some of her calyxes, any idea what/why this is?
Some shots of my veg room and what I think is P K and Mg def. I read somewhere that you shouldn't overfeed your moms so I cut way back on the feeding...I don't think she liked that. I have since started feeding a little more but I don't know if those older leaves will recover or not. I'm thinking I might spray with some epsom to see if it helps.
top...in a half sized 2L, I plan to bonsai mom this girl now that she's showing some growth
Some thoughts...
I talked to my buddy, who grows this all the time, he said he goes 55-60 days after first signs of flowers. Since I didn't pay attention to the date of the first flowers I'll have to guess. I've recalculated, I think harvest should be between 12-6 and 12-10. I'll keep watching trics. I think I was a little optimistic in my last estimate of their maturity. They haven't changed much in the last week.
I've reduced nutes to around 800ppm for the last week, I've been feeding 3 days and then watering. I think I'll continue this for a few more days, then do just water for the last few days so they get a flush just before harvest.
As always comments welcome and appreciated.
Happy Growing Everybody
Awesome job Sqwheels! They're looking great, just keep doing what your doing! 
I found this in one of the strain libraries, and thought you might find it interesting since you had said you hadn't had a chance to read up on the strain.
Wonder Woman
[Nirvana Seed Bank]
Indica 60 / Sativa 40
Origins - Ice x Top 44
Flowering - 49-63 days
Harvest - Early October
This all-female strain is strong yet seductive, a fast-growing skunk with a pleasing, balanced high, and a truly heroic harvest - over half kilo per square meter.
Wonder Woman's mother is Ice, an award winning strain (1998 Cannabis Cup) that combines Afghani, Skunk, Northern Lights and Shiva genetics into a very stable plant with a rich layer of trichomes, a heavy stone and a fuel-like aroma. This mother was winner in the 1998 Cannabis Cup. Her father is actually another femal plant, a beautiful Top 44 that Nirvana manipulated using giverellic acid to produce male flowers. Top 44 is one of Nirvana's flagship commercial strains. It's the fastest-flowering indoor variety they have, ripe and ready in just over 6 weeks under perfect conditions. As a smoke, Top 44 is dep and skunky with a long lasting buzz. these parents give Wonder Woman her superpowers - fast maturation, mighty yields, feminized seeds (there are no males in the bunch), and a durable high. this amazing amazon lassos the stoner for a long, relaxing stay on Paradise Island, a land of bliss and contentment in body and mind.
Wonder Woman is incospicuous and does not branch too much, making her ideal for confined gardens such as balconies, or for sea of green farming. This 60/40 hybrid is quite indica in appearance, reaching only 2-3 feet when flowerin in induced at 1 foot. Outdoor plants usually reach a petite 4-5 feet at full maturity.
For the best THC levels, indoor cultivation is recommended. Nirvana prefers hydroponics for the strongest yields and the most solid colas. One especially good technique for Wonder Woman is to prune her top plus four branches, staking them in a sea of green setup with 16 plants per square meter. That can translate toa superheroic yield of 700 grams per square meter under 600 watts of light. This plant can also be pushed to high EC levels - 2.4 to 2.6 Outdoors, Wonder Woman produces mega-buds in Mediterranean climates like Spain or California, but her powers are weakened by mold susceptibility in humid areas. Wonder Woman's buds are very dense, and easy to trim.
Interestingly, Nirvana's website says 8-10 weeks... Just keep an eye on them, trichomes don't lie!
I was poking around in the same strain library and took a peek at Greenhouse's White Widow and found this:
Greenhouse suggests changing the lighting to 8 hours during the last 2 weeks of flowering in order to halt regrowth of on the buds and produce just enough stress to coax out the maximum amount of sticky resin per inch.
The Force is strong in you brother Krip!
I found this in one of the strain libraries, and thought you might find it interesting since you had said you hadn't had a chance to read up on the strain.
Wonder Woman
[Nirvana Seed Bank]
Indica 60 / Sativa 40
Origins - Ice x Top 44
Flowering - 49-63 days
Harvest - Early October
This all-female strain is strong yet seductive, a fast-growing skunk with a pleasing, balanced high, and a truly heroic harvest - over half kilo per square meter.
Wonder Woman's mother is Ice, an award winning strain (1998 Cannabis Cup) that combines Afghani, Skunk, Northern Lights and Shiva genetics into a very stable plant with a rich layer of trichomes, a heavy stone and a fuel-like aroma. This mother was winner in the 1998 Cannabis Cup. Her father is actually another femal plant, a beautiful Top 44 that Nirvana manipulated using giverellic acid to produce male flowers. Top 44 is one of Nirvana's flagship commercial strains. It's the fastest-flowering indoor variety they have, ripe and ready in just over 6 weeks under perfect conditions. As a smoke, Top 44 is dep and skunky with a long lasting buzz. these parents give Wonder Woman her superpowers - fast maturation, mighty yields, feminized seeds (there are no males in the bunch), and a durable high. this amazing amazon lassos the stoner for a long, relaxing stay on Paradise Island, a land of bliss and contentment in body and mind.
Wonder Woman is incospicuous and does not branch too much, making her ideal for confined gardens such as balconies, or for sea of green farming. This 60/40 hybrid is quite indica in appearance, reaching only 2-3 feet when flowerin in induced at 1 foot. Outdoor plants usually reach a petite 4-5 feet at full maturity.
For the best THC levels, indoor cultivation is recommended. Nirvana prefers hydroponics for the strongest yields and the most solid colas. One especially good technique for Wonder Woman is to prune her top plus four branches, staking them in a sea of green setup with 16 plants per square meter. That can translate toa superheroic yield of 700 grams per square meter under 600 watts of light. This plant can also be pushed to high EC levels - 2.4 to 2.6 Outdoors, Wonder Woman produces mega-buds in Mediterranean climates like Spain or California, but her powers are weakened by mold susceptibility in humid areas. Wonder Woman's buds are very dense, and easy to trim.
Interestingly, Nirvana's website says 8-10 weeks... Just keep an eye on them, trichomes don't lie!
I was poking around in the same strain library and took a peek at Greenhouse's White Widow and found this:
Greenhouse suggests changing the lighting to 8 hours during the last 2 weeks of flowering in order to halt regrowth of on the buds and produce just enough stress to coax out the maximum amount of sticky resin per inch.
The Force is strong in you brother Krip!
They look delicious sqwheels!
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420fied,
So nice to see you, and thanks for the compliment, they're considerably bigger than I originally intended but they are looking good. I think I'll be choppin them in about a week.
So nice to see you, and thanks for the compliment, they're considerably bigger than I originally intended but they are looking good. I think I'll be choppin them in about a week.
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Quick update...
I took these Tuesday morning...some weird yellow flowers within the buds. Anybody know what these are?
same pic, close up
Another bud with yellow things
close up
and another
up close
and another
close up
Pretty little bud on Wonder Woman clone, just had to include it too.
And this is what my backyard looked like @ 5:30am Tuesday morning...YUK, I hate winter. We got 8.4" overnight Urgh. Did I tell y'all, I hate winter?
Those branches hanging to the ground are usually up above the roof of the shed. This was the heaviest snow I've seen in a very long time.
If you have any ideas on these little yellow flower things, let me know. I've seen this before but can't remember in who's journal, all of these are on the White Widow...a hermie seed.
Thanks y'all, for looking. Comments always welcome.
I took these Tuesday morning...some weird yellow flowers within the buds. Anybody know what these are?
same pic, close up
Another bud with yellow things
close up
and another
up close
and another
close up
Pretty little bud on Wonder Woman clone, just had to include it too.
And this is what my backyard looked like @ 5:30am Tuesday morning...YUK, I hate winter. We got 8.4" overnight Urgh. Did I tell y'all, I hate winter?
Those branches hanging to the ground are usually up above the roof of the shed. This was the heaviest snow I've seen in a very long time.
If you have any ideas on these little yellow flower things, let me know. I've seen this before but can't remember in who's journal, all of these are on the White Widow...a hermie seed.
Thanks y'all, for looking. Comments always welcome.
Sqwheels, those little yellow pods are known as "nanners" (cuz' they look like bananas!) and they are pollen sacs. I'm sorry to report that it looks like you have a hermie. 
But, you said it was from a hermie seed, and hermie seeds are prone to hermie, too.
This late in bloom, I'd just pick off as many as you can and look for new ones each day and pick them off. You can collect and save the pollen in the freezer for breeding, if desired.
You may notice some seeds in some of your buds if any of the sacs opened and pollinated any of the plants.
But, you said it was from a hermie seed, and hermie seeds are prone to hermie, too.
This late in bloom, I'd just pick off as many as you can and look for new ones each day and pick them off. You can collect and save the pollen in the freezer for breeding, if desired.
You may notice some seeds in some of your buds if any of the sacs opened and pollinated any of the plants.
/cry, sorry to hear/see that. do your best.