Hi everyone, so this is how I modified my SIP for Hulkberry. I think it will work fine now. I'm still thinking about what @ReservoirDog suggested to me, to split open the lid so that I could access the flower pot, but on the other hand, I was thinking of making hooks in the lid so that I would have a way to hold the branches.
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What do you guys think?
So I understand, in the middle pic, what is under the holes? (the horizontal/floor surface, holes) Another chamber, right? With the overflow pipe at its top (immed. under the floor with holes) and the vertical fill tube leading in to that chamber?

It's hard to see because the seam between your floor and sides are so nice and tight that I cant tell for sure exactly what I'm seeing. Just trying to help, everyone's first SIPs or two has challenges.

SO if things are as I described above, does that mean what I'm seeing is that your Airpot (nice choice, very swish) is sitting inside a hole in the false floor, but it's resting on the very bottom, aka real floor, of the SIP?

Good job on the holes.
 
Im pretty sure its air pressure from full reservoir pushing into the bell at the bottom increasing the air pressure that in turn stops the low pressure water from entering SIP via pipe and bell no water travels up pipe to trigger a ball float ,so it makes me think its working from the air pressure
@StoneOtter , what do you think ?
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Air pressure somehow Absorber is my opinion. Water rises and creates pressure in the bell and up the tube into the area where the water comes in and gets distributed at low pressure. It's pressure but how I don't know.
 
Air pressure somehow Absorber is my opinion. Water rises and creates pressure in the bell and up the tube into the area where the water comes in and gets distributed at low pressure. It's pressure but how I don't know.
I don't believe there is a diaphragm inside the top im thinking it's just the fill pipe .
What do you think ?
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PS, Yes, I agree fertigated SIPs can be just fine with lower nutes due to constant access and its constant (comparable) moisture gradient. Energetic/adaptive needs are substantively reduced in SIPs vs. traditional container gardening, and I think these contribute to reduced fert. requirements, while still sustaining an increased biomass production rate comparable to DWC, Flood/Drain (IMHO). This reduction in requirements is also useful to help prevent the potential for a mineral salts build-up that can cause a major toxicity in fertigated SIPs. It appears to be somewhat rare but I have some things designed in to my methods to help. Prevention methods I'm aware of, and use are 1), not overdoing nutes, as mentioned, 2), 'soil' conditioning. So, even though I'm often growing 'soilless' SIPs using peat/perlite or coco in my fertigated SIPs, I 'condition' my 'soil' with specific bacterial and fungi inoculants, kelp products, leonardite-based humates, amino acids, and some custom home-grown EWC. 3) Because the mineral salts build-up issue is more likely in the few inches above the planter 'floor', I can do a 'mini-flush' from below, via the reservoir, overfilling it, still from the bottom, so it rises up into the planter a couple inches and soaks out some of the buildup, but avoiding the damage that a traditional top-down flush causes. I also figured out a way to take samples for slurry tests from this region so as to test for excessive buildups. It's just something important to be aware of for fertigated SIPs, so I thought I'd briefly (?) share what I've figured out so far. Been SIPping most of my veg and weed for 3 years now, I have two 5x5's with 1kw led fixtures in each, and grow lots of outdoors stuff in-season, so I'm no professional or guru-type, just a tinkerer with limited resources and time to blah blabbety blah online.
hmm, see yeah I'm worrying about that with the switch to synth nutes, I did pick the Hard Water version for hoping it would play nice with my tap, even the watering schedule tells you to flush after each period.
I don't see the option of mini flushes if you scrog the plant in the tent there's no way of tipping the water out.
Maybe just feed a small amount of plain water after each period.
 
The water fills and drains on it's own through hydrodynamics and air pressure using floating ball valve correct?
Who are you talking too there is two different watering conversations happening in this thread one using a ball float and mine trying to replicate how SIP auto feeders you buy work.
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I see there is only a siphon and gravel no float valve.
This is the other conversation happening
 
Thanks @ReservoirDog, @Fenderbender maybe a ping pong ball will fit in there but I don't have one at home to try but it's a good idea for a level indicator 👍 this part is a water reservoir with supports and an overflow pipe...
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The same box fits with the holes and an airpot that works as a wick and a tube leads through the box to the tank...
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And the third part is just a cover to cover the clay and keep the humidity so that the water doesn't evaporate so much, and I'm still thinking of adding some hooks for training...
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I don't see the option of mini flushes if you scrog the plant in the tent there's no way of tipping the water out.
Put a valve in it. Figure its also useful to Ph your res as well as flushing. Ping pong ball confirmed fitting 😂

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Put a valve in it. Figure its also useful to Ph your res as well as flushing. Ping pong ball confirmed fitting 😂

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Oh an Oscar SIP, nice, hmm yeah valve at the bottom, but then I'd still need to elevate all or have like a tray I can water into. I still have some circulation pumps I could stick one in the res, and if I add an airstone I could bubble up the water into the hydroton layer to flush it out. But I've just checked the res, It could fit just fit on one side but there's not much room in the res with the smaller SIP.
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I need to fill mine with water and leave it for 4-5 days (the plant won't be ready for 10 days or so. I'm worried about the water temp the res will get to, so will test first. Its in direct sun for 3-4 hours a day and its hot AF here every day 24 hours. A skirt is going on for sure maybe a water chiller hopefully made from an old ice machine, if I do that was thinking why not add a bubbler as well keep that res fresh, I have a spare.
 
Yeah black plastic might not be a great choice in the Sun unless it's very thick, just putting something round it to block the rays hitting it and there's no problem, then it will probably keep quite cool as it's already a bit thicker plastic seems.

And well I'm not going to modify my new stuff for some nutes, sigh I should have gotten the stuff we used outside, bionova time released pellets mixed in the soil and just water, can't go much simpler as that, and it grew and flowered quite nicely in the SIP so why not try it in the tent.
Hmm, I might just do that, as I am looking for the easy peasiest way and If I can skip mixing bottles and flushing.
The synth nutes are unopened so I'm sure they'll keep for a while.
 
I need to fill mine with water and leave it for 4-5 days (the plant won't be ready for 10 days or so. I'm worried about the water temp the res will get to, so will test first. Its in direct sun for 3-4 hours a day and its hot AF here every day 24 hours. A skirt is going on for sure maybe a water chiller hopefully made from an old ice machine, if I do that was thinking why not add a bubbler as well keep that res fresh, I have a spare.
My experiences so far that relate to Nick's concerns and comments are below. Although I hunt all the other forums for SIP journals and everywhere else online, I'm really doing a lot of this 'by feel' and hope you will too. On this thread I'm just sharing my experiences thus far. Sometimes curt wording can make these things sound like do and don'ts, or make someone sound like more of an authority than they mean to. I just don't have enough years of SIPPing yet to be that guy. I've got a few years in, but it'll take a few more just to satisfy my main curiosities.

So, in my tinkerings, I found that a loosely draped, light-coloured fabric, even as simple as an old bedsheet, with a significant airspace maintained between SIP and fabric, works better to reduce temps than does reflective mylar-type plastic when physically attached with an adhesive (I had some left-over from my tree-planting days - many moons ago).

I've done comparison tests indoors and out and the difference is quite clear, usually a matter of 8-10 degrees C soil temp measured 6 inches down and close to the pot inner surface. That's draped fabric vs. no protection. The difference between mylar and fabric was 6-7 deg C. Results surprised me initially but were quite understandable, insulative values are about trapped airspace.

For outdoors, concerns about the reverse - that is, preventing temperatures from dropping below desired levels during cool nights, which is essentially the task of maintaining as steady a temp as possible day/night, I found that a thicker fabric with tight weave worked best.

It's not as cool looking as dressing your SIP like a space satellite covered in mylar, but that airspace between fabric and pot is the real insulator. Actually, cardboard, I actually really like using it - you can drop a larger box over the SIP, cutting it so it can hinge open to access. Cardboard-only dumpsters are everywhere in the city. Pro-tip: Your local multi-plex (movie theatre) will have some sweet-sweet cardboard products in theirs. This can be a very good resource for sooo many things.

Also super important is to use a light-coloured mulching or covering material spread thick. It keeps the soil from overheating but also traps warmth within overnight, levelling out temps. I happened to find some old furniture that had rough cotton as stuffing and it has been ideal. But a couple inches of lightly coloured leaves or even synthetic materials will do the job.

You won't have water temp/dissolved O2 problems in the rez provided your SIP is functioning, ie wicking. I run some pretty big integral reservoirs, 10 gallons, but the SIPs use it fast, such that it doesn't sit long enough to get anaerobic, but if you use any animal manures beside frass or EWC, well, just don't, nitrogen soup easily results if it leaches.

Not to say I don't tinker, I have two 27-gal tote SIPs running in my 5x5 right now with small aquarium air pumps bubbling away in the reservoirs (6gal) on burst timers 5min on, 15min off. These reservoirs are fertigated with M3gaCr0p and Sweet Candy, in 0-10ppm tap water (chemically dechlored). I check the PPMs and pH less frequently than I used to but still enough to keep an eye on and hopefully, keep learning. I don't see significant pH change with these small pumps and air stones on timer settings like these when using these ferts, or with plain water when doing organic EWC-fert'd SIPs.

With other ferts (GH Flora and Maxi) and using much bigger pumps (30w) I did get pH swings. Ultimately the pH change impact on the crop was still negligible to nil in my estimation, but only because the peat/perlite-based Promix and SSM#4 I use for fertigated SIPs are very well buffered, as is my custom 'organic soil', so your mileage may vary on pH.

Remember, ultimately, the matrix sets pH, and the reason hydro-growers must monitor so closely is that they have no matrix. Nonetheless, I feel that extremes and big swings should be avoided, so I do.

Briefly, I'm reminded that there's an awesome mixed calcium source (OMRI cert) product made in Pac NW USA called Dolopril that I recommend, highly - it is so cheap and so good! It's just a few different organic calcium sources, pelletized, that dissolve on contact with moisture. It just seems to work quickly, provides lots of calc and buffers really well, and I like a convenient multi-source that's so easy to work with and flexible. It's a brix machine, grapes look awesome this year!

BTW, I'm starting to see inexpensive DO meters pop up on AliBabba.... these have been extremely expensive up to now.

Live long and prosper!
 
BTW, I'm starting to see inexpensive DO meters pop up on AliBabba.... these have been extremely expensive up to now.
What sort of prices are you seeing? I just looked and first one was $60USD In the same plastic body as a million 5-1 pen testers are in but an extension probe included as well. Like you I like the touchy feely but its nice to have a point of reference while you learn how to read.

(And I think anyone who read RD’s post above realises I got some excellent advice last week from him already so thanks Res!)

Nick
 
hmm, see yeah I'm worrying about that with the switch to synth nutes, I did pick the Hard Water version for hoping it would play nice with my tap, even the watering schedule tells you to flush after each period.
I don't see the option of mini flushes if you scrog the plant in the tent there's no way of tipping the water out.
Maybe just feed a small amount of plain water after each period.
+1 yes airgap between the material, that way no heat reaches the can at all.
With respect to the synth nute issue and potential buildup, Ganeesh says that conditioning your 'soil' with Kelp and Humic acid goes a long way towards warding off the bad synth nute Ju-Ju. And as a great bonus: Chelation ability of the humic acids means you can cut your fert PPMs down even more.

I use leonardite-sourced powdered Humates and Kelp extract. Quite a good study discovered that the ratio of 2 parts kelp to 5 parts Humates was hugely better than any other ratio, for some reason. It's working nicely for me. As to prophylactic flushing (as opposed to flushing prophylactics, har-har!) You could always drill a wee overflow hole for something small, like the tubing used for airstones, to slip in and just siphon. If it were me I wouldn't let this concern stop me from going ahead with fertigation here, I'd just take my normal precautions, ie: Condition-up that soil as above, resist the urge to overfeed, don't let the rez stand empty for more than, say, 48 hrs (drying can encourage a layer to crystalize) and you'll be golden. Fertigated SIPs can be pretty impressive.

On another topic, briefly (:rofl:), I wanted to tell you about this fertilizer product I discovered because it's made and sold primarily in Europe (NL), and it's interesting. It's a mineral salts / organic sources hybrid, which is a claim I would usually scoff at and then ignore, but this company is pretty serious. They've got a lot of top EU/NL horti-talent on the roster. The company's called Mills Nutrients, and I'm hoping a Euro-buddy on here will test it out for all of us one day!

Anyway, no doubt you've seen how well @Carcass does with his time-release synth ferts... So, whether you mix ferts into the reservoir or plant with time-release synth ferts, I would really encourage you to give it a shot, the results can be quite nice.
 
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