SIP Club - Getting Hydro/Coco Results In A Soil Based Medium
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BoohdahLovah
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Day 25 since planting in 5gal / 20L SIP. Cereal Milk clone. I’m loving the results so far. I top fed some stuff yesterday and refilled the res.
I’m just sharing a quick update like a proud dad.
Thanks for all of the info that keeps being shared on this thread. It’s all helping this grow.
I’m just sharing a quick update like a proud dad.
Thanks for all of the info that keeps being shared on this thread. It’s all helping this grow.
Chuckeye
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Day 118 and I have decided to start a drought of sorts, water/feed every Second day !
Both girls have been emptying their reservoirs every day....
Six Shooter auto in a SIP....
Wedding Cheesecake in a hempy bucket....
Side by each !
Cheers
Both girls have been emptying their reservoirs every day....
Six Shooter auto in a SIP....
Wedding Cheesecake in a hempy bucket....
Side by each !
Cheers
Chuckeye
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Looks like maybe a little more than another week for the Wedding Cheesecake but two for the Six Shooter.
Today is day 119 of what the breeder says are 70 days seed to harvest strains
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You and @Bode know what’s best. Breeder be breeders growing in their own setup!
Look banging though!
Look banging though!
Fenderbender
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I mean isn't that for a certain pot size, light hours and feeding schedule... and it kinda goes out the window if you do anything to it.Today is day 119 of what the breeder says are 70 days seed to harvest strains
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Chuckeye
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I haven't come across a seed seller yet that gives any of that information aside from maybe saying a certain strain is a light feeder or is of a certain height....
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TequilaSIPr
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Happy Friday everyone! Day 113 here bought some liqui dirt from the jungle supposed to have alot of goodies in it and some blackstrap molasses tryna swell these buds up im hoping my pistils havent been pollinated somehow changing colors kinda early i think
I assume you're using SIP and plan to use Liquid-dirt as a top dressing?
TequilaSIPr
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I watered some in and put some in the res
smokesbetter
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That looks like a Mud Dabber if it looks like a wasp ?Not sure! I’ve actually left it there. This plant is a bit of an experiment, doesn’t look like anything is harming the plant so I’ll just let it hang out - we do get mantis’s here. Up in the doorframe top right the picture is some other insect home my wife promises isn’t gonna bite or sting. She doesn’t know the English name though.
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That was a lot of words to describe a process that is simply:** Cloning with Azi **
For anyone new at cloning or looking for a simple, effective, and SIP friendly approach I thought I'd detail my process.
I used to be horrible at rooting cuttings, and in fact successfully participated in the International Worst Cloner Of The Year competitions held each year around the world. I never did medal in them as I was always able to get a small percentage to root which kept the lights on, but man did I suck. And the few clones I did get to root took a long time and looked pretty sickly by the time they did.
I tried everything you could imagine including soil, coco, glasses of water, bubble mist cloner contraptions of three different types, DWC, domes, rooting hormones, you name it. Nothing worked very well for me which I attribute to my environment, but I kept at it. I even started a cloning thread recently (which you can read through here ) but for those of you that like to jump straight to the last chapter of the book I'll detail my process below.
My criteria was that I wanted something simple, highly successful, consistent and involved no judgement, no noise, no hardening off, no domes, no pumps, no rooting hormone, no complicated builds, etc and this approach checks all of those boxes.
The Build
Find a container that won't hold water. A regular small nursery pot would work fine but I use a Solo cup with a small hole made with a soldering iron or small drill bit. If you're using cups you can cut a slit with scissors on the side of the cup at the very bottom corner. I make a corresponding hole at the top of the cup so I can easily see where the bottom hole is. I use a clear Solo inside of an opaque one.
Congratulations, your build is finished.
The Medium
Fill the container with something coarse that breathes well; perlite, pumice, or coarse builder's sand.
The Process
I take cuttings from the ends of branches about 4-5"/10-12cm long, trimming away any branches below the top flush of leaves fairly close to the stem but leaving a little stub. The smaller the better as that's less wound for the plant to heal. If you do this step the day before you cut it while the cutting is still attached to the plant you'll get roots a day or two earlier. My theory on this is that the plant will send repair hormones to heal these cuts and these hormones are still present the next day when you actually cut the clone and that helps wth the rooting process. Plus, those wounds will have scabbed over and need less repair effort after the cutting is removed from the plant.
I place the clones in a cup of water immediately after cutting them from the plant and leave them there for 20-30 minutes to let them fully hydrate.
Then make a hole in the medium slightly larger than the stem width with a chopstick or other tool, stick your cutting and firm the medium around the cut by pressing down and around. I have small plants and therefore small cuttings but I can fit 5-10 in a standard Solo cup. Doesn't matter at all if the leaves touch or overlap. Mist the medium well until water drips out the drain hole.
Then mist the leaves twice a day, I do roughly 12 hours apart. When I spray, I place the cups in a large storage container stood on end which contains any overspray. After I'm done I tilt the container on one corner and drain the excess water into another cup for use on other plants. I use straight tap water, left in an open container for 24 hours to help off-gas any chlorine out of habit but really don't think that matters a bit.
I leave the cuttings off to the side, out of direct light and in fact I have a piece of cardboard on the side of the cuttings area to block any direct light. And I keep them in an environment with more than 12 hours of light since I don't want them trying to flower while they're rooting. I keep them in my veg room at 18/6.
I get roots in 7-10 days and usually let them stay in the cups for 3-4 weeks total before potting up but I have potted them at as little as 14 days. I just like a better developed rooting system before I do. I don't feed them or rewet the medium at all while still in the cups as drips from the twice daily misting of the leaves keeps the medium moist enough. Taking more cuttings than I plan to plant allows me to select the best of the best from the group and there are always one or two that are appreciably better than the others.
When my veg room top temps drop below mid-80*'sF/30*C I'll use a heat mat set to that range which helps rooting in winter.
This process is borrowed from the commercial "Rooted Cuttings Industry" where they root thousands of landscape plants in sand beds using intermittent mist and under shade cloth to protect from direct sunlight.
Rooting cuttings is really hard until it clicks, but once you find a process that works for you it becomes easy. And this is the one that clicked for me. And, because the cuttings are rooted in the same environment as your veg space, there is no hardening off required. They go directly into my organic soil SIP and don't miss a beat.
Good luck!
1. Take 4-5"/10-12cm long cuttings from your plant
2. Trim off all side branches, leaving just the top cluster of leaves
3. Stick them in a coarse medium like perlite or builder's sand
4. Mist the leaves twice a day, 12 hours apart (ish)
* The more detailed version can be found in the quoted post from the prior page.
Wuss. Back the original - explains more the whyThat was a lot of words to describe a process that's more like:
1. Take a 4-5"/10-12cm long cutting from your plant
2. Trim off all but the top cluster of leaves
3. Stick it in a coarse medium like perlite or builder's sand
4. Mist the leaves twice a day, 12 hours apart (ish)
But, you know, it's more interesting for me the original way.
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Yeah, but I don't want to scare anyone away. It really is a simple process but that many words makes it seem like it's more complicated.
Maybe I should have just put that summary at the bottom (or top) of the original post.
I do like the whys though which is why I went into the detail that I did. That and @Gee64 asked me for excruciating detail in my cloning thread. (Paraphrasing, he might not have said it exactly that way.
)Yeah I get ya. You ever seen me use less than 10,000 words and three segues into unrelated stuff to explain somethingYeah, but I don't want to scare anyone away. It really is a simple process but that many words makes it seem like it's more complicated.
Maybe I should have just put that summary at the bottom (or top) of the original post.
I do like the whys though which is why I went into the detail that I did. That and @Gee64 asked me for excruciating detail in my cloning thread. (Paraphrasing, he might not have said it exactly that way.
seaofgreen18
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Wow in all my years of growing even outdoors I've never seen that before looks like an insect nest of some sort something hiding in your soil somewhere??Tales of the Organic SIPs
The big one, meh wind say some, Fusarium Wilt say me and others. We go again. Moved the baby Sweet Seeds Red Mimosa XL Auto in the same medium out there. Dunno think she’s on about Day #60/80. Maybe I’ll get a couple of vape bowls off her
But yeah a bit of Cal-Mag deficiency (I always say that!) Or am I missing something else?
Gee64
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I did, and I thank you for the bookmarkYeah, but I don't want to scare anyone away. It really is a simple process but that many words makes it seem like it's more complicated.
Maybe I should have just put that summary at the bottom (or top) of the original post.
I do like the whys though which is why I went into the detail that I did. That and @Gee64 asked me for excruciating detail in my cloning thread. (Paraphrasing, he might not have said it exactly that way.
Gee64
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When you did your clones in flower, what light schedule did you use? Flower cycle or veg?I did, and I thank you for the bookmark
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They came from 12/12 flower and were rooted along with the other normal cuttings in the veg space at 18/6.
I want them rooting, not flowering so that's why they got moved. If you left them on a flower cycle I would think they'd be harder to root since root development is supposed to slow dramatically after stretch.
But, whatever. I moved them to a veg cycle and got roots in about 3 weeks which is approximately 1 week longer than it's been typically taking. But, temps are also falling and I haven't engaged the seedling heat mat yet.