Random Thoughts: Plants & Genetics

My first impression would be yes. If I didn't know it was in there I would probably not say that. It is a bit easier to spot the growth pattern before the buds start getting big. Branching from the plant has them looking more like a vine than a bush or Christmas tree.

Your plant looks like it has strong enough branches to hold everything up. Once the branches of GTH start filling up with bud I am going to have troubles keeping everything standing. In ways that ugly crab clawed GTH is one of my favorites from this grow. Probably going to be one of the 80 day pheno's with my luck LMAO.
 
This picture might explain that knock out power. Looks like I spilled sugar on this plant. They are only in week 6 of flower.
GTH #1 Sugar.jpg

GTH #1 Sugar.jpg

That picture came from the following plant. It is Ghost Train Haze #1 #1 LMAO. This plant smells like all the GTH I have ever bought. It has had troubles and is still packing on buds. I will be trying it early to check the high. If all goes well than I will be regenerating it. I can only regenerate 3 plants. Maybe 4 if I change things up some. I hope this plant is one of them. Trichome production is through the roof and I am only on week 6 of flower. This plant will probably go close to 80 days so that is tons of time to pump out even more trichomes.
GTH #1.jpg

GTH #1.jpg


GTH #1 Bud.jpg

GTH #1 Bud.jpg


GTH #1 Trichomes.jpg

GTH #1 Trichomes.jpg


Ghost Train Haze #2 is a different plant all together. it didn't get over fed which is why it doesn't have crab claws like the other. It also smells different and has a different bud formation. Because if this I would say it is Ghost Og leaning. Which should be a good thing. It doesn't seem to have the trichome coverage that plant #1 does. In the end it all matters what is in side. So how many there are doesn't always tell the tale.
GTH #2.jpg

GTH #2.jpg


GTH #2 Bud.jpg

GTH #2 Bud.jpg


GTH #2 Clarity.jpg

GTH #2 Clarity.jpg


GTH #2 trichome 2.jpg

GTH #2 trichome 2.jpg

 
I have noticed one thing nice about all the extra room in the flower tent. By this time in the run. Most outside row plants have a certain place they need to be. It is hard to rotate them much with out rotating everything. With the extra room I can rotate them easily. Wall plants and corner plants usually have a flat side or other growth patterned for where they sit. So far I have been able to rotate most plants 360 degrees. There are a couple I can't turn a whole 360 because of colas getting into the lights. Still a 3/4 turn can still give the buds more light. Not sure how much this will help but it can't hurt. From the looks of things everything is getting plenty of light.

I have not mentioned much about the 2 LED plants. They are doing OK and have the same growth rates as before. The LED lights I am running just doesn't cause stretch. Tent temperatures are the same. They say temperature effects stretch. This comes from the fact they grow towards heat. Since the tents are the same temp. I can only see it as a heat source. With the HID light the heat source is the bulb. With the LED the heat comes from above the light but it is spread out by the fans. There is not one spot the heat comes from for the plants to grow towards. Still impressed with the lights. I do need to change how I grow if I plan to use these full time. Next up will be a LED run in a 48" x 48" tent.
 
I figured I would take a couple pictures last night. Not sure if I have posted any of the Banana Sorbet yet or not. I know there have not been any in flower. I am really happy with how they are turning out.
Banana Sorbet.jpg

Banana Sorbet.jpg


sorbet bud.jpg

sorbet bud.jpg

These plants are just now starting to smell. I am not sure if I would call it Banana but there is a sweetness to it. 2 are carbon copies of each other. The 3rd has a little less frost at this time. Growth pattern is slightly different also. I have to wait and see what happens to it.

Next up will be the best BOO plant. I am not getting the orange smells from this one. Not even any citrus to it really. I will have to see what it finishes at. I know I like this smell better than the fake orange smell of Tangie. I have my orange pheno so that is all that matters. This is a really nice plant. Hard to see just how much bud is on all those branches.
BOO.jpg

BOO.jpg


BOO bud.jpg

BOO bud.jpg

 
Even after growing all this time. It is nice to talk things out with my mentor. Whats really funny is I am not really getting advice anymore. I pretty much get my answers from myself. Among all the things we talked about was Super Silver Haze. My mentor has grown and bred it before. While I didn't decide shit about the male plant I was asking about. I did get to mention that I now see the SSH in Trailer Trash Betty one of his older original strains. I can see the short SSH pheno in it. After seeing this plant I knew right away what pheno he used. That also told me what pheno I need to use. Even using the short pheno I may get a few tall plants. If I use the Hazy leaning pheno's I can am sure I will.

Because of this conversation. I am pretty sure I will be regenerating the short pheno to reverse. I still need to double check the quality of the high to be sure. Everything about this plant screams indoor. I am not a huge fan of tall or long flowering plants. Why breed it in. What I want to transfer from the SSH is still going to be in there. Mostly this run I want a regular female to reverse for pollen. Once I accomplish that I will move back to reversing feminized strains.

Leaves on the short SSH are narrowing out a lot. I am hoping this is a good sign I am going to like the high. I want to go through all the paces with these plants as I would breeding a great strain. Right now I just need to make sure the process works. I am still going to be real choosy with what else gets regenerated for hybrids. The Banana Sorbet I keep might change. Pretty sure I only want to regenerate the orange pheno of BOO. That may change. If it does it will be because of effects. I will be checking the highs of all the BOO before I choose.

So that means. This plant.
SSH short.jpg

SSH short.jpg

Is going to have a sex change. From it we are going to get Banana Haze. By breeding it to this plant.
Banana Sorbet.jpg

Banana Sorbet.jpg

It is the biggest and frostiest Banana Sorbet.

Then I am hoping for Orange Haze. By crossing with this orange smelling pheno of Bag Of Oranges.
BOO 3.jpg

BOO 3.jpg

I am not sure if I can get a sweet orange flavor from a hybrid. That is the goal of Orange Haze. So stay tuned in late summer for some girl on girl action LOL.
 
Thanks Dankman. I mentioned most of this next stuff on Dankman_420 thread so most may have seen it lol.

I found a couple seeds on one of the Cataract Kush plants yesterday. I must have been a bit careless with pollen. I am not surprised that there was pollen. In fact I had just pollinated 2 plants with the SSH male pollen just before I found the seeds. I pollinated the best Ghost Train Haze and BOO plants. The GTH has tons of the smell I want already. I just need this plant to finish seeds in time. Pretty sure it is going to flower the whole 80 days so there is a good chance I won't have to grow that branch much longer than the rest of the plant. I have lots of Haze going so that doesn't look like it is going to be a problem. The best BOO is the biggest not the best smell right now. I will be regenerating the best smelling one.

Now back to Cataract Haze.
Cataract Haze.jpg

Cataract Haze.jpg

I have only identified 5 seeds so far. I sacrificed one the first day to be sure of what they were. I had not seen the split pod on the one yet lol. As the picture shows it is a seed for sure. What is really funny. I checked all the other plants in the tent for hermies before I remembered I had a male plant going LOL. No hermies LMAO.

I looked the whole plant over yesterday. Kind of wish I had not killed that one seed. I want to keep everyone I found. This is the best smelling pheno of Cataract. All the seeds seem to be on the very top of the buds. Pretty sure there are not that many now. Which means I want to save everyone I can find. I am hoping to find 10 to 15 at least.

Even though this was my fault. I killed the male the same day I pollinated the 2 plants. Pollen can be a problem. Pollen you can't see is a real bad problem. I am pretty sure the only tent that had any cross pollination is the tent that the Cataract was in. They were on the same light schedule. The clothing I was wearing when I watered the male were the same I was wearing when I watered the tent. In the end I knew there may be some volunteers. That is why I only wanted to have only one male by the time that may happen. I know that the pollen is from this one male I like. Not sure when I will get to look at the seeds. If my feminized seed projects work I will be looking at most of them first.
 
I know I said I checked all plants for hermies when the seed showed up. I was wrong. I did look I looked hard I thought. Yesterday I found 3 male flowers on one of the Cataract Kush plants. Only 3 on the whole plant. They were only on the lower branches which is a good thing. I found them hidden under the leaves of the small buds. I didn't see them because they were covered up from the angle I was looking. The buds all look fine. I just clipped them off and we will see if any more show up.

Thing is. The plant with the pods was short and not in a place it could have caused those seeds. It is sitting in the middle of the tent so it could have pollinated the plants around it. Not much pollen from 3 pods though. I am not worried a bit about it yet. I will have to watch any seeds from this tent for hermies but I always do that anyway. There are also a few banana's on the Clown Royal plant. I don't think these are doing anything. Either way the seeds will be from SSH or Cataract.
 
I have a few updates today and pictures. The biggest thing is funny more than worrisome. I found 1 lone dried flower on the BOO plant in the tent where I found a seeds. This plant is another that is not a hermie. It is really amazing how many of these you can find on plants when you trim. Every year I find 1 or 2 that I never noticed. The funny part is after a complete check I didn't notice it till I looked up her skirt LMAO.

That same BOO plant is now going to be the one regenerated if any of the BOO are. The biggest one has way to much leaf matter. Nothing really wrong with the plant other than that. It is just not something I would want to breed in. I like everything about the orange smelling BOO plant. While it is not the biggest it has great smell and lots of frost. Bud formations are much better on it also.

I really like all the SSH females. As I mentioned before the short pheno is the best plant for indoor growing. While I may not have the exact high I want the genetics will still be passed on. Hell it may end up being the best high too. I took a little time to get a few pictures of her last night.
SSH short.jpg

SSH short.jpg

As you can tell. When I say short I mean short LOL. This plant didn't stretch much more than all the other strains. It is the only SSH that is on a booster seat. The other 2 SSH are the only plants on the ground.

The bud formations and denseness have a lot to do with the reason why. It has the best looking buds as of now. Here is the main cola. It is a bit bigger than the others but there are 4 of them. All side branching has good solid buds also.
SSH cola.jpg

SSH cola.jpg


As you can tell by the next picture. Hairs are starting to turn red and frost is forming. This is not going to be a long flowering pheno.
SSH bud 1.jpg

SSH bud 1.jpg


SSH close up.jpg

SSH close up.jpg


All in all. I am happy I found a SSH plant I can regenerate and self. Right now I am not trying to breed the strongest strain on earth. I just need to see my project work as planned. I still want the seeds to still be worth growing. I really think this short pheno is going to make the best hybrid with the best Banana Sorbet and BOO.
 
Wow tough crowd LMAO. I thought that SSH was a nice looking plant.

Last night I got a few pictures of Strawberry Lemonade. This is the same plant that gave me so much hell a month or so back. It has been a hard road getting it healthy again. Healthy it is. That is a very good thing as this pheno is the frostiest of all of the Strawberry Lemonade. All the problems I had killed most the fan leaves. I thought that might really effect production. This plant seems to be bouncing back and will produce close to a ounce if not more. Pretty good because at one time I thought of pulling her up. Like I said she was sick so the whole plant pic is not the best.
Strawberry Lemonade.jpg

Strawberry Lemonade.jpg


The buds and the frost tell the whole story here. I can't wait to see what the finished smell will be like. Not much smell to it yet.
Strawberry Lem bud2.jpg

Strawberry Lem bud2.jpg


Strawberry lem.close up.jpg

Strawberry lem.close up.jpg


strawberry lem closeup2.jpg

strawberry lem closeup2.jpg

I must have been stoned when I cropped the last picture. My first thought was it looked like a bunch of snail eyes LMAO.
 
That short pheno of SSH looks absolutely stunning, great bud structure and trich coverage! You sure do know how to pick them my friend!!! I cant wait to see what you think of the BananaSorbet, i grew a SourBananaSherb by Crockett and i swear my couple of buddies were fighting over who was going to buy it all lol.
 
So far all the Banana Sorbet are doing great. Growth pattern, bud structure, and trichome coverage are all above average. 1 of the 3 is slightly different. Even it is doing pretty good. I just don't see the trichome coverage on it that I do the others.

As of now the plant pictured earlier is the one I will be saving. I was only going to regenerate 3 plants. Now I may do 4 just so I can keep the frosty Strawberry Lemonade. There is a chance 1 or more won't regenerate. That would still give me plants to work with. I may want to keep a second SSH. Smell of one plant is so much better than the others. As of now effects are the biggest deciding factors. I have enough great plants to choose from. Choosing right is the key now.

After getting a good look at Banana Sorbet. I am really glad I got the Sorbet #4. Every GG #4 hybrid I have grown has had the same growth pattern. I am real curious how it will come out in the growth structure of The Sorbet plants.
 
I am going to have to re-plan my regeneration project. Now that I am thinking doing 3 or 4 plants I need to make sure I can still do what I need to. I still need to keep them hid. One or 2 would be no problem.

I really want to do the BOO and the Sorbet. I thought I wanted the Strawberry Lemonade. The more I think about it. I better regenerate 2 SSH females. I don't know that either will regenerate. With 2 I have better chances of one making it. If both do well I can get selfed and feminized seeds of SSH. If only one works then I still have my regular strain to reverse for pollen. The second SSH plant would not be quite as good for a hybrid because of the stretch. Still everything else about it is exceptional. All other plants to be saved have a short bushy structure. Breeding into them should help keep the offspring reasonably short.
 
Cataract Kush does not have the best plants I have ever seen. Its not the frostiest either. Its a Kush and grows like one lol. Still the out come should do everything they say it does. They are DNA genetics so I am not really worried how they will come out. The fact that these have smelled to high heaven from the beginning so I know terpene levels will be high.
Here is a look at one of them.
cat 2.jpg

cat 2.jpg


Cataract cola.jpg

Cataract cola.jpg

There is nothing wrong with the plant. It just isn't one of those plants that just jump out at you. As you can see in the second bud picture. This plant has a seed or two in it. Not the same Cataract that I found the seeds on so I now know for sure I am going to have a few seeds coming from this tent.
Cat bud 2.jpg

Cat bud 2.jpg


Cataract bud.jpg

Cataract bud.jpg


We all know it is what is in the trichomes that matters. Plenty of them showing as you can tell. They are not packed together quite like some of the new strains but that means nothing.
 
She looks gorgeous from where I'm sitting. Did you pollinate it or was it rouge pollen. I had a little unintentional pollen in my tent from single branch pollination.

I'm a huge fan of DNA as you know. I truly believe they are one of the few modern breeders that try to stabilize there gear before releasing them
 
That or they work with stronger more solid genetics. Everything of theirs I have grown has been top quality. Even the lesser plants are really good. You just don't see that in other peoples genetics. Grimm is another but that has a lot to do with Cinderella 99.

It was rogue pollen. I don't see the few male flowers I found making them where they are. It seems most the seeds are 6 inches or higher on the plants. My fans would have blown everything down if anything. I am sure they are probably there but I have not found one seed on any of the other plants. The 2 that have visible seeds are on opposite corners of the tent. The Ghost Train Haze I hit with pollen seems to have taken. There looks to be more red hairs on that branch. I will have to make sure it gets time to finish them. Haze x Haze they will be tall but you got wonder what it will be like lol. I am thinking of calling it Haazzee if the seeds take LMAO.
 
Speaking of DNA. This is the keeper Banana Sorbet.
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thumbnail_0313201805c.jpg

I will get better ones of it tonight. I was going to yesterday but it was watering time and it was a bit wilty. It will look better tonight. Everything about this plant is wonderful. Pretty sure this plant will be with me for a while. At least to start next year with. I even may try and self it along the lines. There are a few seed packs I have that something is going to need to be done with or it is almost a waste of time. No female seed grown out is ever a waste. Great plants like this is why I have the few old school regular strains I have. They hybrids I will be making may not have the chance of greatness like crossing 2 incredible feminized plants. They are going to have a bit more consistency. That is the hope anyway. I got one of the 101 packs of D.J. Shorts, Temple Flo. Not sure which regular I will grow to cross with Banana Sorbet yet. Either Cinderella 99 of Flo.
 

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