Sauga's First WW Indoor Grow, LED Style

That's looking spot on mr. Smeegol. See how keeping the 4 nodes even and flat has let the new center growth come up

Thank you kindly mr.Derby...

GOod morning mr.S don't ya worry I got your back on WEED.....haha the girls are smashing it my friend, I look at my quad and yours then I realise its phat indicas you running and not sativa girls...haha

Looking grand mr.S sorry I can't help out with the fan story I got Mother Nature on my side but can't control her gusty advances....haha.

top o the morning to ya mr.S
 
I'm still a little concerned, especially since I have no clue anymore if it's genetic, sick, or thirsty, but I don't want to try and find a problem when none exists...so have a look and see what you think. I mention thirsty only because the pot is dry on top to the point where the soil breaks apart when moved. It still feels somewhat heavy and it had 3 liters on Saturday. Is it possible I have to start increasing the irrigation now?






 
Looks like calcium deficiency, most common culprit is ph


I muddled about that initially, but my pH is between 7-8, so I don't think it would be from the pH. I will do a proper soil check tonite to verify my meter is working correct. Is Calcium def only caused by pH issues? I read I can add dolomite lime, but that would just increase the pH, would it not?
 
I'm still a little concerned, especially since I have no clue anymore if it's genetic, sick, or thirsty, but I don't want to try and find a problem when none exists...so have a look and see what you think. I mention thirsty only because the pot is dry on top to the point where the soil breaks apart when moved. It still feels somewhat heavy and it had 3 liters on Saturday. Is it possible I have to start increasing the irrigation now?
Color of leaf has nothing to do with thirsty or not...the leaf will wilt when thirsty, and that usually takes days to see...
 
You want to get your ph closer to 6.5
7-8 ph is way too high.

Agreed. I like to let mine float a little bit. If I am going for 5.8 then I will let it go as low as 5.5 and as high as 6.1 If I went 6.1 last time I try to go low the next time. It lets the plants get a full swing of all the nutrient absorption ranges.
 
You want to get your ph closer to 6.5
7-8 ph is way too high.
I've been adding lemon juice the last few waterings. It has come down but I'll increase the amount of LJ for the next time. Is it possible that my K is too high and locking out the Calcium? I'm just reading things around here and trying to cover all the bases. I guess the first thing before going any further is to continue lowering the pH and see what happens. All four palnts have that same level, and I'm working all four to get it down, but this is the only one who has shown any issues.
Thanks all.
 
Potassium can look like that but I'm still thinking calcium. Most likely ph
OK so I have two soil testers, one of them is the muti type prong, checks moisture, lumens, and ph. The reading on that is a scale and sits between 7-8. The other tester I have is a soil test kit which requires mixing distilled water and a chemical with the soil sample. It comes back as Neutral, so 7. I just gave her a good dosing of LJ and rain water, 1L and about 10 drops of LJ. I'll check them again tomorrow.
Thanks Penny.
 
Potassium can look like that but I'm still thinking calcium. Most likely ph

This is where I get confused. Calcium gets locked out of soil growing at pH levels of 2.0- 6.4. It's best absorbed at 6.5 - 9.1. If both my tests show close to the same results of 7-8 why would Calcium be deficient from high pH? I'm not trying to second guess anyone, I'm just trying to wrap my head around diagnosing plant problems.
If I have a high K, apparently Calcium is locked out that way, which would show the signs of Calcium deficiency, which is what we are seeing in the plant. I dunno man, too freaky for me. Let me go burn a spliff and I'll be back.
 
OK I think I understand why you keep leaning to pH. If it was high K there would be other signs not showing on this girl, such as "the fan leaves will show like a light to a dark yellow to whitish colour in between the veins." I'm learning, slowly but surely.
 
This post is information for my Journal regarding pH. Easy place for me to find it.

ph Basics
pH lower than 7 is an acidic soil.
pH higher than 7 is an alkaline soil.

Nutrients available based on soil pH levels
Alkaline soil: limited availability of iron, zinc, and phosphorous.
Acidic Soil: limited availability of magnesium and calcium

Organic matter will also alter the pH level, such as compost. The higher the organic matter the more lime or suplhur is required to adjust pH by one point.
What I learned today is when I increase organic matter I'm actually increasing my plant's tolerance for acidic or alkaline conditions and not really changing the soil pH. Fascinating. :hmmmm:

Lowering pH
Adding nitrogen into the soil can lower pH a half point from 7 to 6.5. Compost, alfalfa meal and manure are higher in nitrogen and can also help drop pH by increasing bacteria over time.

As some of you know I have been using coffee grounds mixed in with my water, but apparently most of the organic acids in coffee flush out in the brew. Coffee grounds are close to neutral, about 6.8, therefore will not do much to lower pH. However, they do contain small amounts of nitrogen so it can help reduce pH over time.
Still in the coffee mode, to drop the soil pH quickly, leftover coffee diluted 50/50 with water works well as I have learned.

Raising pH
A common soil amendment for raising soil pH is dolomite lime, except it should not be used in soils with adequate or excess magnesium. If your magnesium is high then alternatives such as ground oyster shells, crushed eggshells, both applied at 1 to 2 lbs per 100 sq ft. will work.


Balanced Organic NPK Fertilizers
Worm Castings:
Quick-release nutrients for early growth; slowly releases nutrients to maintain growth through the season. Provide beneficial bacteria to help your plants absorb these nutrients.

Alfalfa Meal:
Provides a steady release of NPK, and some sulfur during growth, with most of it available during peak growth. Another benefit is that it doesn’t attract animals.

Summary
So, for me I learned alot about pH. My plants are very healthy but my readings show over 7 which is high. I'm thinking at one point the girls may not like it, so I'm gonna try the slow route and pick up some alfalfa meal and will report the results later. I think most of my pH problems I will ever encounter are easily adjusted, since I use soil in my grow. I was looking at purchasing the standard pH Up/Down but think I can get back to good readings organically.

top o the morning mr.Sauga so I've been puzzling over your leaves when I saw them but by no means do I understand all the deficiencies that our plants exhibit from time to time...

I went scrolling back to pg4-6 and I found this which you made yourself a reminder on the basics of soil ph....

If you are in soil your ph is supposed to be ideally 6.5 on the dot..

In your last post you say ph 7-8 which if I remember correctly you also posted awhile back ( apologies if I'm wrong ) bout your concerns of " leaf septoria " which I also had on a plant and my ph was 7.9 for a cpl months.....

That played havoc till I got a ph pen that has the solution and distilled water mix, that is your best ally in getting your ph under control as you want 6.2-6.8 anywhere there and it will stay happy.
I don't know enough about letting ph swing to make certain elements more available to the plants but 6.5 is what you want...

Also 10 drops of lemon juice per lt of water is throwing caution to the wind cause you are dropping your ph way to low with your other additives if that makes sense...

So if you make 1lt feed mix add the lemon juice lastly drop at a time until you have your ph where you want it.....

My apologies for the long story but everything above I learnt from all the same folk you follow very similiar I reckon but id rather defer to our friends who are more informed than I..

I hope you have a cracking day, it's 7am here and the sun has just poked her head up, top of the morning mr.S....
 
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