Devils Orange sounds interesting, I need a good orange strain.
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Dankman_420
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I hope you went with holy Grail. I've always been interested in that one. Never sampled or seen it grown out. Looks like a good one and I'm a big DNA fan. I'm considering trying to make some reg seeds this winter. I've got a few girls I'd like to knock up 
Got to decide what male to go with. I've got a Chernobyl in bloom that is looking great so far and I've got another one of those seeds. Maybe a back cross if I can get a male. Here it is halfway through bloom
Got to decide what male to go with. I've got a Chernobyl in bloom that is looking great so far and I've got another one of those seeds. Maybe a back cross if I can get a male. Here it is halfway through bloom- Thread starter
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Jackalope
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She is frosty looking Dankman. No word back on which replacement they are sending. I won't know till Tuesday probably. JBC sure was on the ball. Their order showed up already. That was around a week from order to delivery. I got some real interesting Freebies too. One by Nor Star that is a cross of Stardawg x Jesus Og. The others were from JBC. I need to do some checking about who makes them. 1 is Blueberry Headband x Gogi Og the other is Agent Orange x Gogi Og.
There is a problem with freebies. I used to live by them and was excited to see them in orders. Now I don't know. I do like the Nor Star stuff. Testing for know breeders is fine. Growing seed bank freebies has not turned out well for me. They are usually ok but never great. Plus it is hard to grow something you are not passionate about. I have so many great strains in the waiting room. I am not ever going to get to the well known freebies let alone seed bank ones. The JBC freebies seem a bit different. Hope they are.
There is a problem with freebies. I used to live by them and was excited to see them in orders. Now I don't know. I do like the Nor Star stuff. Testing for know breeders is fine. Growing seed bank freebies has not turned out well for me. They are usually ok but never great. Plus it is hard to grow something you are not passionate about. I have so many great strains in the waiting room. I am not ever going to get to the well known freebies let alone seed bank ones. The JBC freebies seem a bit different. Hope they are.
Freebies can be hidden gems.
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Jackalope
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I need to spend some time and talk about the Timber lights. It still does not look very bright. It does seem to be working good so far.
My biggest surprise was the lack of stretch I am seeing in this tent. Different pheno's so I can't base this on others plants by the same name. I know Bubblisious has a tall and a short pheno. I am pretty sure I have one of each. Still the internode spacing in the Timber tent is Tight. Real tight! buds are forming even thought the branches didn't stretch out to make room for it.
All this is a great thing considering that height could have been a issue. What is getting me is the why. Plants in the big tent seem normal, stretch wise. Plus it is a 1000 watt HPS I know its enough light. It is a brand new bulb so I am sure the lumens are good. If the COB led light was not strong enough the plants would stretch more not less. Bright or not the light seems to be doing a good job.
My biggest surprise was the lack of stretch I am seeing in this tent. Different pheno's so I can't base this on others plants by the same name. I know Bubblisious has a tall and a short pheno. I am pretty sure I have one of each. Still the internode spacing in the Timber tent is Tight. Real tight! buds are forming even thought the branches didn't stretch out to make room for it.
All this is a great thing considering that height could have been a issue. What is getting me is the why. Plants in the big tent seem normal, stretch wise. Plus it is a 1000 watt HPS I know its enough light. It is a brand new bulb so I am sure the lumens are good. If the COB led light was not strong enough the plants would stretch more not less. Bright or not the light seems to be doing a good job.
Dankman_420
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I don't know shit about cobs but I'm using QB boards and they work good. But I still don't think they are nearly as good as my 1k hps with a new hortilux bulb. They just don't have the penetration. But they sip the energy so it's a trade off I guess
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Jackalope
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I agree Pennywise. If they are the Tester type. I had good luck with the Snowdawg 3 I tried last year. I still stand by the seed bank freebie thing. If you can not look up the breeder and find out info on them. They are better left in last resort pile. A great deal if you need them. Always great to have seeds to start on new grow set ups where there maybe problems.
My point is. Don't bump a known strain to grow unknown freebies. No matter what name they have on them. I know my C-99 seeds were nothing like the real Cinderella 99.
My point is. Don't bump a known strain to grow unknown freebies. No matter what name they have on them. I know my C-99 seeds were nothing like the real Cinderella 99.
We need to be careful where the freebies come from.
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Jackalope
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Yeah the power thing can be a big deal. I use that same hortilux bulb. They are about the best I have found. I have paid twice that amount for a HPS light they said was better. They never were LOL.
The penetration is the thing that gets me. The guy at Timber told me that they were getting a good 3 ft of penetration. I really only use the top 2 or 3 foot of the plant anyway. The 6 ft of penetration the HPS I use never really never has to do that much. So the 3 ft they claim should work. Might end up these lights are best for SCROG or something similar so the light don't need to penetrate down deep into the plant. How the buds themselves form and grow will be the key.
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Jackalope
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Pennywise. I have a good supply of Orange strains now. I am going to need to figure out how to save these genetics. If I ever manage it in seed form I will let you know. That Devils Oranges is a real interesting one. It will be good I just don't know how orange it will be. I am going to try the Bag of Oranges this run. If I like it I may have to hit it with a Tangie male or reversed female. Tangie has STRONG citrus terpene's I know. The Agent Orange I want to self and grow just like it is if I get a good one.
Use STS to self them.
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Jackalope
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That is what I would like to do with the Hybrid of the B.
. x Tangie. Find the one I want and self the shit out it. Even if I use a reversed female I should get a good variety of pheno's. I plan to try and self the Tangie for sure. In fact a lot of what I like I plan to try and self. If I get it done right is the big thing.
My mentor managed to cross 3 different Purps for his purple strain. BCBD purps x Mendo Purps x Seedking Purps. I would like to do something similar with Orange genetics. Orange Hill Special is out now. I still have 4 Orange strains left LOL.
. x Tangie. Find the one I want and self the shit out it. Even if I use a reversed female I should get a good variety of pheno's. I plan to try and self the Tangie for sure. In fact a lot of what I like I plan to try and self. If I get it done right is the big thing. My mentor managed to cross 3 different Purps for his purple strain. BCBD purps x Mendo Purps x Seedking Purps. I would like to do something similar with Orange genetics. Orange Hill Special is out now. I still have 4 Orange strains left LOL.
S1 seeds behave the same as F2 seeds meaning you’ll see a lot of recessive genes popping up in S1’s. A pheno hunters dream.
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Jackalope
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I never knew that about S-1 seeds. I have seen some weird shit happen with S-1's though. Apple showed up in my Critical S-1
I guess their are more people than I thought with my breeding theory. Cross 1 male with everything LMAO. I have been doing some checking on Nor star genetics. Not sure what to think about them anymore. They have groups of strains all bred by one male. The call each one a collection or something like that.
It is like someone took my breeding schedule to a whole new level. I can't say that is a good thing LOL. While I think this is a great thing to do for a small time guy like me just looking for their own seeds. I don't think I want Breeders doing it on a large scale. Yes they are probably going to get some winners. I would expect professional breeders would have a better plan than large scale pollen chucking. That is literally all they are doing.
I still think the Devils Oranges might be a good strain. It has nothing to do with what Nor Star did though. It has everything to do with how well Crockett Farms made Tangie to begin with. Tangie is pretty stable growth wise. I noticed only slight differences in the females. Mostly in smell. They all were frosty and smoked well. I expect the same from the males. That is why I plan to use Tangie for breeding. So Nor Star is fine with the Tangie collection. Not all strains are like Tangie.
They didn't just do this once or twice they have did this with lots of different males. I don't know how many collections they have but I saw at least 10, 2019 collections. At around 10 strains average per collection. That is over 100 strains! In one Year! No way they did this right.
This is nothing but whole sale seed production. Only to make money. This is what is wrong with the breeding world these days. For some it means seed making not breeding. I can't believe someone would waste everything it takes to be a breeder and waste it. The room, the genetics, the legal environment. Then proceed to do things half ass. It shows me that their BEST wouldn't be good enough so they go for bulk.
There are so many strains out there and tons of new growers. Companies like Nor Star are taking advantage of their inexperience. Just because a strain has "known" names does not make it good.
Nor Star is sure to have a couple winning strains. No way they can not with as many as they are making. How many mediocre strains did they dump onto the market? How many beginners were sold crap genetics? Genetics can not continue to get better if people keep dumping crap genetics on the market. People will never understand why this makes me so mad. So I guess I will just shut up. I Ranted, I feel Better, that's all that matters LMAO.
I guess their are more people than I thought with my breeding theory. Cross 1 male with everything LMAO. I have been doing some checking on Nor star genetics. Not sure what to think about them anymore. They have groups of strains all bred by one male. The call each one a collection or something like that.
It is like someone took my breeding schedule to a whole new level. I can't say that is a good thing LOL. While I think this is a great thing to do for a small time guy like me just looking for their own seeds. I don't think I want Breeders doing it on a large scale. Yes they are probably going to get some winners. I would expect professional breeders would have a better plan than large scale pollen chucking. That is literally all they are doing.
I still think the Devils Oranges might be a good strain. It has nothing to do with what Nor Star did though. It has everything to do with how well Crockett Farms made Tangie to begin with. Tangie is pretty stable growth wise. I noticed only slight differences in the females. Mostly in smell. They all were frosty and smoked well. I expect the same from the males. That is why I plan to use Tangie for breeding. So Nor Star is fine with the Tangie collection. Not all strains are like Tangie.
They didn't just do this once or twice they have did this with lots of different males. I don't know how many collections they have but I saw at least 10, 2019 collections. At around 10 strains average per collection. That is over 100 strains! In one Year! No way they did this right.
This is nothing but whole sale seed production. Only to make money. This is what is wrong with the breeding world these days. For some it means seed making not breeding. I can't believe someone would waste everything it takes to be a breeder and waste it. The room, the genetics, the legal environment. Then proceed to do things half ass. It shows me that their BEST wouldn't be good enough so they go for bulk.
There are so many strains out there and tons of new growers. Companies like Nor Star are taking advantage of their inexperience. Just because a strain has "known" names does not make it good.
Nor Star is sure to have a couple winning strains. No way they can not with as many as they are making. How many mediocre strains did they dump onto the market? How many beginners were sold crap genetics? Genetics can not continue to get better if people keep dumping crap genetics on the market. People will never understand why this makes me so mad. So I guess I will just shut up. I Ranted, I feel Better, that's all that matters LMAO.
Dankman_420
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Im not sure many of today's breeders are stabilizing anything. Even when I first started growing just 5 years ago there was a fraction of breeders compared to today. I think it's just human nature of the business to try and cash in. It's also why I don't fall for all the hyped modern strains for 200$+ per pack. It's all just the old stuff crossed, IMO. Sometimes old is better than modern. LMAO
I agree, very little thought goes into some of these collections. Just have to do your homework.
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Jackalope
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While I was checking around. I also did some research on "The New". I was curious why it cost so much money. Now I know. It is worth it!
This is the polar opposite of Nor Star. The guy that bred "The New" is the same guy that gave us the original Gelato plus a few others. Plus The New is made with some of those award winning genetics. From what I hear you don't need to find great pheno's you just pick phenos you like!
I also remember a time years ago wanting a new strain. Then decided to wait and see how it good it came out. Only to never be able to get those seeds again. Not going to happen here LOL. "The New" is also in the line up for this next grow.
This brings me back to my previous post. I am going to have 5 "The New" seeds. How many plants I don't know yet. I want to make sure I do the best I can with genetics of this level. So every time I grow them I plan to try and regenerate, self and breed each one. Why? Because I chuck pollen LMAO.
Thing is I have no plans at all to cross these seeds with a random male. Just because I can't pick my male from lots of choices. Does not mean I can't make the RIGHT choices. What regular strains I grow along with The New will be chosen just for the hybrid. That means using strains I know something about. Best choice would be Purple Betty. P.B. wasn't planned this grow. I really want to find a good P.B. female to self. I would love to cross this with "The New" for a feminized hybrid. P.B. is one of the strongest strains I have. Finding a good male should be easy enough. When I do this project I will do both regular and feminized seeds. Just in case the feminized don't take. So that makes it a later project. That leaves me looking for a good male I can get lucky with. (God that sounds bad when you read it LMAO)
Not many strains I have I can trust any random male from. At least none I plan to use this grow. I do have Cannalope, Tangie, P.B. C-99 and Blueberry that I trust. Not growing any of those this time.
Second Generation's Crown Royal is checking all the right boxes so far. The main thing. This is DJ shorts son and he has the real deal Blueberry. It is in the F-4 and F-5 stage these days but still Blueberry. So the worst I could get is a average Blueberry male. I have did a lot of checking on Blueberry males. While there are some better than others mostly the males vary in flavor not THC content. Best I could get is a G.G. #4 strong male. I like those odds. "The New" should be strong enough to carry any male for at least one cross and still be pretty strong. So at worst I have added some berry flavor to The New.
This all still sounds like pollen chucking to most. At least I used some kind of knowledge in my decision. In lots of case's I would make multiple hybrids with one male. Not in this case. The New is the only one I know that can Carry a Blueberry hybrid. I will do both The New plants but no others.
I can do this only because the hard work that was put into Blueberry to begin with. Real Breeders have brought us many tools to use breeding new genetics. Something that is getting lost in genetics these days. We are never going to get reliable high THC males if people don't start to stabilize some of these new great strains. Genetics are getting stronger all the time. As of now we have to cross them with 20 years or older strains. I don't see people taking the time for stable anymore. Poly hybrids are the thing of today. Which brings us right back to THE NEW LMAO.
This is the polar opposite of Nor Star. The guy that bred "The New" is the same guy that gave us the original Gelato plus a few others. Plus The New is made with some of those award winning genetics. From what I hear you don't need to find great pheno's you just pick phenos you like!
I also remember a time years ago wanting a new strain. Then decided to wait and see how it good it came out. Only to never be able to get those seeds again. Not going to happen here LOL. "The New" is also in the line up for this next grow.
This brings me back to my previous post. I am going to have 5 "The New" seeds. How many plants I don't know yet. I want to make sure I do the best I can with genetics of this level. So every time I grow them I plan to try and regenerate, self and breed each one. Why? Because I chuck pollen LMAO.
Thing is I have no plans at all to cross these seeds with a random male. Just because I can't pick my male from lots of choices. Does not mean I can't make the RIGHT choices. What regular strains I grow along with The New will be chosen just for the hybrid. That means using strains I know something about. Best choice would be Purple Betty. P.B. wasn't planned this grow. I really want to find a good P.B. female to self. I would love to cross this with "The New" for a feminized hybrid. P.B. is one of the strongest strains I have. Finding a good male should be easy enough. When I do this project I will do both regular and feminized seeds. Just in case the feminized don't take. So that makes it a later project. That leaves me looking for a good male I can get lucky with. (God that sounds bad when you read it LMAO)
Not many strains I have I can trust any random male from. At least none I plan to use this grow. I do have Cannalope, Tangie, P.B. C-99 and Blueberry that I trust. Not growing any of those this time.
Second Generation's Crown Royal is checking all the right boxes so far. The main thing. This is DJ shorts son and he has the real deal Blueberry. It is in the F-4 and F-5 stage these days but still Blueberry. So the worst I could get is a average Blueberry male. I have did a lot of checking on Blueberry males. While there are some better than others mostly the males vary in flavor not THC content. Best I could get is a G.G. #4 strong male. I like those odds. "The New" should be strong enough to carry any male for at least one cross and still be pretty strong. So at worst I have added some berry flavor to The New.
This all still sounds like pollen chucking to most. At least I used some kind of knowledge in my decision. In lots of case's I would make multiple hybrids with one male. Not in this case. The New is the only one I know that can Carry a Blueberry hybrid. I will do both The New plants but no others.
I can do this only because the hard work that was put into Blueberry to begin with. Real Breeders have brought us many tools to use breeding new genetics. Something that is getting lost in genetics these days. We are never going to get reliable high THC males if people don't start to stabilize some of these new great strains. Genetics are getting stronger all the time. As of now we have to cross them with 20 years or older strains. I don't see people taking the time for stable anymore. Poly hybrids are the thing of today. Which brings us right back to THE NEW LMAO.
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Jackalope
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At least I still like the Devils Oranges LMAO. I am pretty sure Tangie is good enough. Even Nor Star couldn't fuck up a hybrid with it.
Dankman_420
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Sound like a good plan brother 
I'm planning on chucking some pollen soon too. If I can get these 5 year old Chernobyl seeds to germ 
I've got a cut in flower now that I think might be the slymer pheno. I'm going to try and back cross it and cross it to Ting which is purple tangie x orange creamsicle. Might be interesting mixes
I'm planning on chucking some pollen soon too. If I can get these 5 year old Chernobyl seeds to germ I've got a cut in flower now that I think might be the slymer pheno. I'm going to try and back cross it and cross it to Ting which is purple tangie x orange creamsicle. Might be interesting mixes- Thread starter
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Jackalope
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Research is the key! Thing is too many new growers don't realize it. To many companies these days to do it right. It would be cool to bring back Seed Bank update. They used to rate most seed breeders and banks. They used costumer satisfaction, easy of ordering, scams and a lot more. I used to start there and only look at breeders/strains from the top of the list. This was also before social media could screw up things by self rating shit.
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