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Just did it today...
Just did it today...
Queen's Sophmore Grow F - Lemon Skunk - Big Bang - Along With Some Bag Seed Sprouts
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Yeah, it was the same with mine, Q~
That's just the old nutrients washing out.
QTL said:
I've never had much of a problem, but now that I think about it, I suppose my pH was always sub-optimal. If it's not off too much, your crop will be healthy, but it would do better with proper pH.
I currently don't have a thermometer, humidity gauge, pH meter, or ghost insurance.
However, I was told that I should get a pH meter.
I think you mentioned that someone had told you to get one that cost about $100.
If that's the case, here is a good one by Milwaukee Instruments (recommended by an ace grower) for about $20:
I just ordered the one from eBay.
Yeah, it was the same with mine, Q~
That's just the old nutrients washing out.
QTL said:
I've never had much of a problem, but now that I think about it, I suppose my pH was always sub-optimal. If it's not off too much, your crop will be healthy, but it would do better with proper pH.
I currently don't have a thermometer, humidity gauge, pH meter, or ghost insurance.
However, I was told that I should get a pH meter.
I think you mentioned that someone had told you to get one that cost about $100.
If that's the case, here is a good one by Milwaukee Instruments (recommended by an ace grower) for about $20:
Amazon - Milwaukee Instruments PH600AQ Ph Tester With 1 Point Manual Calibration
Milwaukee PH 600 Digital pH Meter/Tester/Pocket/Pen New | eBay
Milwaukee PH 600 Digital pH Meter/Tester/Pocket/Pen New | eBay
I just ordered the one from eBay.
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QueenTokelove
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I did find one on Ebay but I also saved your link too. I think it may be cheaper than the one I saw. At this point, I just guessed that my ph may be a problem, the only thing I could think to do was give some lemon juice. Then I got to wondering how long should I do this or will once be enough? I took the damaged leaves off and before lights off seem to be looking good but I will wait til later to see.
I did find one on Ebay but I also saved your link too. I think it may be cheaper than the one I saw. At this point, I just guessed that my ph may be a problem, the only thing I could think to do was give some lemon juice. Then I got to wondering how long should I do this or will once be enough? I took the damaged leaves off and before lights off seem to be looking good but I will wait til later to see.
ggrant
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Q~ said:
You likely have "hard" water. Do you find scale builds up in your sinks and bathtub rather quickly? This is just a sign of high mineral content in your water. It also causes the pH level to be alkaline. I have that problem myself and have just ignored it.
If your pH is alkaline, you are going to run into pH problems unless you use an additive to your soil. I posted some soil supplements that can lower pH in the long term.
I'm mentioned I used lemon juice for the first time (results are great!).
What growers who have "hard" water do is one of the following:
1) Use lemon juice, vinegar, etc. to lower the pH; or
2) Add Epson salts to their water.
The pH of lemon juice is about 3, so 1 tsp / gal is sufficient.
The pH of Epsom salts is about 6, so 1 tbsp / gal is needed.
Of course, you know Epsom salts is also used to treat a magnesium deficiency.
Since my sensei, Senor Marijuana, told me I should correct my soil's pH, I am going to use 1 tsp of lemon juice per gallon every time I water from now on.
This is from the plant abuse chart at the end of the treatment for Magnesium deficiency:
Since the pH of Epsom Salts is about only about 6 (whereas the pH of lemon juide is about 3), I would have thought that 1 tbsp per gal would be required for each watering.
Regardless, unless you have a soil additive that will control your pH, you need to treat your water every time you use it.
Since Epsom Salts contain mineral salts (well, duh!), repeated use may cause mineral salt buildup and eventually lead to mineral lockout, I intend to use lemon juice instead. Lemon juice has citric acid and shouldn't cause mineral lockout in the long term.
You can use 5% household vinegar (acetic acid) instead of lemon juice if you prefer. It has about the same pH as lemon juice (about 3), so you would use the same amount as you would of lemon juice.
I know this is long-winded, so let me summarize:
You want the water you use to have a pH of about 6.5. The water you are currently using probably has a pH between 8 and 8.5. So before you use it, add something acidic (lemon juice, vinegar, Epsom Salts) to bring the pH to an acceptable level - around 6.5.
So, that's it - adjust the pH in all your water before you use it.
Q~ said:
You likely have "hard" water. Do you find scale builds up in your sinks and bathtub rather quickly? This is just a sign of high mineral content in your water. It also causes the pH level to be alkaline. I have that problem myself and have just ignored it.
If your pH is alkaline, you are going to run into pH problems unless you use an additive to your soil. I posted some soil supplements that can lower pH in the long term.
I'm mentioned I used lemon juice for the first time (results are great!).
What growers who have "hard" water do is one of the following:
1) Use lemon juice, vinegar, etc. to lower the pH; or
2) Add Epson salts to their water.
The pH of lemon juice is about 3, so 1 tsp / gal is sufficient.
The pH of Epsom salts is about 6, so 1 tbsp / gal is needed.
Of course, you know Epsom salts is also used to treat a magnesium deficiency.
Since my sensei, Senor Marijuana, told me I should correct my soil's pH, I am going to use 1 tsp of lemon juice per gallon every time I water from now on.
This is from the plant abuse chart at the end of the treatment for Magnesium deficiency:
Since the pH of Epsom Salts is about only about 6 (whereas the pH of lemon juide is about 3), I would have thought that 1 tbsp per gal would be required for each watering.
Regardless, unless you have a soil additive that will control your pH, you need to treat your water every time you use it.
Since Epsom Salts contain mineral salts (well, duh!), repeated use may cause mineral salt buildup and eventually lead to mineral lockout, I intend to use lemon juice instead. Lemon juice has citric acid and shouldn't cause mineral lockout in the long term.
You can use 5% household vinegar (acetic acid) instead of lemon juice if you prefer. It has about the same pH as lemon juice (about 3), so you would use the same amount as you would of lemon juice.
I know this is long-winded, so let me summarize:
You want the water you use to have a pH of about 6.5. The water you are currently using probably has a pH between 8 and 8.5. So before you use it, add something acidic (lemon juice, vinegar, Epsom Salts) to bring the pH to an acceptable level - around 6.5.
So, that's it - adjust the pH in all your water before you use it.
Mark Green
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You said it Ggrant ph need to be in check at all times. However you choose to do it, be it through the soil or ph'ing your water.(I recommend a meter of some sort.)
You said it Ggrant ph need to be in check at all times. However you choose to do it, be it through the soil or ph'ing your water.(I recommend a meter of some sort.)
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QueenTokelove
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Thanks Mark and Ggrant...Lights are on, checked both plants, they seem to be doing well. I don't see any spots on any of the other leaves. There is still a little bit of yellowing but I have been doing the foliar feed. Coco is good and moist on all plants. So far so good. Temp is at 75 and humidity is at 54..
Thanks Mark and Ggrant...Lights are on, checked both plants, they seem to be doing well. I don't see any spots on any of the other leaves. There is still a little bit of yellowing but I have been doing the foliar feed. Coco is good and moist on all plants. So far so good. Temp is at 75 and humidity is at 54..
miwa
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Nobody ...i don't think...i may have missed it..its about those males you have...if those polen sacks open up that polen is going to travel...on you..through your vents...best to have them well contained...even then when you go around them they will catch a ride on you and jump on your girls when you visit them...i don't know why it wasn't mentioned...
Nobody ...i don't think...i may have missed it..its about those males you have...if those polen sacks open up that polen is going to travel...on you..through your vents...best to have them well contained...even then when you go around them they will catch a ride on you and jump on your girls when you visit them...i don't know why it wasn't mentioned...
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QueenTokelove
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I don't think anyone did mention that, good point. I was wondering about it though. And if that is the case then my girls are prolly already knocked up. If they are I don't consider it a bad thing, just have some seeds, hopefully not a whole lot. But I will just keep them seperate from the other beans I have.
I don't think anyone did mention that, good point. I was wondering about it though. And if that is the case then my girls are prolly already knocked up. If they are I don't consider it a bad thing, just have some seeds, hopefully not a whole lot. But I will just keep them seperate from the other beans I have.
ggrant
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Re: Queen's Sophmore Grow F - Lemon Skunk - Big Bang - Along With Some Bag Seed Sprou
Queenie,
My apologies. I made a mistake in my last post.
I said:
The first part about lemon juice and vinegar was correct.
The second part about using Epsom Salts is wrong.
While Epsom salts is great for treating a magnesium deficiency and since it's pH is 6, it won't raise the pH, however, it will not lower it significantly.
The pH of lemon juice is 3 while the pH of Epsom salts is 6, which means that lemon juice is 1,000 times more acidic, i.e., it has 1,000 more H-ions. These numbers can get to be off the charts, which is why a logarithmic scale is used.
Since most of the cause of high pH is from "hard water," I remember seeing that it can be treated with Epsom salts. However, there are two problems with hard water:
1) It has an alkaline pH (pH > 7); and
2) The high concentration of calcium ions in hard water can inhibit the uptake of magnesium.
The part I copied into my previous post was about treating hard water to avert a possible magnesium deficiency, not to lower the pH of the hard water.
So use only lemon juice or vinegar, not Epsom salts for the pH problem.
If you want to add Epsom salts once in a while for magnesium, that's your call. I, myself, don't like to add anything extra unless I have to.
The way to spot a magnesium deficiency is when your plant's leaves start to curl up. When that happens, they're praying for magnesium.
Anyway, hope that clears up the misinformation in my previous post.
Queenie,
My apologies. I made a mistake in my last post.
I said:
The first part about lemon juice and vinegar was correct.
The second part about using Epsom Salts is wrong.
While Epsom salts is great for treating a magnesium deficiency and since it's pH is 6, it won't raise the pH, however, it will not lower it significantly.
The pH of lemon juice is 3 while the pH of Epsom salts is 6, which means that lemon juice is 1,000 times more acidic, i.e., it has 1,000 more H-ions. These numbers can get to be off the charts, which is why a logarithmic scale is used.
Since most of the cause of high pH is from "hard water," I remember seeing that it can be treated with Epsom salts. However, there are two problems with hard water:
1) It has an alkaline pH (pH > 7); and
2) The high concentration of calcium ions in hard water can inhibit the uptake of magnesium.
The part I copied into my previous post was about treating hard water to avert a possible magnesium deficiency, not to lower the pH of the hard water.
So use only lemon juice or vinegar, not Epsom salts for the pH problem.
If you want to add Epsom salts once in a while for magnesium, that's your call. I, myself, don't like to add anything extra unless I have to.
The way to spot a magnesium deficiency is when your plant's leaves start to curl up. When that happens, they're praying for magnesium.
Anyway, hope that clears up the misinformation in my previous post.
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QueenTokelove
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Grrant, thanks for clearing that up for me. I guess I am going to have to give some more lemon juice because I noticed another leaf with those spots. But I think I am also going to give a little salt too because it may just be a mg def, better safe than sorry. None of the other plants seem to be affected by whatever is going on. And it is still with the plant I had over watered. But since then the leaves have perked back up, not drooping at all just those damn spots. It seems that the foliar feeding has also stopped the yellowing, can't remember if you or Mark told me about feeding but whoever did, thanks because that has helped a lot.
I am trying to scrounge around for some bigger containers for 3 of the plants but I am also thinking in doing this, I am going to have to move at least 2 of them to the flowering area. I really don't want to do it yet but I don't see where I have a choice because when I transplant those 3, I am not gonna have room again. It also means that the plants that I decide to move isn't going to be as tall as the ones I have flowering now so I guess smaller plant means smaller yield. What to do, what to do? Room temp is 76 and humidity is 56.
I had asked this before but got no reply so I will ask again. When it comes to the clones when should I take the lid/dome off of them? I have seen roots each plant has about 4 or 5 roots at the bottom of container, not root bound at all.
Grrant, thanks for clearing that up for me. I guess I am going to have to give some more lemon juice because I noticed another leaf with those spots. But I think I am also going to give a little salt too because it may just be a mg def, better safe than sorry. None of the other plants seem to be affected by whatever is going on. And it is still with the plant I had over watered. But since then the leaves have perked back up, not drooping at all just those damn spots. It seems that the foliar feeding has also stopped the yellowing, can't remember if you or Mark told me about feeding but whoever did, thanks because that has helped a lot.
I am trying to scrounge around for some bigger containers for 3 of the plants but I am also thinking in doing this, I am going to have to move at least 2 of them to the flowering area. I really don't want to do it yet but I don't see where I have a choice because when I transplant those 3, I am not gonna have room again. It also means that the plants that I decide to move isn't going to be as tall as the ones I have flowering now so I guess smaller plant means smaller yield. What to do, what to do? Room temp is 76 and humidity is 56.
I had asked this before but got no reply so I will ask again. When it comes to the clones when should I take the lid/dome off of them? I have seen roots each plant has about 4 or 5 roots at the bottom of container, not root bound at all.
ggrant
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Hey QTL,
I think it's a good idea to add CalMag. I had a magnesium deficiency and it was hard to get rid of.
I'm no clone expert, but I recall reading that it's a good idea to slowly introduce your clones to a "normal" environment. Take the lid off for a couple of hours a day (or leave it partially open) so the clones get acclimatized to a "drier" climate.
If they don't suffer any adverse reaction, extend the time until they're spending full time without the dome.
Also, foliar feeding (that was my suggestion) works great for clones. It also helps them with the transition from dome to open air. In the dome, the roots don't have to provide all the moisture to the leaves as the high humidity ensures they will get enough moisture. Without the dome, they have to rely exlusively on their root system. That's why I suggest foliar feeding for the clones. They will not only be able to get some of their nutrients from the spray, but they will also get moisture as well.
Hey QTL,
I think it's a good idea to add CalMag. I had a magnesium deficiency and it was hard to get rid of.
I'm no clone expert, but I recall reading that it's a good idea to slowly introduce your clones to a "normal" environment. Take the lid off for a couple of hours a day (or leave it partially open) so the clones get acclimatized to a "drier" climate.
If they don't suffer any adverse reaction, extend the time until they're spending full time without the dome.
Also, foliar feeding (that was my suggestion) works great for clones. It also helps them with the transition from dome to open air. In the dome, the roots don't have to provide all the moisture to the leaves as the high humidity ensures they will get enough moisture. Without the dome, they have to rely exlusively on their root system. That's why I suggest foliar feeding for the clones. They will not only be able to get some of their nutrients from the spray, but they will also get moisture as well.
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QueenTokelove
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Uh, too late about the clones, I took the dome off. Lights are on now and they seem to be doing ok w/o the dome. I still have the heating pad underneath them. I have been spraying them though. About CalMag, what is it and where do I get it? I have had people mention this stuff before just don't know where to get it from. Wonders if Blue Planet Nutrients has anything like this.
I am thinking that may be what it is except that the spots are not really brown but a kinda bright orangish??? I have spotted two more leaves that have those spots on it, on the same plant. The other one seems to have gotten better.
mini-update I guess...room temp is at 74 and humidity is at 53. Last night, I transplanted 3 plants, the lemon skunk, big bang, and a bag seed. The lights got raised a little bit, don't have much more room to raise them anymore. So, the next plant that gets close to the lights again will have to be moved to the flowering area.
Uh, too late about the clones, I took the dome off. Lights are on now and they seem to be doing ok w/o the dome. I still have the heating pad underneath them. I have been spraying them though. About CalMag, what is it and where do I get it? I have had people mention this stuff before just don't know where to get it from. Wonders if Blue Planet Nutrients has anything like this.
I am thinking that may be what it is except that the spots are not really brown but a kinda bright orangish??? I have spotted two more leaves that have those spots on it, on the same plant. The other one seems to have gotten better.
mini-update I guess...room temp is at 74 and humidity is at 53. Last night, I transplanted 3 plants, the lemon skunk, big bang, and a bag seed. The lights got raised a little bit, don't have much more room to raise them anymore. So, the next plant that gets close to the lights again will have to be moved to the flowering area.
ggrant
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Re: Queen's Sophmore Grow F - Lemon Skunk - Big Bang - Along With Some Bag Seed Sprou
Hey QTL,
QTL Said:
CalMag is a generic term for a combination of calcium and magnesium salts. Unless you like to spend a lot of money, use Epsom Salts. Go to your local drugstore and buy the stuff that you put in your bath.
Epsom Salts is just magensium sulfate. It doesn't have the calcium that CalMag has, but you're probably getting more that enough if you have hard water.
It may seem weird to use bath salts on your plants, but it works. The only kind I could find was scented, so when I use it, my plants smell like Eucalyptus, LOL!
In fact, I would recommend Epsom Salts over CalMag, because calcium (!) can cause nutrient lockout and may interfere with the proper absorption of magnesium.
To use, add 1 tablesppon per gallon.
In case you're interested, the skinny on magnesium is:
By the way, do you use Blackstrap Molasses as part of your nutrient mixture? If you don't run, don't walk to your health food store and buy some. You can also find it in larger supermarkets that are "health-conscious." Make sure you buy the unsulphured kind. The sulphured kind won't kill you or your plants, but why add something you don't need.
Blackstrap molasses if the stuff they get when they scrape the bottom of the distilling barrels where molasses is made. It has tons of trace minerals (including magnesium) and is a great supplement for your plants. Add one teaspoon per gallon to your regular nutrient mix when you fertilize.
Hey QTL,
QTL Said:
CalMag is a generic term for a combination of calcium and magnesium salts. Unless you like to spend a lot of money, use Epsom Salts. Go to your local drugstore and buy the stuff that you put in your bath.
Epsom Salts is just magensium sulfate. It doesn't have the calcium that CalMag has, but you're probably getting more that enough if you have hard water.
It may seem weird to use bath salts on your plants, but it works. The only kind I could find was scented, so when I use it, my plants smell like Eucalyptus, LOL!
In fact, I would recommend Epsom Salts over CalMag, because calcium (!) can cause nutrient lockout and may interfere with the proper absorption of magnesium.
To use, add 1 tablesppon per gallon.
In case you're interested, the skinny on magnesium is:
By the way, do you use Blackstrap Molasses as part of your nutrient mixture? If you don't run, don't walk to your health food store and buy some. You can also find it in larger supermarkets that are "health-conscious." Make sure you buy the unsulphured kind. The sulphured kind won't kill you or your plants, but why add something you don't need.
Blackstrap molasses if the stuff they get when they scrape the bottom of the distilling barrels where molasses is made. It has tons of trace minerals (including magnesium) and is a great supplement for your plants. Add one teaspoon per gallon to your regular nutrient mix when you fertilize.
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QueenTokelove
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Re: Queen's Sophmore Grow F - Lemon Skunk - Big Bang - Along With Some Bag Seed Sprou
Ggrant, shoot I have plenty of epsom salt...so I should just use that? And I do have unsulfured molasses just not blackstrap. So you're saying I can add this to their jug of nutes? Just wondering how I would mix that together with the nutes...1 tsp of molasses per gallon added to gallon with nutes, and then add tsp of salt ok, just me making it more difficult than it needs to be. I will try this when I give them nutes next. I just wanna make sure it is safe to give them all this mixed together at once.
Ggrant, shoot I have plenty of epsom salt...so I should just use that? And I do have unsulfured molasses just not blackstrap. So you're saying I can add this to their jug of nutes? Just wondering how I would mix that together with the nutes...1 tsp of molasses per gallon added to gallon with nutes, and then add tsp of salt ok, just me making it more difficult than it needs to be. I will try this when I give them nutes next. I just wanna make sure it is safe to give them all this mixed together at once.
Mark Green
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You can mix them together. It is easer to mix molasses in warm water, plus molasses has cal. and mag. in it. Not a ton but some...
You can mix them together. It is easer to mix molasses in warm water, plus molasses has cal. and mag. in it. Not a ton but some...
ggrant
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QTL,
As Mark said, mix them all up. Regular molasses if fine. I bought some regular when I started, but then got some blackstrap when I had a chance.
Use the molasses with every fertilization!
By the way, it's one tablespoon Epsom salts per gallon, not one teaspoon.
QTL,
As Mark said, mix them all up. Regular molasses if fine. I bought some regular when I started, but then got some blackstrap when I had a chance.
Use the molasses with every fertilization!
By the way, it's one tablespoon Epsom salts per gallon, not one teaspoon.
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QueenTokelove
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Thanks for catching that typo, Ggrant. Coco is still a bit moist so I will check again tomorrow to see if it has dried out some. It will also be time for them to get nutes too. So, I should do this for how long? Or do it until the problem resolves itself?
Thanks for catching that typo, Ggrant. Coco is still a bit moist so I will check again tomorrow to see if it has dried out some. It will also be time for them to get nutes too. So, I should do this for how long? Or do it until the problem resolves itself?
miwa
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i gave mine some molasses today and Grant...if my girls complain i will be
at your door...
i gave mine some molasses today and Grant...if my girls complain i will be
at your door...
Evo-Rat-93
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dont know about coco and molasses?
dont know about coco and molasses?