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Queen's Sophmore Grow F - Lemon Skunk - Big Bang - Along With Some Bag Seed Sprouts
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ggrant
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All I've read says that under ideal conditions one should be able to root a clone in 11 - 13 days. That is the minimum rooting periods as far as I know.
It sounds like your troubled plants are having a nitrogen deficiency. Are these the ones that were overwatered?
Hopefully when you post the pictures, we can get a better idea of what's wrong.
All I've read says that under ideal conditions one should be able to root a clone in 11 - 13 days. That is the minimum rooting periods as far as I know.
It sounds like your troubled plants are having a nitrogen deficiency. Are these the ones that were overwatered?
Hopefully when you post the pictures, we can get a better idea of what's wrong.
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QueenTokelove
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Hmm, well I guess I will go with that. Though there is one that I see a root or two peeking down at the bottom. Yes, I was thinking that too, will giving more nutes help or should I flush? I don't have anything to check my ph at the moment. One of them was the one that got over watered and now there's a second one. The over watered one has started to perk up a bit believe it or not, but now this. Both have also had their roots trimmed recently too along with two others. The others are doing fine though. Could my trimming have caused this maybe? They were all root bound. Right now they're all sleeping so I will post some pics after 5 when they awaken.
Hmm, well I guess I will go with that. Though there is one that I see a root or two peeking down at the bottom. Yes, I was thinking that too, will giving more nutes help or should I flush? I don't have anything to check my ph at the moment. One of them was the one that got over watered and now there's a second one. The over watered one has started to perk up a bit believe it or not, but now this. Both have also had their roots trimmed recently too along with two others. The others are doing fine though. Could my trimming have caused this maybe? They were all root bound. Right now they're all sleeping so I will post some pics after 5 when they awaken.
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QueenTokelove
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Here are the pics of the issues I am having as well as pics of all the plants....Lemon skunk is now 39 days old and big bang is 32 days old...current temp is 75 and rh is 53. Plan on feeding some nutes a little later...
and a pic of the gang...
Here are the pics of the issues I am having as well as pics of all the plants....Lemon skunk is now 39 days old and big bang is 32 days old...current temp is 75 and rh is 53. Plan on feeding some nutes a little later...
and a pic of the gang...
Re: Queen's Sophmore Grow F - Lemon Skunk - Big Bang - Along With Some Bag Seed Sprou
hmmm dam queen , where did those wierds dots came from ? =S hope is nothing to worry about
hmmm dam queen , where did those wierds dots came from ? =S hope is nothing to worry about
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QueenTokelove
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I am not sure. I am thinking it might be a mag def or a ph issue which I can't check at the moment because I don't have a meter. So, if it should be a ph issue I don't know whether to lower it or raise it...or even if I should flush them? I am going to give nutes in a few minutes...Hopefully someone will come and be able to tell me what the devil is going on.... But I am not even complaining because in all honesty this grow has been running rather smoothly with minor issues.
I am not sure. I am thinking it might be a mag def or a ph issue which I can't check at the moment because I don't have a meter. So, if it should be a ph issue I don't know whether to lower it or raise it...or even if I should flush them? I am going to give nutes in a few minutes...Hopefully someone will come and be able to tell me what the devil is going on.... But I am not even complaining because in all honesty this grow has been running rather smoothly with minor issues.
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QueenTokelove
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Just got done feeding..and when I got to the clones, they now have ROOTS!!! Each one seems to have 5 or 6 roots at the bottom. It has been 10 days. So now can I take the dome off of them? The lemon skunk and big bang roots are also starting to show roots at the bottom of their containers. I'll check them again in a few days and prolly transfer to something else. Gonna have to get me some more coco. I am on my last brick. How long does coco last before you need more?
Just got done feeding..and when I got to the clones, they now have ROOTS!!! Each one seems to have 5 or 6 roots at the bottom. It has been 10 days. So now can I take the dome off of them? The lemon skunk and big bang roots are also starting to show roots at the bottom of their containers. I'll check them again in a few days and prolly transfer to something else. Gonna have to get me some more coco. I am on my last brick. How long does coco last before you need more?
ggrant
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Queenie,
This is a phosphorous deficiency, perhaps as well as a nitrogen deficiency, and maybe the beginning of a magnesium deficency.
Look at these pictures:
Are these the plants that have been suffering from being overwatered?
If they are, flushing might not work. If there is no problem with overwatering, then definitely flush them.
Regardless, the quickest and best treatment is foliar feeding:
To do this mix up a 1/3 strength nutrient solution of whatever you use for vegetative fertilization (don't add anything like molasses, just the nutrient mix).
Put this in an aerosol spray bottle and spray directly onto the leaves of the entire plant (not just the affected ones). Do this several times a day. Make sure your lights are not too close to the plants when you do this until the nutrient spray has been absorbed.
Foliar feeding is great for the two following conditions:
1) Oeverwatering - you don't want to add more water to the soil;
2) Mineral lockout - a nutrient imbalance is preventing the absorption of certain minerals by the roots.
Note: foliar feeding is not only for sick plants. It is great on clones. I've been using it on this little lady since she was rooted (remember the clones that took 3 weeks to root?):
Queenie,
This is a phosphorous deficiency, perhaps as well as a nitrogen deficiency, and maybe the beginning of a magnesium deficency.
Look at these pictures:
Phosphorus Deficiency
Nitrogen Deficiency
Magnesium Deficiency
Nitrogen Deficiency
Magnesium Deficiency
Are these the plants that have been suffering from being overwatered?
If they are, flushing might not work. If there is no problem with overwatering, then definitely flush them.
Regardless, the quickest and best treatment is foliar feeding:
To do this mix up a 1/3 strength nutrient solution of whatever you use for vegetative fertilization (don't add anything like molasses, just the nutrient mix).
Put this in an aerosol spray bottle and spray directly onto the leaves of the entire plant (not just the affected ones). Do this several times a day. Make sure your lights are not too close to the plants when you do this until the nutrient spray has been absorbed.
Foliar feeding is great for the two following conditions:
1) Oeverwatering - you don't want to add more water to the soil;
2) Mineral lockout - a nutrient imbalance is preventing the absorption of certain minerals by the roots.
Note: foliar feeding is not only for sick plants. It is great on clones. I've been using it on this little lady since she was rooted (remember the clones that took 3 weeks to root?):
Big Sister Clone
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QueenTokelove
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Re: Queen's Sophmore Grow F - Lemon Skunk - Big Bang - Along With Some Bag Seed Sprou
Grrant-- Only one of them was over watered, the other one wasn't. I've never had a phosphurus defieciency before. What can be done about this? I'll also look in my grow bible to see what I can find there. I did give them nutes earlier tonight to see if it helps with the N deficiency. I also did the foliar feeding, I hope it wasn't too much. I will wait til a few hours before lights out to spray again. How long do I do this for? And I also sprayed the others.
Grrant-- Only one of them was over watered, the other one wasn't. I've never had a phosphurus defieciency before. What can be done about this? I'll also look in my grow bible to see what I can find there. I did give them nutes earlier tonight to see if it helps with the N deficiency. I also did the foliar feeding, I hope it wasn't too much. I will wait til a few hours before lights out to spray again. How long do I do this for? And I also sprayed the others.
Mark Green
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First they look great - the spots... If the ph is off you might have nute lock out, thus causing strange spots. I have also gotten spots like those from letting the pots dry all the way out for to long. Actualy had one fan leaf do that the last time I took clones. I let the pots dry out a tad before taking cuttings, well I let it go for an extra day and oops to long...
I know you can find fairly cheap digital ph meters on eBay. $20 or so, I have one, came from Hong Kong it works but I now use it as a back up. I love the one I use now but it was $150.
First they look great - the spots... If the ph is off you might have nute lock out, thus causing strange spots. I have also gotten spots like those from letting the pots dry all the way out for to long. Actualy had one fan leaf do that the last time I took clones. I let the pots dry out a tad before taking cuttings, well I let it go for an extra day and oops to long...
I know you can find fairly cheap digital ph meters on eBay. $20 or so, I have one, came from Hong Kong it works but I now use it as a back up. I love the one I use now but it was $150.
ggrant
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I've never had a phosphorus deficiency either, QTL, so I'm not absolutely positive that's what it is.
Usually when things get this bad, it's best to flush the plants. Use lots of water to get most of the junk out. Don't just put enough water in so that a little leaks out. Use of lot of water.
Sometimes you see posts that say things like "wait for 50% runoff." This calls for more than that. Don't worry, this won't hurt your plants. In nature, there are heavy rainstorms all the time. That's the way Nature does its flushes.
After you do this, make up a 50% nutrient solution (add molasses if you use it). If you have any plant tonic like
or something like that, put it in, too. (Thrive Alive B-1 is made by TechnaFlora and is 100% organic).
Use this to soak the plants again. The reason you want to do the flush is to get rid of mineral salts that are bound to the roots (that's why you need to use lots of water) and are likely preventing nutrient uptake.
Continue with the foliar treatment as well. As I mentioned, foliar feeding doesn't harm plants at all. You can't get nutrient lockout in the leaves - it's only the roots where this can happen.
By the way, a good analogy with humans is
Plants -------------------Humans
Watering the roots ------- Eating and drinking orally
Foliar feeding--------------Intravenous drip
If you're doing this with any plants that have been overwatered and they are still listless, use the hydrogen peroxide as well, although I would think that the flush would "reset" everything.
Let me know how this works and post some pictures when you can.
I've never had a phosphorus deficiency either, QTL, so I'm not absolutely positive that's what it is.
Usually when things get this bad, it's best to flush the plants. Use lots of water to get most of the junk out. Don't just put enough water in so that a little leaks out. Use of lot of water.
Sometimes you see posts that say things like "wait for 50% runoff." This calls for more than that. Don't worry, this won't hurt your plants. In nature, there are heavy rainstorms all the time. That's the way Nature does its flushes.
After you do this, make up a 50% nutrient solution (add molasses if you use it). If you have any plant tonic like
Thrive Alive B-1
or something like that, put it in, too. (Thrive Alive B-1 is made by TechnaFlora and is 100% organic).
Use this to soak the plants again. The reason you want to do the flush is to get rid of mineral salts that are bound to the roots (that's why you need to use lots of water) and are likely preventing nutrient uptake.
Continue with the foliar treatment as well. As I mentioned, foliar feeding doesn't harm plants at all. You can't get nutrient lockout in the leaves - it's only the roots where this can happen.
By the way, a good analogy with humans is
Plants -------------------Humans
Watering the roots ------- Eating and drinking orally
Foliar feeding--------------Intravenous drip
If you're doing this with any plants that have been overwatered and they are still listless, use the hydrogen peroxide as well, although I would think that the flush would "reset" everything.
Let me know how this works and post some pictures when you can.
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QueenTokelove
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Ggrant---Should I wait a day or so since I just gave them nutes earlier? I haven't gotten to my bible yet to see about it being P. So will flushing bring ph down? I guess there is nothing I can do about that until I get a meter. I had also given the one plant the peroxide mix earlier with feeding.
Ggrant---Should I wait a day or so since I just gave them nutes earlier? I haven't gotten to my bible yet to see about it being P. So will flushing bring ph down? I guess there is nothing I can do about that until I get a meter. I had also given the one plant the peroxide mix earlier with feeding.
ggrant
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Do it now Q!
The fact that you gave them nutes earlier just makes the problem worse. The roots are likely bound with various mineral salts. Any additional nutrients will not get absorbed by the roots, but rather contribute to the problem by creating additional salts.
You want to remove ALL the nutrients that are currently in the soil because most of them are bound in salts which are preventing the roots from utilizing the nutrients that are there.
Think of your plant's pot as a stewpot. You start off with a nice stew, then when it gets low, add more meat, maybe some vegetables. You can keep doing this for a while but, if you're not careful, the stew may go rancid.
So what do you do? Empty the pot, wash it out and start all over.
So what I recommend is:
1) Flush the affected plants with lots of water.
2) Immediately fertilize with 1/2 strength solution (pour in enough so that it runs out the bottom. You're replacing all the plain water that's remained from the flush with the nutrient bath. If your pH is out of whack, add a corrective measure to the nutrient bath as well (see below).
You mentioned that you want to bring the pH down. I've seen you talk about pH a few times, but didn't pay much attention. I know you don't have a pH meter (do you have those little strips that turn color for testing? even if they're not super accurate, they should at least tell you whether you soil is acidic (ph < 7) or alkaline (ph > 7).
Here's some info on soil additions to adjust pH:
The above are good for long term pH control. To fix an immediate pH problem, do the following:
The one I would use to lower pH is
It's recommended not to go crazy and try to lower the pH too fast. Try adding 1 ml/L (1 tsp / gallon) of freshly squezed lemon juice to your nutrient bath.
Just kidding about the freshly squeezed - RealLemon is fine.
Do it now Q!
The fact that you gave them nutes earlier just makes the problem worse. The roots are likely bound with various mineral salts. Any additional nutrients will not get absorbed by the roots, but rather contribute to the problem by creating additional salts.
You want to remove ALL the nutrients that are currently in the soil because most of them are bound in salts which are preventing the roots from utilizing the nutrients that are there.
Think of your plant's pot as a stewpot. You start off with a nice stew, then when it gets low, add more meat, maybe some vegetables. You can keep doing this for a while but, if you're not careful, the stew may go rancid.
So what do you do? Empty the pot, wash it out and start all over.
So what I recommend is:
1) Flush the affected plants with lots of water.
2) Immediately fertilize with 1/2 strength solution (pour in enough so that it runs out the bottom. You're replacing all the plain water that's remained from the flush with the nutrient bath. If your pH is out of whack, add a corrective measure to the nutrient bath as well (see below).
You mentioned that you want to bring the pH down. I've seen you talk about pH a few times, but didn't pay much attention. I know you don't have a pH meter (do you have those little strips that turn color for testing? even if they're not super accurate, they should at least tell you whether you soil is acidic (ph < 7) or alkaline (ph > 7).
Here's some info on soil additions to adjust pH:
The above are good for long term pH control. To fix an immediate pH problem, do the following:
The one I would use to lower pH is
It's recommended not to go crazy and try to lower the pH too fast. Try adding 1 ml/L (1 tsp / gallon) of freshly squezed lemon juice to your nutrient bath.
Just kidding about the freshly squeezed - RealLemon is fine.
miwa
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Great info grant...i bookmarked this page...
Great info grant...i bookmarked this page...
ggrant
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Miwa said:
Wow! I consider than an honor, man!
Miwa said:
Wow! I consider than an honor, man!
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QueenTokelove
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Re: Queen's Sophmore Grow F - Lemon Skunk - Big Bang - Along With Some Bag Seed Sprou
Grrant, I did just what you said and gave them a good flush until all I saw was a clear run off. I gave them nutes along with some lemon juice I had mixed with water. Both are sitting in the tub draining.... I had also foliar feeding the other plants since coco is still moist. Room temp is 76 and humidity is at 47. None of the other plants seem to have what the other two had so I didn't flush them.
So now it's sit back, wait to see what happens next....
Grrant, I did just what you said and gave them a good flush until all I saw was a clear run off. I gave them nutes along with some lemon juice I had mixed with water. Both are sitting in the tub draining.... I had also foliar feeding the other plants since coco is still moist. Room temp is 76 and humidity is at 47. None of the other plants seem to have what the other two had so I didn't flush them.
So now it's sit back, wait to see what happens next....
miwa
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I got the same thing going on with my clone i'm LSTing...you can see it on my journal..i didn't flush i leeched with ro water..then i leached again with a weak solution of nutes--lemon juice--mixed with ro water...Leaching is placing pot in container of water...the pot will float until water level in pot is same as level in container...let soak 5 or 10 min...then let drain
I got the same thing going on with my clone i'm LSTing...you can see it on my journal..i didn't flush i leeched with ro water..then i leached again with a weak solution of nutes--lemon juice--mixed with ro water...Leaching is placing pot in container of water...the pot will float until water level in pot is same as level in container...let soak 5 or 10 min...then let drain
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QueenTokelove
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And what results are you getting from doing this? Does it seem to help at all?
And what results are you getting from doing this? Does it seem to help at all?
ggrant
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QTL,
I took a dose of my own medicine! I just talked to my sensei, a master grower and he told me my clones were pale and that a flush would help. When I mentioned pH, he said that I have "hard" water (pH > 7) and that I would get a better yield with a lower pH. I, too, don't have a pH meter.
So I flushed all my plants (two clones and a 3 week old plant) with lots of water, then made up my regular nutrient batch. Also added Thrive Alive B-1 as well as lemon juice - 1 tsp per gallon.
Just finished about an hour ago. I will post results (unless they all die).
Let me know how your gals react.
QTL,
I took a dose of my own medicine! I just talked to my sensei, a master grower and he told me my clones were pale and that a flush would help. When I mentioned pH, he said that I have "hard" water (pH > 7) and that I would get a better yield with a lower pH. I, too, don't have a pH meter.
So I flushed all my plants (two clones and a 3 week old plant) with lots of water, then made up my regular nutrient batch. Also added Thrive Alive B-1 as well as lemon juice - 1 tsp per gallon.
Just finished about an hour ago. I will post results (unless they all die).
Let me know how your gals react.
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QueenTokelove
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I most certainly will...So how do you get by without a meter? Someone on here did a check on my water and said it was decent. You would have to go back to the beginning of my other thread I think. It was a lot of stuff coming out at first, kinda dark brown looking. Kept flushing til it was clear. Let sit in the tub for about 45 minutes then put back under the lights.
I most certainly will...So how do you get by without a meter? Someone on here did a check on my water and said it was decent. You would have to go back to the beginning of my other thread I think. It was a lot of stuff coming out at first, kinda dark brown looking. Kept flushing til it was clear. Let sit in the tub for about 45 minutes then put back under the lights.
