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lmao...no it never stops bro...well not anytime soon anyways
lmao...no it never stops bro...well not anytime soon anyways
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happy 420 jon and everyone!
happy 420 jon and everyone!
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Happy 420 everyone
Happy 420 everyone
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Happy 420...420
Happy 420...420
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Hey bro,
Happy 4/20 to you!
Hey bro,
Happy 4/20 to you!
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Happy 420 guys!!
Happy 420 guys!!
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420 !! have a good one jon!
420 !! have a good one jon!
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happy 420 jon!! hope your weekend was a good one!
interesting clip!! but i did find this reply of equal interest.. and did go back to notice that the sensors werent pointing directly at the MH and HPS as it was for the LED:
something to consider for noobs like me that didnt even notice that point...
happy 420 jon!! hope your weekend was a good one!
interesting clip!! but i did find this reply of equal interest.. and did go back to notice that the sensors werent pointing directly at the MH and HPS as it was for the LED:
something to consider for noobs like me that didnt even notice that point...
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Ive been doing alot of reading on flushing lately, what do you guys think of this thread?
Lucas Formula: No Flushing
it seems there are alot of professional growers that dont flush at all, Corey from BPN being one of them if I remember correctly(im waiting for him to answer my e-mail), same goes for the guy that designed my lights, heres what he said on the subject.
"There's a few schools of thought on flushing.
There's the 2 week pure water flush in soil. There's the 2 week pure water flush in hydro.
Then there's tapering down the nute levels towards the end of flowering so at the last days there's really low PPM's.
In some sense, I flush, but I do not do it for 2 weeks.
What I do (hydro only, I quit soil long time ago, it's just dirty), I start the plants as normal, and maintain a normal PPM for the entire grow until the last week, then I taper it down until the last few days, and I time it so there's little to no nute PPM's by harvest day. Water PPM's don't count. I try to have zero nute PPM's on the last 24 hours, which I also do with no light at all.
As for black ash, that has nothing to do with flushing or not flushing, that's due to moisture still in the buds and not burning all the way. A proper drying and a lengthy cure will fix that.
The structure of the buds will dictate how long the dry and curing needs to be. Different strains have different bud structures. So there's no 1 correct length to dry and cure for every strain.
The stem snapping method works well to check dryness. Curing should be at least 30 days no matter what the strain is.
I did a 75 day cure on my Herijuana. That was some tasty stuff, and it burned clean, all white ash, and I grew it with full nutes till the last week, and started tapering it down until there was 350 PPM at harvest time. My water is 125 PPM.
The last couple of weeks the plant packs on a lot of weight, and a full feeding is necessary for a good yield and full potency. It's all about feeding the plant what it needs, keeping it healthy, maintaining all of its leaves, making sure they are nice and green until the end, and timing it so you run out (or almost run out) of nutes at the same time harvest comes around.
Give it a try, you'll be surprised."
when he mentions black ash hes right imo, I personally saw that the ash was dark grey before the cure and now after almost 7 weeks the ash is almost white.
The final 2 weeks of flower is the plants "fattening up stage" right? so why would we want to starve the plant at this crucial stage of developement? I would really like to hear what everybody thinks about this subject.
Ive read several threads that say the salts are stored in the leaves not the flowers, when you flush the leaves turn yellow and die not the flowers so that kinda make sense to me too.They say that a proper manicuring of all the leaves will greatly improve the taste of your nugs.
Ive always stuck to the 2 week flush with final phase and it works well but im wondering if its really nessesary to flush for that long and im wondering if this tecnique affects the yield.
Im looking for feedback from growers that have tried different tecniques here because im already very familiar with the 2 week method
Ive been doing alot of reading on flushing lately, what do you guys think of this thread?
Lucas Formula: No Flushing
it seems there are alot of professional growers that dont flush at all, Corey from BPN being one of them if I remember correctly(im waiting for him to answer my e-mail), same goes for the guy that designed my lights, heres what he said on the subject.
"There's a few schools of thought on flushing.
There's the 2 week pure water flush in soil. There's the 2 week pure water flush in hydro.
Then there's tapering down the nute levels towards the end of flowering so at the last days there's really low PPM's.
In some sense, I flush, but I do not do it for 2 weeks.
What I do (hydro only, I quit soil long time ago, it's just dirty), I start the plants as normal, and maintain a normal PPM for the entire grow until the last week, then I taper it down until the last few days, and I time it so there's little to no nute PPM's by harvest day. Water PPM's don't count. I try to have zero nute PPM's on the last 24 hours, which I also do with no light at all.
As for black ash, that has nothing to do with flushing or not flushing, that's due to moisture still in the buds and not burning all the way. A proper drying and a lengthy cure will fix that.
The structure of the buds will dictate how long the dry and curing needs to be. Different strains have different bud structures. So there's no 1 correct length to dry and cure for every strain.
The stem snapping method works well to check dryness. Curing should be at least 30 days no matter what the strain is.
I did a 75 day cure on my Herijuana. That was some tasty stuff, and it burned clean, all white ash, and I grew it with full nutes till the last week, and started tapering it down until there was 350 PPM at harvest time. My water is 125 PPM.
The last couple of weeks the plant packs on a lot of weight, and a full feeding is necessary for a good yield and full potency. It's all about feeding the plant what it needs, keeping it healthy, maintaining all of its leaves, making sure they are nice and green until the end, and timing it so you run out (or almost run out) of nutes at the same time harvest comes around.
Give it a try, you'll be surprised."
when he mentions black ash hes right imo, I personally saw that the ash was dark grey before the cure and now after almost 7 weeks the ash is almost white.
The final 2 weeks of flower is the plants "fattening up stage" right? so why would we want to starve the plant at this crucial stage of developement? I would really like to hear what everybody thinks about this subject.
Ive read several threads that say the salts are stored in the leaves not the flowers, when you flush the leaves turn yellow and die not the flowers so that kinda make sense to me too.They say that a proper manicuring of all the leaves will greatly improve the taste of your nugs.
Ive always stuck to the 2 week flush with final phase and it works well but im wondering if its really nessesary to flush for that long and im wondering if this tecnique affects the yield.
Im looking for feedback from growers that have tried different tecniques here because im already very familiar with the 2 week method
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well I guess I have never flushed my tomato plants. but I also dont like the idea of smoking chemicals. so this is a good question
I flush I guess because its what I was told to do and it makes sense to me until....I thought about my tomatoes. but then again the nutes are organic
but really whats the difference.
a good weed to you jon
well I guess I have never flushed my tomato plants. but I also dont like the idea of smoking chemicals. so this is a good question
I flush I guess because its what I was told to do and it makes sense to me until....I thought about my tomatoes. but then again the nutes are organic
but really whats the difference.a good weed to you jon
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Heres what Corey said,
"I NEVER flush for 2 weeks. The plants pack on a lot of weight during that time. In hydro (DWC), I always only give plain water for the last 3 or 4 days. I sometimes experiment with mixing some fresh juice from a watermelon or lemons or apples or oranges in an attempt to sweeten the buds in the last 3 days or so because and since they are being chopped so soon, you have little chance of messing anything up. I can't tell if it actually works but my grow room smells really nice the last 2 days or so because of the fruit. The sugars in the fresh fruit can also act as a flushing agent because they will create an osmotic pressure difference that can help pull salts out of the plant if correct.
In promix, I would just flush the last 5-6 days with plain water. 2 weeks is way too long in my opinion. In soil, I always just flush the last 5-6 days with plain water.
For harshness, the main culprit is Magnesium because it burns so hot. do a little research on those survival fire starters that use magnesium and you will see what I am talking about. Flush the magnesium out and it will be less harsh."
The more I read the more what hes saying makes sense to me, why would you want to starve the plant during the "fattening up stage"?
I also read that alot of the harsh taste is due not curing properly and to not trimming properly.They said that nutes store in the leaves, if you trim them proprely so there is no neaf on the nugs they will taste alot better. Im going to try Coreys method this round and see what happens. I ll use final phase 6 days before harvest for 6 hrs and then ph'ed water for the rest. With so many different opinions on this subject I think the best thing is to just find out for myself
Heres what Corey said,
"I NEVER flush for 2 weeks. The plants pack on a lot of weight during that time. In hydro (DWC), I always only give plain water for the last 3 or 4 days. I sometimes experiment with mixing some fresh juice from a watermelon or lemons or apples or oranges in an attempt to sweeten the buds in the last 3 days or so because and since they are being chopped so soon, you have little chance of messing anything up. I can't tell if it actually works but my grow room smells really nice the last 2 days or so because of the fruit. The sugars in the fresh fruit can also act as a flushing agent because they will create an osmotic pressure difference that can help pull salts out of the plant if correct.
In promix, I would just flush the last 5-6 days with plain water. 2 weeks is way too long in my opinion. In soil, I always just flush the last 5-6 days with plain water.
For harshness, the main culprit is Magnesium because it burns so hot. do a little research on those survival fire starters that use magnesium and you will see what I am talking about. Flush the magnesium out and it will be less harsh."
The more I read the more what hes saying makes sense to me, why would you want to starve the plant during the "fattening up stage"?
I also read that alot of the harsh taste is due not curing properly and to not trimming properly.They said that nutes store in the leaves, if you trim them proprely so there is no neaf on the nugs they will taste alot better. Im going to try Coreys method this round and see what happens. I ll use final phase 6 days before harvest for 6 hrs and then ph'ed water for the rest. With so many different opinions on this subject I think the best thing is to just find out for myself
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I chop say 1 plant a day @ harvest time there is definitely a difference in buds of the same variety/clone in a plant from Monday to say Friday , this shows me they are still growing and to grow they need nutrients to develop . I use GH Flora Nova Bloom thru the whole grow veg to chop . its a form of the Lucus Formula , for me kiss [keep it simple stupid or visa versa] = 1 bottle , veg 600-ppm , flower 800-1200 , ph'd water last few days only for me , basically to save nutrients only . with a decent cure the buds are always sweet . I run 5 gallon buckets w/ top drip rings [waterfarm] and as a side note I trim so tight some my growing friends cringe saying I should leave more leaf , I trim close as I want all the sugar for my bubble hash & butter for candy etc and who wants to burn leaf ?
Admire the set up you have & thought that goes into it
I chop say 1 plant a day @ harvest time there is definitely a difference in buds of the same variety/clone in a plant from Monday to say Friday , this shows me they are still growing and to grow they need nutrients to develop . I use GH Flora Nova Bloom thru the whole grow veg to chop . its a form of the Lucus Formula , for me kiss [keep it simple stupid or visa versa] = 1 bottle , veg 600-ppm , flower 800-1200 , ph'd water last few days only for me , basically to save nutrients only . with a decent cure the buds are always sweet . I run 5 gallon buckets w/ top drip rings [waterfarm] and as a side note I trim so tight some my growing friends cringe saying I should leave more leaf , I trim close as I want all the sugar for my bubble hash & butter for candy etc and who wants to burn leaf ?
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Yep I trim the same way, Ive always flushed 2 full weeks but im willing to try just about anything once if it makes sense.Thanks for the kind words and the reps Topdrip
Yep I trim the same way, Ive always flushed 2 full weeks but im willing to try just about anything once if it makes sense.Thanks for the kind words and the reps Topdrip
Alkhemist
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heya jon, thats a great question
like so many other techs that different growers swear by- i think it merely comes down to personal preference... upon saying that tho, there is sound scientific reasoning for various techs that can do various things at different times to stimulate growth etc.
here is a great article from soniq420 that covers the idea quite clearly and succinctly: Flushing: A Tutorial by Papa Green
personally i go with a week long flush MAX.. and as with my last grow(although this was due to circumstances) i only flushed for 3 days- the bud tastes fine, great high, no residual green ring around the end of the J, no dark ash.. seems all good. i think you bring up a great point about the leaves containing chemical/nutrients.. and by trimming properly you can reduce any harshness in the smoke.. as opposed to flushing to reduce harshness.. seems sound reasoning
heya jon, thats a great question
like so many other techs that different growers swear by- i think it merely comes down to personal preference... upon saying that tho, there is sound scientific reasoning for various techs that can do various things at different times to stimulate growth etc.
here is a great article from soniq420 that covers the idea quite clearly and succinctly: Flushing: A Tutorial by Papa Green
personally i go with a week long flush MAX.. and as with my last grow(although this was due to circumstances) i only flushed for 3 days- the bud tastes fine, great high, no residual green ring around the end of the J, no dark ash.. seems all good. i think you bring up a great point about the leaves containing chemical/nutrients.. and by trimming properly you can reduce any harshness in the smoke.. as opposed to flushing to reduce harshness.. seems sound reasoning
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Reps for the link Alkhemist, Your not the first person Ive seen that had to take them down early, and they said the same thing, nugs taste and smoke great. I am by no means a botonist so I have no idea if the nutes stay mostly in the leaves or not but I know that when we flush our ladies the leaves yellow and die but the nugs dont. This could be because they are using up the last of the nutes"stored in the leaves" or it could just be the way the plants protect the flowers long enough to reproduce. Im sure theres tons of literature out there that supports both sides of this topic just like any other topic about growing weed lol... like you said I think it just boils down to personal preference
Reps for the link Alkhemist, Your not the first person Ive seen that had to take them down early, and they said the same thing, nugs taste and smoke great. I am by no means a botonist so I have no idea if the nutes stay mostly in the leaves or not but I know that when we flush our ladies the leaves yellow and die but the nugs dont. This could be because they are using up the last of the nutes"stored in the leaves" or it could just be the way the plants protect the flowers long enough to reproduce. Im sure theres tons of literature out there that supports both sides of this topic just like any other topic about growing weed lol... like you said I think it just boils down to personal preference
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That reminds me.
two guys are standing at the Pearly Gates waiting to get in to heaven.
they start to talk and soon the conversation turns to how did you die.
so one of them asks and the other says"well I froze to death." the other man said "wow that must have been a horrible way to go. did it hurt?"
"well at first it did. my fingers and toes were in terrible pain but then I just kind of went to sleep."the other man said. "what happened to you? how did you buy it?"
the other guy replied "I got off work early, got home and knew right away that my wife was cheating on me. so I ran in the house up the stairs into the bedroom. my wife was in the bed Knitting! so I ran up and searched the attic nothing! so I ran down stairs to the basement and back up and looked in the garage. all that running was just to much for my heart and well here I am."
the other guy says"isn't that Ironic" shaking his head "If you would have just checked the freezer. we both might still be alive!"
That reminds me.
two guys are standing at the Pearly Gates waiting to get in to heaven.
they start to talk and soon the conversation turns to how did you die.
so one of them asks and the other says"well I froze to death." the other man said "wow that must have been a horrible way to go. did it hurt?"
"well at first it did. my fingers and toes were in terrible pain but then I just kind of went to sleep."the other man said. "what happened to you? how did you buy it?"
the other guy replied "I got off work early, got home and knew right away that my wife was cheating on me. so I ran in the house up the stairs into the bedroom. my wife was in the bed Knitting! so I ran up and searched the attic nothing! so I ran down stairs to the basement and back up and looked in the garage. all that running was just to much for my heart and well here I am."
the other guy says"isn't that Ironic" shaking his head "If you would have just checked the freezer. we both might still be alive!"
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good one Fishy!
good one Fishy!
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I don't flush at all... I do stop pro-tekt and cal/mag 2-3 weeks out and reduce what I give but never give zip. I find the cal/mag and pro-tekt will change the flavor. I don't wait 24 hours darkness either... they are taken at lights on after 12 hours dark and they are smelling dank. If they are taken at the end of the lights on cycle they are not even close in dankness. I also find no matter what I am feeding if the cure is proper the product burns fine... what is proper? "Un-cured" bud has flavors that will "change" or "be lost" after the cure. I have even tried a single fresh sweet leaf that tasted like the finest hash I have ever smoked... when dried it tastes, like dried leaf
Ive been doing alot of reading on flushing lately, what do you guys think of this thread?
Lucas Formula: No Flushing
it seems there are alot of professional growers that dont flush at all, Corey from BPN being one of them if I remember correctly(im waiting for him to answer my e-mail), same goes for the guy that designed my lights, heres what he said on the subject.
"There's a few schools of thought on flushing.
There's the 2 week pure water flush in soil. There's the 2 week pure water flush in hydro.
Then there's tapering down the nute levels towards the end of flowering so at the last days there's really low PPM's.
In some sense, I flush, but I do not do it for 2 weeks.
What I do (hydro only, I quit soil long time ago, it's just dirty), I start the plants as normal, and maintain a normal PPM for the entire grow until the last week, then I taper it down until the last few days, and I time it so there's little to no nute PPM's by harvest day. Water PPM's don't count. I try to have zero nute PPM's on the last 24 hours, which I also do with no light at all.
As for black ash, that has nothing to do with flushing or not flushing, that's due to moisture still in the buds and not burning all the way. A proper drying and a lengthy cure will fix that.
The structure of the buds will dictate how long the dry and curing needs to be. Different strains have different bud structures. So there's no 1 correct length to dry and cure for every strain.
The stem snapping method works well to check dryness. Curing should be at least 30 days no matter what the strain is.
I did a 75 day cure on my Herijuana. That was some tasty stuff, and it burned clean, all white ash, and I grew it with full nutes till the last week, and started tapering it down until there was 350 PPM at harvest time. My water is 125 PPM.
The last couple of weeks the plant packs on a lot of weight, and a full feeding is necessary for a good yield and full potency. It's all about feeding the plant what it needs, keeping it healthy, maintaining all of its leaves, making sure they are nice and green until the end, and timing it so you run out (or almost run out) of nutes at the same time harvest comes around.
Give it a try, you'll be surprised."
when he mentions black ash hes right imo, I personally saw that the ash was dark grey before the cure and now after almost 7 weeks the ash is almost white.
The final 2 weeks of flower is the plants "fattening up stage" right? so why would we want to starve the plant at this crucial stage of developement? I would really like to hear what everybody thinks about this subject.
Ive read several threads that say the salts are stored in the leaves not the flowers, when you flush the leaves turn yellow and die not the flowers so that kinda make sense to me too.They say that a proper manicuring of all the leaves will greatly improve the taste of your nugs.
Ive always stuck to the 2 week flush with final phase and it works well but im wondering if its really nessesary to flush for that long and im wondering if this tecnique affects the yield.
Im looking for feedback from growers that have tried different tecniques here because im already very familiar with the 2 week method
I don't flush at all... I do stop pro-tekt and cal/mag 2-3 weeks out and reduce what I give but never give zip. I find the cal/mag and pro-tekt will change the flavor. I don't wait 24 hours darkness either... they are taken at lights on after 12 hours dark and they are smelling dank. If they are taken at the end of the lights on cycle they are not even close in dankness. I also find no matter what I am feeding if the cure is proper the product burns fine... what is proper? "Un-cured" bud has flavors that will "change" or "be lost"
after the cure. I have even tried a single fresh sweet leaf that tasted like the finest hash I have ever smoked... when dried it tastes, like dried leaf - Thread starter
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Right on Buck, thanks for the info Im not sure what im going to try yet, I know that systems like mine that run continuously dont need as long of a flush because the water never stops so alot less salt build up if any because it doesnt dry out. Im thinking 4-5 days.I think im going to follow your lead with the cal/mag, Corey mentioned it will really change the taste and make it really harsh on the exhale.
Right on Buck, thanks for the info
Im not sure what im going to try yet, I know that systems like mine that run continuously dont need as long of a flush because the water never stops so alot less salt build up if any because it doesnt dry out. Im thinking 4-5 days.I think im going to follow your lead with the cal/mag, Corey mentioned it will really change the taste and make it really harsh on the exhale.Similar threads
