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Spimps NLxBB Auto Micro CFL's 2013
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yeah but its 3 times better with a 400wMorning.
Had some company last night and we had a serious bong sessionFelt like I was a teenager again.
You guys think a 150HPS fixture t 16,000 lumens is better than 312w cfls? I actually do. I found the setup for like 60 bucks. Thats $100 less than a 400w.
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I am smoking on Blue Dream. The plant is Blue Mammoth. She is 56ish days.Blue Dream that looks so good, I want one.
How does it taste if done before?
How old is sweet blue....
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Damn it! I know your right Fish Cake. Unfortunatly 400w may be out of the budget. Im getting hell over $60...yeah but its 3 times better with a 400w
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It's not quite 3 times better, only nearly.
150 W HPS plus Cfls FTW
150 W HPS plus Cfls FTW
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moved post, hate tresspassers
dpa277777
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Ok now i know (What were we talking about 
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I did debug g=c800:5 that works also.
Does anyone ever walk into a room and "say say to myself Whoo Whoo hoo hoo " what did i come in here for?
Oah yea i know now, where is a good place to get some glass curing jars different sizes that dont break the bank
)I did debug g=c800:5 that works also.
Does anyone ever walk into a room and "say say to myself Whoo Whoo hoo hoo " what did i come in here for?
Oah yea i know now, where is a good place to get some glass curing jars different sizes that dont break the bank
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just some info on the lumins, my 400watt dual spec hps put out 55,000 lumins with the dual spectrum hps bulb, with the standard hps bulb it gives out 65,000 lumins,
not sure on mh bulbs as ive not bought one to use in it, ive not bought the hps bulb either but been checking them out, so mine runs are 55,000 lumins on full power using the dual spectrum sunmaster bulb,
not sure on mh bulbs as ive not bought one to use in it, ive not bought the hps bulb either but been checking them out, so mine runs are 55,000 lumins on full power using the dual spectrum sunmaster bulb,
I'VE BEEN SAVING ALL GROCERY JARS; MAYO, TOMATO SAUCE, JELLY, ETC. I HAVE 5 SO FAR. FOR A SMALL GROW SUCH AS MINES I'LL HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH COME HARVEST.
forgot the price, i got it off the well known auction site, cost me £65 and i got the digital ballast, bat wing hood, sunmaster 400watt dual spectrum hps bulb, really long power lead for some reason they sent this realy long power lead, which worked out well as it saved me using extension cables, plus included delivery,
not sure what the exchange is from £ to $ but i think its around £1 = $1.50 or slightly more, ill check the exchage rate, checked its £1 = $1.55, it used to be pretty much £1 for $1 ages ago, im pretty sure it was, maybe im wrong, but the exchange is £1 = $1.55,
not sure what the exchange is from £ to $ but i think its around £1 = $1.50 or slightly more, ill check the exchage rate, checked its £1 = $1.55, it used to be pretty much £1 for $1 ages ago, im pretty sure it was, maybe im wrong, but the exchange is £1 = $1.55,
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I need another light for the bathroom. Do you have any good sites to share.
I just today started germination of White Widow 2seeds, Northern Lights 2 seeds, PowerPlant 2 seeds, Big Bud 1 seed and AK47 autoflowering and feminized 1 seed.
i need more light power Scotty give me all you got!
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Dp and Spaniard, my Apollo 400 watt MH which I am using now is 36,000 lumens, it is 20,000 lumens less than my HPS
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I read on my Apollo box for the HPS, initial lumens is 54,000, I guess that indicates degradation as the life of the bulb progresses. Wonder why an HPS Has a different lumen rate. You would think based on wattage, for instance 400 watt, that every HPS would put out the same lumens. What makes the difference?
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It's not quite 3 times better, only nearly.
150 W HPS plus Cfls FTW
I agree with Rico, every little bump up helps Spimp, and for what you have now, that's a good jump!
it could be anything, different brands produce different lumins, i know the dual spec bulbs produce less lumins but they have more of the blue spectrum in them so probably burn a bit different,
didnt know mh put out much lower lumins, if im right the mh is also a hotter running bulb as well,
but ive seen bulbs fpr hps that say anything from 55,000 to 65,000 lumins for a 400watt, not sure on 1000watt bulbs though as not looked at them, i wa going to buy a regular hps bulb for flower for the extra lumins but with the dual spec bulb the plants getting the best of both worlds just like it does outdoors.
my light is 2 years old now so i need to replace the bulb as lumins do drop over time, but the bulb says its good for so many hours on the box, ill check tomorrow and see how many hours it says its good for,
but really not sure apart from the brands and the way the bulbs are produced, also a 400 watt ballast will use slightly more than 400watt, the cheaper brands possibly dont but i read that most use more than the stated 400watts at full power or if they dont have power settings then they use more when their on than the 400watt rating,
but if you check the auction sites and the different bulbs you will see the lumins do differ depending on brand, ive not checked the mh bulbs yet as ive only used this dual spec bulb so never changed it, i might get a mh and hps bulb and see how they do with the next grow,
@dpa, check out our sponsors, they do some great lights and good prices, the new led's seem to work really well as well, i know they cost more but if i had the cash id certainly pick one up, lower running costs, lower temps and great results, leds have come along way, before they gave poor results but now their doing really well,
so check the sponsors for lights, im sure you will find something that would be perfect, just depends on room size the bigger the room the bigger the light, im running a 3ft by 3ft room so 400watts is ideal for my size room, but im tempted to try a higher wattage as i dont think the penetration is that good after more than a few feet, when my plants get big the lower branches really suffer so lst and removing lower branches helps increase yield,
i got mine off the auction site but that was just as i was starting to grow, when i purchase my next light it will possible be an led from one of our sponsors as ive seen some good results and heard good things,
didnt know mh put out much lower lumins, if im right the mh is also a hotter running bulb as well,
but ive seen bulbs fpr hps that say anything from 55,000 to 65,000 lumins for a 400watt, not sure on 1000watt bulbs though as not looked at them, i wa going to buy a regular hps bulb for flower for the extra lumins but with the dual spec bulb the plants getting the best of both worlds just like it does outdoors.
my light is 2 years old now so i need to replace the bulb as lumins do drop over time, but the bulb says its good for so many hours on the box, ill check tomorrow and see how many hours it says its good for,
but really not sure apart from the brands and the way the bulbs are produced, also a 400 watt ballast will use slightly more than 400watt, the cheaper brands possibly dont but i read that most use more than the stated 400watts at full power or if they dont have power settings then they use more when their on than the 400watt rating,
but if you check the auction sites and the different bulbs you will see the lumins do differ depending on brand, ive not checked the mh bulbs yet as ive only used this dual spec bulb so never changed it, i might get a mh and hps bulb and see how they do with the next grow,
@dpa, check out our sponsors, they do some great lights and good prices, the new led's seem to work really well as well, i know they cost more but if i had the cash id certainly pick one up, lower running costs, lower temps and great results, leds have come along way, before they gave poor results but now their doing really well,
so check the sponsors for lights, im sure you will find something that would be perfect, just depends on room size the bigger the room the bigger the light, im running a 3ft by 3ft room so 400watts is ideal for my size room, but im tempted to try a higher wattage as i dont think the penetration is that good after more than a few feet, when my plants get big the lower branches really suffer so lst and removing lower branches helps increase yield,
i got mine off the auction site but that was just as i was starting to grow, when i purchase my next light it will possible be an led from one of our sponsors as ive seen some good results and heard good things,
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Well didnt pull the trigger yet because I discovered another 150w HPS but this one has a remote ballast for $70. That eliminates alot of th heat issues I would have. Rico, I really like the combo idea I think Alex suggested it earlier as well.
There is no question I would rather have a 400w or600w but then Im looking at alot more cost other than the light. Tent, ventilation, etc your talking min 3-400$ and Im not sure that would cover it.
As far as lumens go, Check out this chart:
It would appear that a 150w at 12 inches has roughly the same lumens as a 40w at 24 inches??
There is no question I would rather have a 400w or600w but then Im looking at alot more cost other than the light. Tent, ventilation, etc your talking min 3-400$ and Im not sure that would cover it.
As far as lumens go, Check out this chart:
It would appear that a 150w at 12 inches has roughly the same lumens as a 40w at 24 inches??
yep, its all about the distance from the bulb, its about getting the balance right, with a 400 watt hps the best distance is anything from 8 to 12 inches, without a hood i can run mine at 12inches from tops of the plants, any closer and i get heat stress. but you also need to consider the spread of light, the closer the light is to the plant the less the light is spread out, so finding the sweet spot is vital,
so a 150 watt bulb can be much closer due to lower temps but it also covers a smaller area, i find 1ft is about the best range from the tops of the plants for my light, if i had a cool hood i could have it closer but then id lose the spread of light, at 1ft it still covers 3ft by 3ft but any closer and it starts putting other plants in the shade, so getting the height just right really pays off,
i start with the light high like 2ft from plants and lower it a inch or 2 and keep checking the temps, when i got to 1ft from top of the plants i found temps where ideal and the light still covered the whole room, if i had a cool tube and could get to 7 inches from the plants then id be getting the same light as a 1000watt bulb at 1ft from the plants, which sounds ok but you lose the light coverage as your to close to the plants, it would create to much shadow and other plants would suffer. i find 1ft works well but when growing more than 1 plant you end up raising pots on books and bits of wood to keep the canopy even across all the plants.
if you check with the cfls and hold your hand on the bulb then slowly lower it away after a couple of inches the brightness really drops off, so cfls need to be close, even though 1 cfl can light up a whole living room but its not enough to grow plants so they need to be much closer, with the hid lights you can also get to close and it can cause problems for young plants as it can bleach the leaves, so its either best to have the light pretty high on seedlings and clones for the first few weeks
so a 150 watt bulb can be much closer due to lower temps but it also covers a smaller area, i find 1ft is about the best range from the tops of the plants for my light, if i had a cool hood i could have it closer but then id lose the spread of light, at 1ft it still covers 3ft by 3ft but any closer and it starts putting other plants in the shade, so getting the height just right really pays off,
i start with the light high like 2ft from plants and lower it a inch or 2 and keep checking the temps, when i got to 1ft from top of the plants i found temps where ideal and the light still covered the whole room, if i had a cool tube and could get to 7 inches from the plants then id be getting the same light as a 1000watt bulb at 1ft from the plants, which sounds ok but you lose the light coverage as your to close to the plants, it would create to much shadow and other plants would suffer. i find 1ft works well but when growing more than 1 plant you end up raising pots on books and bits of wood to keep the canopy even across all the plants.
if you check with the cfls and hold your hand on the bulb then slowly lower it away after a couple of inches the brightness really drops off, so cfls need to be close, even though 1 cfl can light up a whole living room but its not enough to grow plants so they need to be much closer, with the hid lights you can also get to close and it can cause problems for young plants as it can bleach the leaves, so its either best to have the light pretty high on seedlings and clones for the first few weeks
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Ya I have showed my GF how poorly the CFL retains lumens by do the hand lower thing. its really impressive when you have 12 in a small box and at the bottom your hand looks really dark. Im pretty sure if money wasnt the issue, shed let me setup a tent and 400w. She is a smoker too and she sees the work ive put in for the small returns.
Im trying to figure out a way with the least amount of wiring possible to use the CFL's as well. Mayb some typ of bracket to hold a power strip and I could use the plug adapters I already have. Not sure yet.
I ent ahead and started germing my gdp bean. And of course as soon as I did Bubba Kush starting looking a tiny bit better. Shs still on life support though. I plan on doing a lot of toppin and attempting a total SCRoG from wall to wall. With my current rig, I have very good coverage, but with low lumens and penatration.
Im trying to figure out a way with the least amount of wiring possible to use the CFL's as well. Mayb some typ of bracket to hold a power strip and I could use the plug adapters I already have. Not sure yet.
I ent ahead and started germing my gdp bean. And of course as soon as I did Bubba Kush starting looking a tiny bit better. Shs still on life support though. I plan on doing a lot of toppin and attempting a total SCRoG from wall to wall. With my current rig, I have very good coverage, but with low lumens and penatration.
TODAY I'VE ALSO LEARNED A LOT ABOUT LIGHTING HERE IN THE HOUSE THAT SPIMPSTER BUILT. TODAY WAS A GOOD DAY & august was a good month
when i had all my cfls rigged up i had a big metal thing, like a shelf out of a fridge but not the same just pretty similar, then i went to the hardware store and bought a load of light fittings, cost next to nothing to buy, then as cfls are low watts i just ran one plug and ran 6 or 7 lights off it, i just connected them all together,
so the plug wires connected to one bulb holder, then i added wires from that bulb holder to the next bulb holder, so i had 6 or 7 bulbs running off the one plug, i ended up using around 400watts though so switched to hps, but i still use cfls for the first couple of weeks as i dont get any stretch at all under cfls, when i grow seedlings under the hps they stretch and fall over, so the first 2 weeks are under cfls sometimes more.
the best watt to lumin ratio is the 23 watt cfls, so i was running a load of 23watt and 30 watt cfls as they had the best lumin per watt, so made sense to use them, i always have plenty of the 2700k cfls as i keep getting them free from my energy supplier or out of vouchers in the paper, i got a drawer full of them still in the boxes they posted them out in, the send them out for free in packs of 4, it was the 6400k cfls i had problems getting, couldnt buy them anywhere,
then i went into a toolstation like place, big trade place, like a warehouse with a counter and looked in the catalogue, under the bulb section they didnt list any bulbs of that type, so i looked at the security light section and found a security light that was using cfls, just below the security light code was a code for the 23 watt 6400k cfls, so i managed to get some pretty cheap, this trade plant also did the 150 watt hps as well, their like big security lights flood lights their called, actually the bulb was enclosed in a case,
so the 150 watt hps i seen in this trade place was for using outdoors to light up the side of buildings, so it came in this black case with a sheet of glass covering the bulb and reflector, so those would run much cooler as it was a sealed unit, i was going to pick one up myself but then got the 400 watt light, but it would of been ideal as it wasnt expensive, plus you could even rip it apart and lose the case and just ues the ballast and bulb and change the hood, but it come all enclosed with its own reflector, i think it would of worked well,
so try looking at the trade place for these hps floodlights, they also did mh flood lights as well, thats where i was going to get my hps and mh bulbs from if i was going to change from the dual spec bulb, i think the 150watt hps floodlight was about £27 all together and came with the bulb, ill try and find the catalogue and check the price, but i know it was pretty cheap as i was going to buy 3 or 4,
so the plug wires connected to one bulb holder, then i added wires from that bulb holder to the next bulb holder, so i had 6 or 7 bulbs running off the one plug, i ended up using around 400watts though so switched to hps, but i still use cfls for the first couple of weeks as i dont get any stretch at all under cfls, when i grow seedlings under the hps they stretch and fall over, so the first 2 weeks are under cfls sometimes more.
the best watt to lumin ratio is the 23 watt cfls, so i was running a load of 23watt and 30 watt cfls as they had the best lumin per watt, so made sense to use them, i always have plenty of the 2700k cfls as i keep getting them free from my energy supplier or out of vouchers in the paper, i got a drawer full of them still in the boxes they posted them out in, the send them out for free in packs of 4, it was the 6400k cfls i had problems getting, couldnt buy them anywhere,
then i went into a toolstation like place, big trade place, like a warehouse with a counter and looked in the catalogue, under the bulb section they didnt list any bulbs of that type, so i looked at the security light section and found a security light that was using cfls, just below the security light code was a code for the 23 watt 6400k cfls, so i managed to get some pretty cheap, this trade plant also did the 150 watt hps as well, their like big security lights flood lights their called, actually the bulb was enclosed in a case,
so the 150 watt hps i seen in this trade place was for using outdoors to light up the side of buildings, so it came in this black case with a sheet of glass covering the bulb and reflector, so those would run much cooler as it was a sealed unit, i was going to pick one up myself but then got the 400 watt light, but it would of been ideal as it wasnt expensive, plus you could even rip it apart and lose the case and just ues the ballast and bulb and change the hood, but it come all enclosed with its own reflector, i think it would of worked well,
so try looking at the trade place for these hps floodlights, they also did mh flood lights as well, thats where i was going to get my hps and mh bulbs from if i was going to change from the dual spec bulb, i think the 150watt hps floodlight was about £27 all together and came with the bulb, ill try and find the catalogue and check the price, but i know it was pretty cheap as i was going to buy 3 or 4,
Are you talking about those real bright lights that they use outside on the buildings walkways? Wouldnt those be too bright & hot