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SIP Club - Getting Hydro/Coco Results In A Soil Based Medium
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Pete Detroit
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Nuggs AHOY!!!!It is not so rare to be approved for more than 20 plants.
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Man, I've got 7 plants - one in bloom, two photo's workin' it, and 4 auto's doing the thing - and that's about enough, and they're not EVEN to harvest! That would be a full time freaking proposition!
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How you can taunt Murphey's law so recklessly I'll never know.Good thing that tall one in the back isn't a male. She has a mile high view of the whole grow!
So here's my pots, the generic good ol ones lol
I don't start off in them, they begin in 5.5 inch pots with circular drainage at the bottom
They go from one to the other within 10 days or less.
**8 days of 'SIP' growth between these last 2 photos**
These are currently in 3gl but like I said a page ago, they're gonna move to the 5gl next week, which will be their final home.
Krissi, so I have a couple of these self watering pots but I guess I've never used them right. I just thought that they were to catch the excess water like a built in catch tray. We had some house plants in them but then I have grown a couple of cannabis plants in them but just watered from the top until water came out the fill hole and then waited for the pot to feel light to water again.So here's my pots, the generic good ol ones lol
I don't start off in them, they begin in 5.5 inch pots with circular drainage at the bottom
They go from one to the other within 10 days or less.
**8 days of 'SIP' growth between these last 2 photos**
These are currently in 3gl but like I said a page ago, they're gonna move to the 5gl next week, which will be their final home.
So I can keep the reservoir full by filling from the hole at the base and it won't oversaturate the soil?
What about if you have fabric pots and you keep them in a baby pool or in catch saucers and just keep the saucers full? That won't keep the soil oversaturated?
Day 22 and 7 nodes high. I've been topping several days after they show sex, but I may need to do that sooner since they're ahead of my normal schedule.
Hi Joker!
What makes you think you didn’t use them properly?
Yep, that's basically it, honestly....what size pots were you using and how often are you feeding? With these pots they don't need to get all the way dry, I feed generally every 3 days in Flower and 4 days in Veg when in the 5gl pots. 3gl obviously blow through feeds quicker.
Like I said, I started using these containers in my fruit and vegetable gardens and saw how well my plants took off so it was an easy decision to try them on the cannabis plants.
Not in these pots, they are slightly different than the SIP idea where bottom feeding is done. These pots are fed from the top as you were originally doing it. These pots don't use wicks like the SIP containers do.
Oh yea, that would be bad news bears brother. Those pots would be swimming in that pool and since they don't have a wick like a SIP, the top of those pots would be HUNGRY and DRY, feed would not be distributed evenly.
The thing about this is the 'feet' or 'feeder legs" on my pots; they are what keeps the soil from being oversaturated and the roots from being too wet. They force the plants to search down for the water at the reserve, spreading out the root system. Having the extra water available to them, allows them to drink up more before a regular scheduled feeding would occur-consistently giving the plants more and more stuff to grow. It's like they never need to ask you to feed them again
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Yeah, faster, bigger, healthier plants. We do have to adjust our normal schedule with these pots. Nice "problem" to have though, to be sure.
is anyone running a droughting with this ?
wonder how that works in sip if at all. you can definitely dry the buckets out fast in flower, but as a primarily hydro grow running dry may not work the same.
wonder how that works in sip if at all. you can definitely dry the buckets out fast in flower, but as a primarily hydro grow running dry may not work the same.
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I've got one going right now in 2 Gallons of soil which I think helps slow it down as compared to say perlite or coco Hempy. It's starting flower week 8 and is 7 days in and just starting to show some droop in the lower leaves so I figure a few more days.
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Sounds like a plan. And I hope you'll share some of your SIP photo's over here as well.
A SIP in LOS. Another variation that should be epic!
I surely willn Azi! Let's hope!Sounds like a plan. And I hope you'll share some of your SIP photo's over here as well.
A SIP in LOS. Another variation that should be epic!
So I have a Pothos plant in what I guess is a one gallon size pot and the one I've used a couple of times for outdoor cannabis is probably a 3 gallon size. It doesn't really say the size on the bottom. With the Pothos plant, I water from the top until the reservoir is almost full and then don't water again until the soil feels dry, sticking my finger in. When I've grown cannabis outdoors in the 3 gallon I water from the top until the water runs out the bottom fill hole and then not water again until the pot feels super light. During the heat of late summer/early fall that is probably every 3rd day.
So you shouldn't keep the reservoir full like a SIP pot and still allow the potting medium to dry out like I have been doing.
So the just keeping a pot's drain trays full of water is not a correct strategy and will either under or over water a plant? I have seen videos of people putting their fabric potted plants in a baby pool filled with water with a drain hole drilled in the side about 3 inches or so up from the bottom to keep the water level at the right height. But that wouldn't work for cannabis?
I see, have you tried cannabis in 5gl pots? I have found my autos work well in 3s but love them in 5s and all my photoperiods are alwsys in 5gl containers
I water it til the reservoir is full, almost pouring out and then I just let them soak em up like usual friend.
So cannabis roots, more than others, need air to access nutrients. The air gap that the feed gives as opposes to having it sit in the soil is essential to soil aeration; ensuring the plant's access to oxygen, which, in turn, speeds up the absorption of nutrients. This metabolic energy makes marijuana plants healthy and helps them accumulate valuable cannabinoids.
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Me! Me! Always! And this auto in a 5gl self-feed is Day 1 Drought right now!
Your plants are amazing looking!I see, have you tried cannabis in 5gl pots? I have found my autos work well in 3s but love them in 5s and all my photoperiods are alwsys in 5gl containers
I water it til the reservoir is full, almost pouring out and then I just let them soak em up like usual friend.
So cannabis roots, more than others, need air to access nutrients. The air gap that the feed gives as opposes to having it sit in the soil is essential to soil aeration; ensuring the plant's access to oxygen, which, in turn, speeds up the absorption of nutrients. This metabolic energy makes marijuana plants healthy and helps them accumulate valuable cannabinoids.
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Me! Me! Always! And this auto in a 5gl self-feed is Day 1 Drought right now!
I normally grow in 5 gallon Smart Pots (fabric) outside and also in a couple of 5 gallon buckets, but I have grown plants in this 3 gallon self-watering pot here and there over the years. Last year I grew a Monkey Berries plant from seed in it and this year I grew a Phoenix Fire clone in it when I topped a plant and the top looked too good to throw away.
Plants do seem to grow really well in that pot and actually grow bigger than I would have expected.
So I water/feed the same way you do in this self-watering pot so I guess I am using it right. I pour it in from the top till the reservoir is full when feeding or until it overflows a bit when just watering, then let the plant soak it up. And then I don't water again until the pot is light and used up most of the water in the soil..
how long are you letting it run dry ? i can't see how it would be any different in hempy.
Pete Detroit
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I'm having STUNNING results from a bucket in a saucer - key seems to be vent holes drilled around the bucket every 3" or so to establish the air gap.
Have expanded to 2x 3.5 gal buckets, watching closely, nearly killed the last one (first grow, in SIG)
I keep seeing all these different SIP designs, but still don't understand 1/2 of them. I haven't seen any homemade SIP's that have the side of the res cut out like in this pic.
That cut out goes against the side of the bucket so the drainage hole is lined up with it to create the Air Gap.
I'm not seeing how anything can come out the drainage overflow hole without having this cut out. Sure, a hole at the Top of the res will still create an Air Gap via the Fill Tube; but the overflow hole would be surrounded by soil causing the res to drain slowly before ever getting that Air Gap. I figure I have to have missed something, somewhere. Otherwise, these are working more like Auto Pots than SIP's.
I'm going to build a Big Tote SIP here real soon that I'll veg for about 10 weeks or so. Maybe SCROG it. Planning on doing this once the Auto's I have going finish or get moved to the tent. My plan is to use a smaller Tub turned upside down for a res. My small tub res will be connected to my Grow Tub by either PVC or Rubber hoses to create the Overflow Hole & Air Gap. I'll use a PVC connector in the Top of my Res for the Fill tube so I get a nice tight fit. Sounds like a really simple & effective way to make a SIP to me. Now to find a proper fitting, strong res tub to make this with.
I have everything else on hand.
That cut out goes against the side of the bucket so the drainage hole is lined up with it to create the Air Gap.
I'm not seeing how anything can come out the drainage overflow hole without having this cut out. Sure, a hole at the Top of the res will still create an Air Gap via the Fill Tube; but the overflow hole would be surrounded by soil causing the res to drain slowly before ever getting that Air Gap. I figure I have to have missed something, somewhere. Otherwise, these are working more like Auto Pots than SIP's.
I'm going to build a Big Tote SIP here real soon that I'll veg for about 10 weeks or so. Maybe SCROG it. Planning on doing this once the Auto's I have going finish or get moved to the tent. My plan is to use a smaller Tub turned upside down for a res. My small tub res will be connected to my Grow Tub by either PVC or Rubber hoses to create the Overflow Hole & Air Gap. I'll use a PVC connector in the Top of my Res for the Fill tube so I get a nice tight fit. Sounds like a really simple & effective way to make a SIP to me. Now to find a proper fitting, strong res tub to make this with.
I have everything else on hand.
Can you post some pictures? Where are you drilling the vent holes?
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I use an upside down food storage container in mine to define the reservoir and then I put hydroton clay balls in a section between it and the overflow hole, then pack my soil on each side and the top to keep the balls in place. The balls in turn, keept the soil away from the area between the overflow hole and the reservoir so that there is an easy path for excess water and air to move between the two.
Good observation, though.