Queen's Sophmore Grow F - Lemon Skunk - Big Bang - Along With Some Bag Seed Sprouts

Re: Queen's Sophmore Grow F - Lemon Skunk - Big Bang - Along With Some Bag Seed Sprou

Queenie,

As far as the molasses goes, use it every time you fertilize, not just for a nutrient deficiency. I use it through the complete growth cycle, from earlier vegetation to final flowering. Aside from the minerals it has, molasses supplies some essential sugars that spur plant growth AND produces bigger flowers!

I've used it consistently for all my grows and if you look at my journal, you'll see how healthy my plants are. If you use molasses (preferably blackstrap molasses), you will probably never have a mineral deficiency problem. I've only had one in four grows and that was because I was ignoring my plants, not fertilzing them regularly and using the wrong fertilizers.

As far as the Epsom salts treatment goes, this is from the plant abuse chart:


Magnesium (Mg)
Magnesium is a component of the chlorophyll molecule and serves as a cofactor in most enzymes.

Magnesium (Mg) deficiency:
Magnesium deficiency will exhibit a yellowing (which may turn brown) and interveinal chlorosis beginning in the older leaves. The older leaves will be the first to develop interveinal chlorosis. Starting at leaf margin or tip and progressing inward between the veins. Notice how the veins remain somewhat green though as can be seen in figure 15.

Notice how in figure 16 and 17 the leaves curl upwards like they're praying? They're praying for Mg! The tips may also twist.

This can be quickly resolved by watering with 1 tablespoon Epsom salts/gallon of water. Until you can correct nutrient lockout, try foliar feeding. That way the plants get all the nitrogen and Mg they need. The plants can be foliar feed at ½ teaspoon/quart of Epsom salts (first powdered and dissolved in some hot water). When mixing up soil, use 2 teaspoon dolomite lime per gallon of soil.

If the starting water is above 200 ppm, that is pretty hard water, that will lock out mg with all of the calcium in the water. Either add a 1/4 teaspoon per gallon of epsom salts or lime (both will effectively reduce the lockout or invest into a reverse osmosis water filter.

Mg can get locked-up by too much Ca, Cl or ammonium nitrogen. Don't overdo Mg or you'll lock up other nutrients.

I would try the Epsom salts a couple of times and see what happens. Some people use smaller amounts all the time to treat their hard water.

The giveway sign of a magnesium deficiency is "leaves curling up." I don't recall that with your plant, so you may not even have a magnesium deficiency. Can you post some current pictures of the plant?

Miwa said:
i gave mine some molasses today and Grant...if my girls complain i will be at your door...

Come by my door anytime, Miwa. I'll have some fine bud for you to try out!
 
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I will post some pics tomorrow Ggrant. My sugar has crashed. I hate being diabetic!
 
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Update---fed, watered, nuted and will be giving some molasses once it has cooled off. But then I had to wonder after seeing Evo's post, is it cool to give molasses when using coco? This is the first time I have given them any with this grow. But if it is safe to continue doing so then I will take GGrant's advice and start giving during veg and flowering...Here are the latest pics of the group...

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Miss Lemon Skunk
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Miss Big Bang
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Bring on the clones..
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Room temp is 75 with humidity of 53....So tell me what you guys think?
 
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they look great queen! the clones look real healthy. Im getting ready to start using molasses I think Im going to start going organic only on my next grows Im real interested in docbuds way of growing it seams so simply just need a lot of room to work in to brew teas and mix the soil and let it cool down but not havinng to ph sounds great to me! I have a update tonight in my journal if yah wanna peek. I just warm your throne just in case!:peace:
 
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queen how much longed do you belive it will take untill you put those plants on 12/12 to flower ?

Well, I have 3 that could go to the flower room if I had the room..The rest still needs some time to veg.

GG---You gotta link for Doc Bud? I would be interested in reading it. I have been peeping your journal, I have just been quiet. Thanks about the clones. I am really excited about them because my first attempt was an epic fail!!! But I figured out what I had done wrong the first time which was a few things. All in all, I think I have things pretty much dialed in to work for me. Such a big difference from my first grow.
 
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Evo-Rat-93 said:
dont know about coco and molasses?

don't know about brown shoes and a blue suit?
don't know about red wine and fish?
don't know much about arithmetic?

This may seem passive-aggresive, but I'm only going to say it once:

When I post a message, unless I say it's speculative, I substantiate my claims in one or more of the following ways:

1) Cite a reputable source like this site or copy from blogs by growers with lots more experience than me;
2) Provide the background math and science to support my claim;
3) Give examples with my own grow.

Some of the longer, detailed messages I've posted here have taken several hours to research and prepare (some of the messages on my own journal have take 8 hours or more to assemble).

So. when someone posts an off-hand remark without having any idea if it's true or not, that's not very helpful.

I understand you had some concerns, but why not provide a source for your claim, or check it out yourself?

I know you're caught in the middle of this, QTL, but you have to weigh the information posted here and decide for yourself whether or not to follow it.

P. S.

Thought you might like to know:



Advantages and drawbacks
Coco overall has many distinct advantages over soil. I have yet to grow a plant in Coco that hasn't reached 2-2.5 feet in just 1 month from seed, without any stretching until later in life (without Topping or Fimming). The evenness of watering and the quick and direct changes of pH compares to hydro. The cost isn't that steep because it can be reused up to 3 times, making the average cost (for myself) .24 cents US currency per US gallon. Well, after using coco, I'll never use normal potting soil ever again

The only drawback to Coco I have found is that a massive root ball forms very quick while in veg., all my plants were detrimentally root bound in 7 Liter (1.85) gallons of coco after only 3 weeks of growth from seed. If you are ready for the growth, being in pots, and hesitant at all to go hydro with supplies and adjustments, it's just a small hurdle for all the benefits.

The following is just one of many messages recommending molasses with coco coir:

I always use Hi-Brix molasses in my coco grows (it was only ~ 16.00 a gallon at my local hydro shop). I start a few weeks into my Veg. stage. I use the molasses as part of a once-a-week "supplemental feeding" (with some other ingredients) I give my plants.

I feed them this supplemental feeding at the end of every week, starting at week 3 of Veg. all the way through flowering. I start with 2ml./gallon, working up from there. What I do is use my EC meter to make the strenght of my "supplemental feeding" approximately the same as my regular nutrient feeding. So, as time goes on I slowly increase the amount of mollasses I add to the supplemental feeding, just as the strength of my nutrient solution increases over time.

By the time I get to flowering I'm at around 10ml./gallon molasses. I go up to 30ml/gallon by 4 or 5 weeks into flowering, which is where I stay untill it's time to flush.

Molasses contains potassium in significant quantities, as well as sugars (which feeds soil microbes) which are mostly sucrose, but can also contain simple sugars in the form of glucose and fructose, trace minerals, and vitamins. Molasses also acts as a general, mild, plant tonic.

I've also found that molasses seems to add to the essential oil production of the plants--meaning, in particular, more pungent, aromatic, stronger tasting smoke!
 
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To all followers and friends of QueenTokelove!!!

As I am sure you might know, QTL was in the running for MOTM... and if you have been there recently, you know that she has now been disqualified from the contest now due to cheating...

I am not one to judge what might and might not have happened... its not my place at all... I am just here to pass on the word from QTL...

She has made the decision to withdraw from :420: community all together... this is an unfortunate thing, although we have lost a sista in battle, she still carries on with BPN Army in the greener pastures...

This is a direct quote from QTL in a PM that I had with her...

"actually it was not me that cheated. It was my BF. He knew about the contest but not the rules and he was trying to help me win. I was upset about it, as well as embarrassed. So I won't be coming back to the site. I don't want to leave the site, but I know in everyones eyes, they will look at me as a cheater. And my BF had good intentions, he just didn't know the rules. Plus he knew how much it meant to me."

Now like I said, I am not saying this is true... I am not siding with her, I am no way putting myself in the middle of this... I am just the messenger, she feels embarressed about it and asked if I would let you all know why she won't be posting any longer...

I wish the best for our sista QTL!!! and hope that she comes back to us all one day!!!

til then

:peacetwo:
 
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Yes, I am back, thanks to the love of my friends here. Gonna keep it short in this one, I said all the mushy stuff in my other journal....

As for an update, well, they're all doing good actually. The over watered plant that was giving me issues seemed to have gotten it together after giving it some molasses. I haven't seen anymore spots. Just a little yellowing but I increased the nutes, so far that has seemed to have helped. Big bang and lemon skunk are doing good since their last transplant. But I will need to transplant BB again from butter bowl to a gallon pot once I pull the male out of it.

I just wish I would've thought things through a bit better. Not talking about the dates but that I have so many going that I may have to harvest some of them early if not ready by the time I have to move. My lease expires the end of May. I guess in a way I am talking dates. I think the final ones will be the BB and LS... But with waiting on the ones that is currently in flower to get done is going to cause quite a bit of root bound. I had trimmed the roots to some of the bag seed plants once. So now I am wondering if I trim again, that is gonna be stress for the second time. How many times can I do it or would it be better to leave them bound? That is also causing stress but which would be the lesser evil of the two?

I fed them nutes and water yesterday, will prolly give more molasses with water on Thurs or Fri. Temps and humidity is staying within normal range. They are getting taller and I can't raise the light anymore. So once they get close to the light once again, I will make an effort to try to tie them down again. The clones are still growing nice since the dome has been taken off them. I still keep the heating pad underneath them because of being so young and the outside temps being low has made the closet a bit cooler, the lowest has been 70 degrees. I get kinda nervous if it falls lower than that but hasn't so far.
 
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Welcome back...i almost said Kotter...as i told you before
root-bound plants will die
...the lesser evil of the two...cut the roots...me i would re-pot...and saying i have no containers is a cop-out..tell your BF to go get some containers..they/re free...
 
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Welcome back...i almost said Kotter...as i told you before...the lesser evil of the two...cut the roots...me i would re-pot...and saying i have no containers is a cop-out..tell your BF to go get some containers..they/re free...

Uh you know something I don't? Where would we possibly find some pots for free? As far as I or my bf knows, there is no nurseries around here that gives them out for free..
 
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Uh you know something I don't? Where would we possibly find some pots for free? As far as I or my bf knows, there is no nurseries around here that gives them out for free..

I didn't say pots i said containers..where i live people set all type of containers out for garbage pick-up...the city dump is full of containers...i see 5 gal buckets all over my hood...milk crates,,,line them with garbage bags...the list goes on and on...punch a few drain holes and you are good to go..I'm just saying i'll put a sprout in my pocket if thats all i could do to keep it alive..i'm responsible...i gave it birth...
 
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I didn't say pots i said containers..where i live people set all type of containers out for garbage pick-up...the city dump is full of containers...i see 5 gal buckets all over my hood...milk crates,,,line them with garbage bags...the list goes on and on...punch a few drain holes and you are good to go..I'm just saying i'll put a sprout in my pocket if thats all i could do to keep it alive..i'm responsible...i gave it birth...

Oh you mean dumpster diving, that's what we call it. Usually when I am out and about, I am looking out for containers or pots. A lot of my neighbors seem to have empty pots only problem is that the pots are usually by their doors and not the curb. I haven't gotten up the nerve of ringing their bell and asking them for their pots. Nor have I seen anyone outside to ask. And the last place I would go would be the city dump especially here where rats are prolly the size of dogs..lol
 
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QTL said:
I love you guys like a fat kid loves cake!!!!

As Comic Book Guy would say:

Best Line Ever !

I couldn't figure out where you disappered to.

miwa said:
I'm just saying i'll put a sprout in my pocket if thats all i could do to keep it alive..i'm responsible...i gave it birth...

Love it! I can hear the song Cool from West Side Story playing in the background:
Got a rocket in your pocket,
Keep coolly cool, boy!
Don't get hot,
'Cause man, you got
Some high times ahead.

Milk gets delivered in plastic crates. How about hanging out at convenience stores and swiping one fo their milk crates when they're not looking
I'm a bit confused about which plant is causing the trouble, QTL. The leaves are turning yellow on this plant too early, isn't that right? Please give a summary about this plant. Is it planted in coco?

And regarding the coco you're using. Did you buy it as loose soil or as a cake you had to break up? How did you prepare the coco for use? Typically, just adding some nitrogen nutes should do the job. But I'm wondering if might be something like the pH being off (I think coco is naturally acidic, isn't that right?)

I'm just about to transplant some plants from soil to coco and I'm going to clone some plants also using coco, so seeing (and hopefully figuring out) what's wrong with your plant would help me avoid similar problems myself.

Could you post just a single picture of her?

By the way, if you're going to fertilize soon, use the nutes you use for veg instead of flower. The veg nutes are higher in nitrogen and using it once or twice won't hurt and will probably do a lot of good!
 
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Hey Ggrant, the plant that is showing a whole lot of yellowing is not with the plants of this journal but the one that I have that is in flowering in my other journal. I did take pics of it. But to answer your question, yes it is in coco, the one in soil is not doing this at all, the leaves are nice and green. As for the coco, I bought it in bricks. The only thing I did was add water to it. I never thought of adding the nutes to moisten the coco. Nor did I know that coco starts out as being acidic, I thought it becomes that way from lack of watering.

As for swiping milk crates, the stores by my house are like bodegas or little corner stores. They do not leave milk crates just laying around for someone to swipe. If only it was that easy. Loved West Side Story, just watched it about a month ago. To me, Rita Moreno makes the movie though I know it revolved around Tony and Maria.
 
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Also forgot to add that I transplanted Big Bang to a gallon pot earlier tonight...
 
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OK, how about this. I'm not sure if you use these where you live, but there are "blue box" recycle bins all around where I live. If you can liberate one of these for the cause, you can get the bf to drill a bunch of holes in it - would make a great pot!

Another idea is to get one of those cheap plastic laundry baskets (maybe you have one lying around?) - you know the ones that look like they're woven out of flimsy plastic. Take one of these and line it with a garbage bad, poke some holes in it and you're good to go.

If you're really desperate, try to find an old wooden crate or even take a sturdy cardboard box like the kind movers use and line that with a large plastic trash bag. The plastic will keep the box dry (except at the bottom where you have to punch some holes.
 
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OK, how about this. I'm not sure if you use these where you live, but there are "blue box" recycle bins all around where I live. If you can liberate one of these for the cause, you can get the bf to drill a bunch of holes in it - would make a great pot!Another idea is to get one of those cheap plastic laundry baskets (maybe you have one lying around?) - you know the ones that look like they're woven out of flimsy plastic. Take one of these and line it with a garbage bad, poke some holes in it and you're good to go.If you're really desperate, try to find an old wooden crate or even take a sturdy cardboard box like the kind movers use and line that with a large plastic trash bag. The plastic will keep the box dry (except at the bottom where you have to punch some holes.

Nope, don't have any of those boxes that you're speaking of. But the idea with laundry basket sounds good. Gonna be taking a trip to the dollar store in a day or two and see what I can find there. They never have flower pots but I am sure I can find those baskets or something like it...

Mini update--opened the closet and bam, all of them seem to have had a massive group growth spurt. I have noticed some yellowing on the lemon skunk so I will start a foliar feed with her. Other than that everything seems good. Even the clones got in on the action, they have grown a bit too. I think it may also be time to transplant them to a bigger container.
 
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While waiting on the bf to finish making tacos, I thought I would update with the latest pics of the babies. I know they're not technically babies anymore but they're still my babies...

First off is lemon skunk and big bang...
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These are the bagseeds...
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And here are the clones from CannaVanna and Miss Buddalicious....
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Eureka !!!

is what Archimedes said as he ran naked down the street, his junk flapping in the wind. He had just found a way to determine if an object was made out of pure gold or not, using the amount of water it displaces to determine its volume. Then using its weight, he could determine its density and thus if it was pure gold or not. (Too much information?)

Anyway, when I was meditating in my grow room wearing my tinfoil hat (can have those Alpha Centaurians listening in), the Divine Earth Goddess appeared to me in a vision. She revealed to me

The Meaning Of Life

and

The Cause Of Your Plant's Problem

However, she told me that I could only reveal one of these to you. So which do you choose?

The Meaning Of Life

OR

The Cause Of Your Plant's Problem ?

The cause of your plant's problem? OK, I wouldn't expect anything less from a dedicated marijuana grower!

It seems you have a

Calcium Deficiency

I've never seen one before. Here's the skinny:

Calcium — The only real issue I've ever experienced in all my coco grows is calcium deficiency. This is a well documented trait of coco, it tends to absorb it and not release it in the quantity the plant needs. Many coco specific nutrients claim that their product corrects this, and I believe some do. But I can tell you not all of them do.

To correct the issue, whether using coco specific nutes or standard hydro nutes, supplemental calcium is needed. Botanicare CalMag is a very common and recommended fix. It works well but some heavy feeding plants hitting their stride, even twice the dosage may not be enough. This has happened to me on many occasions. The one thing I've found that works very well is adding dolomite limestone to my coco medium at the rate of 1 tbsp per gallon of medium. Hydrated lime also works very well, and needs to be applied every 4 to 5 weeks as a top dressing.

Once a calcium deficiency starts, it will continue to deteriorate even after a fix has been applied. It's an extremely frustrating ordeal and can trick you into taking drastic actions because nothing seems to be working. If you stay calm, you'll find that it really doesn't affect much other than making your leaves look like crap and killing them. Buds seem to be unaffected for the most part.

Calcium deficiency is more of a pain in the ass than problem, but it usually starts with little rust spots
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So how do you treat it? You can use CalMag as suggested above. What works as well is Dolmite Lime. If you are going to continue using coco, you need to pick up this stuff and mix it with your soil before you pot.

There are several kinds of lime on the market:
1) Hydrated Lime - too stong - don't get this;
2) Garden Lime - don't get this either. It has no magnesium in it; and
3) Dolomite Lime - this breaks down slowly and won't hurt your plants.

Dolomite Lime can be picked up at any Garden and Nursery center. It usually comes in humongous bags, but you should be able to find it in smaller quantites. You want something like


Dolomite Lime comes in various sizes from pellets to fine ground flour. The finer the granularity, the faster it is released into the soil. If you can't a finely ground version, take the pellets or whatever you can get and crush them yourself. Put it in a plastic bag and pound with a hammer. It's fairly brittle and will crush easily (I think).

The nice thing about coco is that a nutrient problem can be corrected much faster than in soil. Before you add anyting, flush your plant with lots of water until the runoff is fairly clear. (Apparently with coco, the runoff is never completely clear.)

Then give the plant a normal nutrient solution (nutes, molasses and anything else you normally add). Use pH corrected water (add 1 tsp lemon juice or vinegar per gallon to your nutrient bath.). Also add the CaMag or powdered Dolomite Lime as well. Unless you mix the Dolomite Lime into your soil, you should add it every time you water. You can even put CalMag into a foliar spray as well for quicker results.
 
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Wow, thanks Ggrant. I believe someone told me about CalMag before and the dolomite lime, now that you mention it. I remember asking where to get CalMag from. I will definitely check out the dolomite lime. So once I acquire this then I will probably mix with the coco in their pots and add it to some coco I have left in my bucket. I honestly forgot about the CalMag and dolomite lime. I will also check out that link.

It is almost time for lights out. Later when they wake up I will give them some molasses and water. Not much else to do really. I have still been foliar feeding them, gonna have to go back in my journal and see how often I need to do this. I believe Ggrant gave me info on this as well. I have been seeing yellowing leaves on a couple of them at the bottom. The current temp is 79 and humidity is at 56, left door open to cool it down before the lights go out in a half an hour.

Just bought some Botanicare CalMag online. It should get here Monday or Tuesday. But will also be getting some dolomite lime in the near future.
 
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