TequilaSIPr
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Hey nick i definitely spend alot of time checking her everyday for nanners and rot or mold difficult to say the least the new dehumidifier seems to work but weve hit that rainny fall part of the yr in my locale
SIP Club - Getting Hydro/Coco Results In A Soil Based Medium
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BoohdahLovah
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Day 29 and I’ve given her a feed and a defol. I’ll probably flip her sometime over the next couple of weeks.
I’m loving the SIP. I’m going to build another one for my next grow.
I’m loving the SIP. I’m going to build another one for my next grow.
Happy Thanksgiving Azi and everyone!
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You too Stone!
TequilaSIPr
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Hope you all had a good thanksgiving! Day 120!
Chuckeye
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Six Shooter Auto, Day 125
Officially my longest running auto
Without a control it's hard to say what effect it really had but this is the SIP with added perlite.
Nutrient is Mega Crop one part....
Cheers
Officially my longest running auto
Without a control it's hard to say what effect it really had but this is the SIP with added perlite.
Nutrient is Mega Crop one part....
Cheers
ReservoirDog
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Yeoman's work, Azi. Thank you.** Cloning with Azi **
For anyone new at cloning or looking for a simple, effective, and SIP friendly approach I thought I'd detail my process.
I used to be horrible at rooting cuttings, and in fact successfully participated in the International Worst Cloner Of The Year competitions held each year around the world. I never did medal in them as I was always able to get a small percentage to root which kept the lights on, but man did I suck. And the few clones I did get to root took a long time and looked pretty sickly by the time they did.
I tried everything you could imagine including soil, coco, glasses of water, bubble mist cloner contraptions of three different types, DWC, domes, rooting hormones, you name it. Nothing worked very well for me which I attribute to my environment, but I kept at it. I even started a cloning thread recently (which you can read through here ) but for those of you that like to jump straight to the last chapter of the book I'll detail my process below.
My criteria was that I wanted something simple, highly successful, consistent and involved no judgement, no noise, no hardening off, no domes, no pumps, no rooting hormone, no complicated builds, etc and this approach checks all of those boxes.
The Build
Find a container that won't hold water. A regular small nursery pot would work fine but I use a Solo cup with a small hole made with a soldering iron or small drill bit. If you're using cups you can cut a slit with scissors on the side of the cup at the very bottom corner. I make a corresponding hole at the top of the cup so I can easily see where the bottom hole is. I use a clear Solo inside of an opaque one.
Congratulations, your build is finished.
The Medium
Fill the container with something coarse that breathes well; perlite, pumice, or coarse builder's sand.
The Process
I take cuttings from the ends of branches about 4-5"/10-12cm long, trimming away any branches below the top flush of leaves fairly close to the stem but leaving a little stub. The smaller the better as that's less wound for the plant to heal. If you do this step the day before you cut it while the cutting is still attached to the plant you'll get roots a day or two earlier. My theory on this is that the plant will send repair hormones to heal these cuts and these hormones are still present the next day when you actually cut the clone and that helps wth the rooting process. Plus, those wounds will have scabbed over and need less repair effort after the cutting is removed from the plant.
I place the clones in a cup of water immediately after cutting them from the plant and leave them there for 20-30 minutes to let them fully hydrate.
Then make a hole in the medium slightly larger than the stem width with a chopstick or other tool, stick your cutting and firm the medium around the cut by pressing down and around. I have small plants and therefore small cuttings but I can fit 5-10 in a standard Solo cup. Doesn't matter at all if the leaves touch or overlap. Mist the medium well until water drips out the drain hole.
Then mist the leaves twice a day, I do roughly 12 hours apart. When I spray, I place the cups in a large storage container stood on end which contains any overspray. After I'm done I tilt the container on one corner and drain the excess water into another cup for use on other plants. I use straight tap water, left in an open container for 24 hours to help off-gas any chlorine out of habit but really don't think that matters a bit.
I leave the cuttings off to the side, out of direct light and in fact I have a piece of cardboard on the side of the cuttings area to block any direct light. And I keep them in an environment with more than 12 hours of light since I don't want them trying to flower while they're rooting. I keep them in my veg room at 18/6.
I get roots in 7-10 days and usually let them stay in the cups for 3-4 weeks total before potting up but I have potted them at as little as 14 days. I just like a better developed rooting system before I do. I don't feed them or rewet the medium at all while still in the cups as drips from the twice daily misting of the leaves keeps the medium moist enough. Taking more cuttings than I plan to plant allows me to select the best of the best from the group and there are always one or two that are appreciably better than the others.
When my veg room top temps drop below mid-80*'sF/30*C I'll use a heat mat set to that range which helps rooting in winter.
This process is borrowed from the commercial "Rooted Cuttings Industry" where they root thousands of landscape plants in sand beds using intermittent mist and under shade cloth to protect from direct sunlight.
Rooting cuttings is really hard until it clicks, but once you find a process that works for you it becomes easy. And this is the one that clicked for me. And, because the cuttings are rooted in the same environment as your veg space, there is no hardening off required. They go directly into my organic soil SIP and don't miss a beat.
Good luck!
Loving the whole, "getting out of your own way" approach. Very SIP-sensitive, I commend you. The SIP is a wise teacher, and usually, the key moment is simply realizing it has something to say. After that the path ahead is obvious.
She's bizarrely well budded!Six Shooter Auto, Day 125
Officially my longest running auto
Without a control it's hard to say what effect it really had but this is the SIP with added perlite.
Nutrient is Mega Crop one part....
Cheers
smokesbetter
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You guys are killing it , and damn chuckeye what an auto ! Nice !
Chuckeye
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Certainly the most unique expression of bud back building I've seen since I started applying it
I blame it on Good Beans
Cheers
ReservoirDog
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Nice work @Chuckeye . I didn't realize you'd been trimming that one too. Interesting, it appears it works quite well on Sativas. Was there any hint of a 'denser' bud in the "Back-Build Trimmed" or, "back-built" buds, compared to similar sativa buds that were untouched?
The technique would have value even if all it did was make Sativa buds more dense, or so it seems to me.
I don't have extensive experience with it myself, but enough to confirm that it does work when done correctly (and it's pretty simple/straightforward technique-wise). I think it def. merits consideration for anyone with the time to commit which, as I recall, would need to be substantial.
Did you find it time-consuming, Chuck?
The technique would have value even if all it did was make Sativa buds more dense, or so it seems to me.
I don't have extensive experience with it myself, but enough to confirm that it does work when done correctly (and it's pretty simple/straightforward technique-wise). I think it def. merits consideration for anyone with the time to commit which, as I recall, would need to be substantial.
Did you find it time-consuming, Chuck?
Chuckeye
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Not sure what you mean by time consuming ?
I cut 1/4" off the top(s) Once, done
The usual expression from clipping is a Fatter bud but depending on the strain, it also stops the apical dominance and the lower buds grow up to form a (for lack of a better word), cluster of buds !
And the lower branches will take on dominance !
Cheers
ReservoirDog
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The last time I did this technique, with any commitment, was in the late 90's, and outdoors. The plants were huge, and I needed to use this big orchard ladder - always feeling exposed as hell, up in the air - so it took me ages, or what felt like ages, to finish off a plant.Not sure what you mean by time consuming ?
I cut 1/4" off the top(s) Once, done
The usual expression from clipping is a Fatter bud but depending on the strain, it also stops the apical dominance and the lower buds grow up to form a (for lack of a better word), cluster of buds !
And the lower branches will take on dominance !
Cheers
No doubt our indoor plants things are a lot more easygoing! I must have been traumatized by my experience! I'm laughing at myself, looking back. I did find out it works, but eventually I realized it wasn't where I wanted to put the work, back in those days, on those plants.
I'm still loving these 5x5 grow spaces I've got setup, and indoor growing at reasonable sizes is lovely stuff. I've got two of them and it gives all kinds of opportunity to start my veggies nice and early, grow some exotic succulents, whatever, I just love having a permanent indoor garden, love it.
Your setup is ideal Chuck. Quite inspirational. In fact, you inspired me early on... as after seeing your setup for the first time, I realized that I could use a large mylar-covered piece of foam insulation to reduce the actual grow space down to 4x5 from 5x5when I'm not in the tent, which gives me some space in there when I have to work (because three of the sides are inaccessible from outside on one of my tents), yet also reflects the light nice and strong when just sitting soaking up rays. Movable walls, sweet!
The light itself is a LED bar-light, measuring 1.2 meters, square. That's 1.2m long, and 1.2m wide. I bought two, one for each 5x5, and they're powerful enough for Co2 usage at 1100w of actual wall draw each.
Thanks for sharing, Chuck. Like I say, I was significantly inspired by your grow for it to physically impact my own. So, cheers mate, I appreciate you.
Chuckeye
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Thanks for the kind words @ReservoirDog !
It's Good to hear I was able to help in some small way !
Cheers
PS > I also do not do well on ladders
g-one-three
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I'm just starting out and have purchased the grobucket inserts after reading through a majority of this thread. I have an emergency 4 day work trip I just found out about and because my Grobucket inserts aren't here yet I have set up a wicking mat with my seedlings in a little larger pot to try and keep them bottom watered while out of town. Here's a pic of the seedlings as of today. My journal I started is in my signature, and I'm always looking for tips and tricks to learn with. Thanks and can't wait to get my SIP grow going.
Gee64
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Done Azi, lemme know when you are done please.
Gee64
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lol thats pretty funny hey?
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I am done.
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You should be more than fine. The seedlings will go many days before needing water as long as they got started out right with a good tap root following a narrow band of water down to the bottom.I'm just starting out and have purchased the grobucket inserts after reading through a majority of this thread. I have an emergency 4 day work trip I just found out about and because my Grobucket inserts aren't here yet I have set up a wicking mat with my seedlings in a little larger pot to try and keep them bottom watered while out of town. Here's a pic of the seedlings as of today. My journal I started is in my signature, and I'm always looking for tips and tricks to learn with. Thanks and can't wait to get my SIP grow going.
Safe travels!
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Inside joke.
