I find the wonder woman doesnt stink much til the final week or two of flower...
Sqwheels' Perpetual 2L Hempy + Moms
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treezzz
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hey, regarding the curling "claw" effect of your leaves on your haze: i read today in Jorge Cervantes' "Bible" pg. 380 that Haze strains are "hypersensitive to fertilizer. Leaves curl when given a slight overdose."
idk if that resolves your issue at all with "the claw" but its somethin to look into
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Hi T,
Not Haze... White Widow.
Not Haze... White Widow.
treezzz
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Hi T,
Not Haze... White Widow.
yeah sorry i was responding to thecrimsonk's post cause i happened to read somethin about it today. but i don't know what would be causing the same problem in your white widows
Steve McStoferson
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yeah thats typically the cause, I guess she's just a sensitive pheno or something because I have a hard time getting it perfect, but over time I'll get her down.. she still yields great and smokes even better.
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CK&Treezzz,
Sorry guys I lost the thread of conversation for a sec...I think my claw problem is the same, nute sensitive. In the last few days I flushed her good and gave just water for a day, then just PK10/11, then a small dose of nutes. She seems to have responded well.
Some "phenos" ?? is that the same as strain? Are more sensitive and show this as "the claw" instead of tip burn. The Wonder Woman has just slight tip burn, but she's in promix and the White Widow is in perl/verm.
Thanks for looking
Sorry guys I lost the thread of conversation for a sec...I think my claw problem is the same, nute sensitive. In the last few days I flushed her good and gave just water for a day, then just PK10/11, then a small dose of nutes. She seems to have responded well.
Some "phenos" ?? is that the same as strain? Are more sensitive and show this as "the claw" instead of tip burn. The Wonder Woman has just slight tip burn, but she's in promix and the White Widow is in perl/verm.
Thanks for looking
Sqwheels, it's like "strains" but "phenos" are the different characteristics that can be demonstrated within a particular strain. For example, a specific indica/sativa cross may produce seeds, some of which produce "phenos" with large, indica-looking leaves, while other seeds produce plants that are of a "phenotype" with long, sativa-looking leaves. Both plants would be of the same strain, just different phenotypes. I hope that helps!
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Hi All 
It's that time again...
Weekly Update...White Widow and original Wonder Woman are now @ 28 days flower. The 3 Wonder Woman clones are @ 21
Group Shot
A bunch of White Widow
main cola
Her bud sites are symetical all the way down
I let her veg waayyy too long, look how many branches she has
and she's loaded with popcorn buds
Wonder Woman
It's kinda dark...sorry
A little better from the top
Her main tops
Group shot of the Wonder Woman clones now @ 21 days flower, before defoliation
their tops
After defoliation
Ok, enough of the visuals, here's a few thoughts...
When defoliatiing last week I don't think I took enough off of the white widow and wonder woman, and maybe I went a little overboard today on the 3 clones. Not quite sure how much I'm suppose to remove. If you have a method to share, please do...
Happy Growing Everybody
It's that time again...Weekly Update...White Widow and original Wonder Woman are now @ 28 days flower. The 3 Wonder Woman clones are @ 21
Group Shot
A bunch of White Widow
main cola
Her bud sites are symetical all the way down
I let her veg waayyy too long, look how many branches she has
and she's loaded with popcorn buds
Wonder Woman
It's kinda dark...sorry
A little better from the top
Her main tops
Group shot of the Wonder Woman clones now @ 21 days flower, before defoliation
their tops
After defoliation
Ok, enough of the visuals, here's a few thoughts...
When defoliatiing last week I don't think I took enough off of the white widow and wonder woman, and maybe I went a little overboard today on the 3 clones. Not quite sure how much I'm suppose to remove. If you have a method to share, please do...
Happy Growing Everybody
Hi Sqwheels - they're looking good! As far as defoliation - there are as many methods and beliefs as there are strains it seems. Some people are adamant that you shouldn't remove any fan leaves unless needed, but more and more people are going the other extreme and removing a lot of fan leaves. I believe 420fied and some others defoliate at 20 and 40 days, which is the program I'm following at the moment to see how well I like defoliating. I've always defoliated sparingly, but I'm just now experimenting with a bit more.
There really isn't a "right" answer to your question, though many people will swear by their chosen path. Hard to argue with the success 420fied has had with really heavy defoliation - and I would continue to emulate him if it were me as you are trying to grow in a style he has mastered really well.
I think Docbud put it something like this: Not defoliating may produce more overall bud growth on an outdoor plant, but on an indoor plant you will have more underdeveloped and not "prime" grade bud. Defoliating will give your primary buds and budsites much better light, and a heavier "usable" yield - which is much more practical indoors.
I'm sure the defoliating you did will be just fine!
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There really isn't a "right" answer to your question, though many people will swear by their chosen path. Hard to argue with the success 420fied has had with really heavy defoliation - and I would continue to emulate him if it were me as you are trying to grow in a style he has mastered really well.
I think Docbud put it something like this: Not defoliating may produce more overall bud growth on an outdoor plant, but on an indoor plant you will have more underdeveloped and not "prime" grade bud. Defoliating will give your primary buds and budsites much better light, and a heavier "usable" yield - which is much more practical indoors.
I'm sure the defoliating you did will be just fine!
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Hi scratch,
ya, a pretty big pile all right, but that all came from 3 plants, and some of them were as big as my hand. I know the light will penetrate much better now. Hopefully they will get bigger buds now.
X,
thanks for the input, it seems to be the case with almost everything...each gardener has there favorite way of doing things. I agree 420fied has definately mastered his style...I hope I can do the same with a little experimentation
Did I mention I love growing???
ya, a pretty big pile all right, but that all came from 3 plants, and some of them were as big as my hand. I know the light will penetrate much better now. Hopefully they will get bigger buds now.
X,
thanks for the input, it seems to be the case with almost everything...each gardener has there favorite way of doing things. I agree 420fied has definately mastered his style...I hope I can do the same with a little experimentation
Did I mention I love growing???
treezzz
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that original wonder woman is looking awesome. congratulations on your flowering progress 
keep up the good work! do you have any speculations on how long til you harvest? i just ordered 5 fem. white widow seeds from nirvana a couple days ago. i can't wait to get em started. i love growing too
keep up the good work! do you have any speculations on how long til you harvest? i just ordered 5 fem. white widow seeds from nirvana a couple days ago. i can't wait to get em started. i love growing too 
OG13
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The defoliation will definitely help those popcorn buds get better. I don't think you will regret it. We can tell you like growing.....
Steve McStoferson
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defoliation is a wonderful thing for the plants, it will make your buds swell much quicker, I do it all the time since my tent gets really crowded and have only seen good results from it. I take off about as much as you, pretty much every fan leaf coming from a main stem gets removed. A couple on the main cola I leave just if they're hard to get to
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that original wonder woman is looking awesome. congratulations on your flowering progress
Hi Treezzz,
Thanks for the kind words, I agree she looks pretty good, in spite of me. I may have to stake her soon, while watching today I noticed her colas are getting heavy and sway in the air now, I don't want her to fall over.
Harvest?? Good question. Today makes 30 days, I haven't looked to see what the recommended flower time is on any of the plants I've grown, I just watch the plant...so far I've only seen a few buds with red hairs and they seem to be getting bigger by the day, I haven't even looked at the trics close up but I can see them getting that moist/frosty look. I like to harvest when they are about 60/40 cloudy/amber...maybe 3-4 more weeks.
Good luck with those WW beans...watch out for nute sensitivity, all the WW I've grown have shown signs of the claw.
Pretty plants sqwheels! Keep up the good work.
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OG13, CK20,
Yep, I swear I could see them growing today. I just wondered how one decides which leaves to pinch and which ones to let alone. Like I said before I was a little sparing on the White Widow and original Wonder Woman last week, but I plan on doing it again @ 42 days, I'll take all of them at that time, I'm going to try to make shaker hash. And I think I'll end up harvesting shortly after that and it will cut down on trimming.
for looking in and helping out...much appreciated.
Steve McStoferson
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I pretty much trim all leaves with a stem when I defoliate, leaving a few on top
Hi Sqwheels! How does your garden grow? 
Hope you are well. I really stripped my ladies the other day, much like CrimsonK20 stated, pretty much anything with a stem, except for a few that aren't in the way of anything.
Hope you are well. I really stripped my ladies the other day, much like CrimsonK20 stated, pretty much anything with a stem, except for a few that aren't in the way of anything.
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Hi All Another weekly update
35 days for the Widow and original Wonder Woman...She is so top heavy now, this morning when I opened the doors she had almost fallen over two of her colas were completely leaning on her sister, T and I have since staked and tied her, it ain't pretty but at least she won't fall over.
these are a couple of the widow...she's got some yellow leaves towards the bottom, but I think that may be normal for this stage, overall she looks pretty good
I only got a couple of wonder woman, I didn't want to touch her for fear of breaking a stem
And the wonder woman clones..group 28 days
and a bud
They are super sticky now, my photos don't tell the tale. I can't hardly touch them, and they are sticking to each other too.
I found a pollen pod on the widow earlier this week, I had been checking everyday up until about 27 days after that I thought I was safe, but no such luck. I only found one and I picked it off but it may be too late. I'm not killing her at this late stage, if I get seeds...so be it.
I checked trics today for the first time, they are about 10% amber. And they look totally different. The Widow's are shorter with thinner stems and big bulbs, the wonder woman's are nearly twice as tall and the stems are twice as thick with huge bulbs.
I need to figure out how to use macros on my camera, those trics are wild, I wish I could show them to you.
I've been sick all week with some stupid head cold that my son brought home, so I'm going to keep this short, I'll try to catch up on your journals soon.
Happy Growing Everybody
Another weekly update35 days for the Widow and original Wonder Woman...She is so top heavy now, this morning when I opened the doors she had almost fallen over two of her colas were completely leaning on her sister, T and I have since staked and tied her, it ain't pretty but at least she won't fall over.
these are a couple of the widow...she's got some yellow leaves towards the bottom, but I think that may be normal for this stage, overall she looks pretty good
I only got a couple of wonder woman, I didn't want to touch her for fear of breaking a stem
And the wonder woman clones..group 28 days
and a bud
They are super sticky now, my photos don't tell the tale. I can't hardly touch them, and they are sticking to each other too.
I found a pollen pod on the widow earlier this week, I had been checking everyday up until about 27 days after that I thought I was safe, but no such luck. I only found one and I picked it off but it may be too late. I'm not killing her at this late stage, if I get seeds...so be it.
I checked trics today for the first time, they are about 10% amber. And they look totally different. The Widow's are shorter with thinner stems and big bulbs, the wonder woman's are nearly twice as tall and the stems are twice as thick with huge bulbs.
I need to figure out how to use macros on my camera, those trics are wild, I wish I could show them to you.
I've been sick all week with some stupid head cold that my son brought home, so I'm going to keep this short, I'll try to catch up on your journals soon.
Happy Growing Everybody
Looking very nice! keep it up, get well.