Random Thoughts: Plants & Genetics

Ive been on a few different canna sites and I have came to the conclusion that this place is the only one worth going to. 420 mag is by far the best mainly because it's got great staff and older members. Rollitup and others are full of teens and younger people who thrive on drama. These youngins are keyboard tough guys who love the non physical battles. Plus they already know everything. I'll stay here with mature crowd that uses common sense
 
Dankman_420 said:
Ive been on a few different canna sites and I have came to the conclusion that this place is the only one worth going to. 420 mag is by far the best mainly because it's got great staff and older members. Rollitup and others are full of teens and younger people who thrive on drama. These youngins are keyboard tough guys who love the non physical battles. Plus they already know everything. I'll stay here with mature crowd that uses common sense
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You put it into perspective really well Dankman. What I saw on Useful's thread was a lot of people fawning over the guy and blowing smoke up his ass for tester seeds. I don't care what kind of pictures they post. It says nothing of how the weed actually worked. Of course they are going to say it is Fire. What are they supposed to say? They spent a 1000 bucks and grew crap LMAO.

I grew the guys stuff. Yes the one terpene profile he said was there was. I found 1 plant out of 3 with citrus terps. The effects of the smoke was very average. Not something I expected out of a Tangie hybrid.
 
CannaFish said:
How are you liking the ssh? I’m smoking some from a friend and it’s alright. Decent high and good vibe but lacking in other areas
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EXACTLY! I did get a couple good ones. The high can be a bit deceiving. You feel ok because there is very little body to the high. I have found that I am a lot dumber then I fell at those same times LOL.

I have found the same lacking thing in 2 indica strains this grow. Cataract Kush and Banana Sorbet are both mostly body indicas. (I should mention both strains did have one great all around plant) Thing is. The SSH really shines with those same strains. It also makes them shine. 2 hits of one and 2 hits of the other makes a incredible high. You can then see they are both strong just lacking the others needed traits.

One of my SSH has a old school Skunk high. I am old, I have smoked the real deal LOL. It has a great all around high. Just not extremely strong. I can see brilliant plants coming from this strain. As old as the genetics are it is going to take better plants now days to stand out then it used too. It only took 2 seeds from Ghost Train Haze to knock my dick in the dirt with one plant. Everyone needs to remember. SSH is over 20 years old.
 
I thought the aroma and taste was pretty lackluster on the 1 ssh I sampled. Kind of like a peanut butter cracker snack. But the high was satisfactory. This was the middle pheno. He has 1 more hazey pheno yet to harvest. I’ve read a few times that people prefer the mango haze over the ssh for improved smells. I agree so far.
 
All three of mine had pretty much the same smell. Old school sweet sativa is the best way I can explain it. People like the smell but it has yet to come through in flavor. Lots of flavors need time to cure in on some sativas, It might be better tasting in a month or so. Plants are big enough to last long enough for flavor to come out if it is going to be there.

Like I mentioned I can see them finding a cup winner in here. At least for its time. You have to remember most weed was around 15% to 20% then. It was a lot easier for a plant to shine then. Plus they could grow a 100 females and pick the best one.

I may still try Mango Haze at some time. After I get done looking at Rare Dankness Haze's. GTH was everything I hoped it was. Karma Bitch will be next I think. It is a Nevelle's Wreck hybrid. Kind of like their GTH.
 
I have a pack of Rare Dankness dark shadow haze. It's grape ape x Neville's wreck. I've tried to crack a couple of them with no success. I'll try again later at some point.

I've been running their grape ape x Rare Dankness #1 for the last few runs. It's really nice balanced hybrid. Super stable with hints of grape terps. I've grown a few Rare Dankness strains all were extremely stable and potent. I kept 501st OG for a few runs, also hit it with Chernobyl pollen. But I only got a dozen seeds from it. I have 3 of those seedlings started at the moment.

This fall I'll be starting a Rare Dankness og breeding project with either Rugburn OG or 501st og to get F2's. Maybe both just depends on what this are like then. I've grown the Rugburn OG once. One of the best quality OG's I've ever smoked. Only flaw was it's stems were really flimsy and fragile. It needed stakes everywhere. Top shelf smoke, but not grower friendly. I might have just gotten a odd pheno
 
Great to hear Dankman. I am pretty sure we both have their Flo Og too. I have smoked both strains and figured that would be a great hybrid. I bought Flo from D.J. Short just to make it LMAO.

The more I smoke SSH. The more I am learning about it. One plant is fine as a daytime smoke. The other 2 can't be trusted. If I smoke how I normally do I tend to smoke to much. Not that I was too high. More that I was too spacey to feel comfortable in all situations. Not something I want from my day time sativa. Totally different story for fishing weed. It works fine for things like that.

That makes SSH more of what I thought it was. I now know why so many people bred with it. I think the hybrid of Banana Sorbet x SSH would have worked really well. They both do one thing really well. I am going to cross the Banana Sorbet with something when I pop the last 3 seeds. Not sure which one yet. It may need to be a regular hybrid just for the fact I had trouble regenerating it this go around. Pretty sure it will be Cinderella 99. I feel I can trust any male from it more then SSH.
 
With no plants going. I have to check here first to see what I am doing. Which is nothing LMAO. The last of the SSH plants put out 2 3/4 oz. A fair amount bigger then its sisters. Might be the plant, might be the better health in general that did it.

All I can think about is what kind of hybrid it would have made. with Choccrit. I bred 2 strains with highs I really liked. Not the strongest just fun weed. The outcome was everything I thought it would be. The SSH x Banana Sorbet would have been different. It would have been breeding 2 strains that were really strong that I didn't like. To try and make something I did like. I really wanted to see the outcome of that one. One thing that should have happened was huge plants. A hybrid of the largest sativa with the largest indica would probably have a pretty predictable outcome.

Which brings me back to breeding. It is going to be something that is tough to get out of my mind. Trying to do it is just going to get in the way of what I want to do. Which for a while will be just looking. I want to spend some time finding more strains like C-99 and Headband. Hell one of those strains is a cross between C-99 and Headband lol. 1 I made myself. The other is Headband x C-99 that Grimm made.

After finding the great pheno of Strawberry Lemonade. It just proves there are a few more favorites for me out there.
 
The cross I am running now is a mashup of my favorite indica smokes. luckily my weed buddy loaned me his keeper moms to make seeds with. I think it’s coming out just as planned. Trying to make it a powerfully pleasant hard hitter with unique lip smacking flavors.

I’ve always wanted to try gth or dark shadow haze. I’ve heard great things about both of em.

I think my favorite day time working weed is the heirloom Colombian sativas. I can smoke and get really high and still do any work or communications comfortably and still feel high.
 
Hard to beat the real deal Cinderella 99 for me. GTH is great weed don't get me wrong. I just clissify it more of mid day weed because of the strong effects. It is not a day wrecker by any means. It may not be the best day starter LOL.

I need to give my Colombian another run soon. Mine had a nice minty smell and was nice smoke. It is a feminized version so I don't expect great things from it just good weed.
 
That brings me to what to grow next. I will still be staying with well known genetics for most. I don't know that I will be growing all high THC strains like I did this last run. I smoke to much weed to have strong weed LMAO.

I enjoy topping off here and there. Staying nicely buzzed turns into really stoned pretty easily LOL. Maybe I just need to learn to smoke stronger weed lol. It is not like the stuff I grew before is crap. It wasn't. This stuff is just harder to randomly grab strains to smoke together. The wrong mix and I'm in my chair watching TV and thinking of a nap. Not up doing my choirs like I should be LMAO.
 
Happy memorial day Jack. I'm sure the gem C99 will be solid. Mr Soul wouldn't release it if it wasn't. C-99 is one of those classics that stand up to the Hype strains. Well at least it will to the youngins that have smoked it. Lots of the young generation started on cookies so they don't know what the older strains have to offer
 
Very nice Dank.

Finding the right berry strain is something I still need to do. My Purple Betty has great Purps flavor and a great high. It isn't what I would call a berry smell like Blueberry or some of the others. Not sure how it compares to the grape strains. it needs to be stronger then Blueberry is though LOL. I love the Blueberry smells from my Blue Dream but flavor wasn't really there. What I really need to do is start looking at TGA genetics for some berry in the Deep Purple I have. I like the smells and flavor of Blueberry hybrids. I still don't consider most of them to be berry though.

You mentioned a great point about older genetics. If someone started with quality modern genetics. They may never go back and grow a classic. At least till they realize it is more about effects then it is about THC percent. Some of these new hybrids are strong as f**k and have great highs. Why would anyone go back LOL.

This last grow I got lots of really strong weed. Every strain but one had a favorite plant that I consider very strong. They would have all be great mothers. The rest of it was still strong but very boring and just got me stoned. Anyone would be happy with the outcome. Which I am. I still find the bulk of it lacking that special high I get from my favorite strains.

Not every 707 Headband is strong. Some lean on the indica side others are more sativa. I still don't know which pheno is my favorite. I like the high of every one of them. As great as the old classics are. Things like Ghost Train Haze keep us looking at the newer shit. I am still in morning about the Strawberry Lemonade that didn't regenerate. Something new that I would love to never be out of.
 
Jackalope said:
Very nice Dank.

Finding the right berry strain is something I still need to do. My Purple Betty has great Purps flavor and a great high. It isn't what I would call a berry smell like Blueberry or some of the others. Not sure how it compares to the grape strains. it needs to be stronger then Blueberry is though LOL. I love the Blueberry smells from my Blue Dream but flavor wasn't really there. What I really need to do is start looking at TGA genetics for some berry in the Deep Purple I have. I like the smells and flavor of Blueberry hybrids. I still don't consider most of them to be berry though.

You mentioned a great point about older genetics. If someone started with quality modern genetics. They may never go back and grow a classic. At least till they realize it is more about effects then it is about THC percent. Some of these new hybrids are strong as f**k and have great highs. Why would anyone go back LOL.

This last grow I got lots of really strong weed. Every strain but one had a favorite plant that I consider very strong. They would have all be great mothers. The rest of it was still strong but very boring and just got me stoned. Anyone would be happy with the outcome. Which I am. I still find the bulk of it lacking that special high I get from my favorite strains.

Not every 707 Headband is strong. Some lean on the indica side others are more sativa. I still don't know which pheno is my favorite. I like the high of every one of them. As great as the old classics are. Things like Ghost Train Haze keep us looking at the newer shit. I am still in morning about the Strawberry Lemonade that didn't regenerate. Something new that I would love to never be out of.
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I find your thoughts and experience really interesting and valuable regarding strains new and old and the highs and special qualities they give. It's clear there is a lot pretend duplication out there of strains that share the same name but they could be quite different plants with quite different genetics. I hear your's and other's often repeated advice to seek out the quality genetics. It clearly makes so much sense, as for anyone merely seeking out a strain by name only may end up with nothing like what the genuine genetics would give. I can't believe the number times I've seen discussions on strains without any mention or question of who the breeder is.

I take your point that of the modern genetics that there will be some that have clearly succeeded in being bred for potency, and as you say sometimes there is more to the high than just the THC%. Some of these new strains will have also got it right too I am sure. People sometimes say the old timer weed was far more weaker than modern weed. But I remember having Columbian Gold in the early 1980's as well as some wild Nepalese and Thai weed that absolutely blew me away. I find it hard to accept that those strains would have measured as weak today, in fact I am sure that they would have been on par with modern strains altho I accept that I haven't had the experience of verified modern top level genetics to confirm that.

The recent outdoor grow I completed included a Gorilla Glue auto from 420, a White Widow from AMS and White Widow x Gorgonzola cross that was the result of 2 AMS plants that I pollen chucked together the previous year. I had thought that I would be rating the WW the highest as that was my primo plant from the year before. The Gorgonzola, which by the way I have never heard of elsewhere, is stated as the offspring of Cheese and Sour Diesel and said to be about 75% Sativa. When I grew that last year it was good but it didn't jump out in any way for me and I preferred the WW as my go strain as it gave, I felt, a stronger high. Both plants curiously looked very very similarly, with long narrow leaves, altho the WW got more purpling towards the end of flowering from the overnight drops in temperature I guess.

This year I also grew out the cross, WW x G, I had expected it to be mild and something that would if nothing else provide me a selection of bud with which to indulge. However, the WW x G, has turned out to be my favorite smoke. The WW and the GG both get me nicely ripped, that is good, but their high sort of encloses me, makes a buffer to the rest of the world, which is great if you're doing something on your own like fishing or on the computer, but if you have to interact with others, that high becomes more challenging. But the WW x G I find lifts me up on a nice high and gives me a nice euphoria but one that still leaves me with a clear head that allows intrusions, interruptions and phone calls as being very comfortable to deal with. I had previously been thinking I needed to focus on identifying the most potent strains/genetics because after getting high for 40 years the mild stuff doesn't do a lot for me. But now I have had this experience it makes me wonder, if some of those strains which are more, perhaps, balanced than purely high THC%, that perhaps that is where folk who have tried Jack Herer for example (which I haven't yet) or Cinderella99 that you mention often, will say it may not be the highest potency but is nonetheless their preferred smoke most of the time. Anyway, I and a couple of others who have so far tried this WW x G cross have found it to be something more special than pure potency because of how easily it lifts you up while allowing for interactions to be comfortable/at ease.

So anyway, I find the thoughts you share to be very informative and interesting with regard to strains/genetics. It makes me wonder that if my amateur low number pollen chucking can produce a high that has surprised me like it has, then what are the highs like from the real top level genetics that you often mention like with Cinderella99, Blueberry, Cannalope Haze etc. I say that as I have feck all growing space so I don't want to waste resources growing seeds/genetics whose high is like a flat fizz.
 
Thanks. I like to hear other peoples impressions of strains they have smoked. Especially when it comes to the things that go along with it. How the high effected them tells me a lot. There is so much more to it then most people describe. At least there should be. Like you mentioned there are lots of highs that are nothing but a flat fizz or just stoned. Hybrids are so mixed up these days. You really never know what kind of highs the combinations will give you.

I am not surprised you found a plant that you bred that had a great high. Especially with anything crossed with WW. Some of the old classics have multiple great offspring. WW is one of the tops for that.

The bag seed that made the whole Chem/Og lines shows that any one seed can have greatness. Hell even cheap seeds can have a great plant here and there. Mostly the higher priced genetics give you a higher percentage of good plants. One main thing to mention. While some strains have multiple good pheno's. Others may only have one. How prevalent that pheno is changes from strain to strain.

Weed is stronger now then before. At least for the most part. Back in the day highs were more rounded so in some case's the effects may have just felt stronger. I am sure a few old school land race strains may have came close to the 20% THC range. Not many though. Mostly it was just great effects. I remember when strains first started hitting the 20% THC level. 20 to 22% was max for a lot of years. I think for the most part anything in the 18 to 25% THC. Is going to be considered great if it has the right effects.

Even just a few years back I saw strains winning cups that were in the 19% THC range. I am sure there were 25% THC strains in the same cup.
 
Looks like I have been chosen. By who I will leave blank for now. I will be testing a new strain this next grow. Not just for me but for a well known breeder. How this first one goes will have a lot to do with if I ever get to do it again. This could be a test to see if I come up with the same conclusion as other people did. I wouldn't be surprised if they would check my ability to test and understand a strain first. Only way to do that is with something they already have information on. Who cares. Free is cool but not the best part. I love looking at new strains. A reason to look into a strain only intensifies the same feelings.

I hope all goes well so I can do it more. The really neat part is I don't know what is being send. I will know in a couple days. I am growing it for sure so everything else will have to be adjusted to go along with it. The cool part is anything they will be testing should be a hybrid with modern genetics.

This will defiantly give each grow with a test strain just a bit more fun. I now have plenty of genetics that no matter what is sent. I will have plenty of choices of what to grow with it. What I don't know yet is if I will be testing new breeders for me while I test a strain for some one else. A test is a test. That means there is going to be a chance they may suck. That makes the fact that it is a established breeder a huge plus. I trust their released strains. That is more then I know about unknown breeders.

Stay tuned to find out what I will be testing.
 
I did a bit of spring cleaning. I finally went through all my seeds and repacked then by breeder. It should be lots easier this way. I knew I stayed with a few certain breeders but was a bit surprised about the numbers. Here are the basics not all of them by any means. Breeder first then the 3 of strains.

Canabiogen 2
Humboldt 11
Bodhi 5
T.H. Seeds 3
Dinafem 2
Rare Dankness 4
Sensi 4
Katsu 3
Archive 1
Mosca 2
Useful 6
Dynasty/Relic 7
TGA/Dank 6
DNA/Crockett 14
Grimm 10
Greenhouse 7
Barneys Farm 10
D.J. Short/Second Gen 5
Auto Flower 6
Young Guns 12. Misc, new breeders I am looking at.

I guess the surprise came when I realized just how companies I like. I always saw it my head as just a few. Damn I got a lot of work to do. That is not even counting most of the single strain breeders and other misc seeds, my genetics, and mentors genetics. A lot of these strains were meant to be bred and may yet be. A few will only be grown with breeding in mind. That cuts down on what I have to do LOL.

I still wonder if I will ever get a chance to just grow for breeding. I pray for federal medical every night lol. What is cool, if you consider the breeders involved. There are going to be tons of great plants in those genetics.
 

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