Just trim the actual pistols now the node.
I did a lot of monsters for a while.
It's fun watching the funky shit they do.
Stay safe
Bill
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I did a lot of monsters for a while.
It's fun watching the funky shit they do.
Stay safe
Bill
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Basically give her a flat top, military style?Just trim the actual pistols now the node.
I did a lot of monsters for a while.
It's fun watching the funky shit they do.
Stay safe
Bill
Hey brother,
I hope you don't mind me quoting and tagging @FelipeBlu in over here to help answer your question? I truly didn't want to come across as rude or confuse the OP.
To be honest I don't run them above 1200PPM (x5 scale). I've found at that PPM it provides plenty, and I get good healthy growth still. But that doesn't really answer your question, and I think FelipeBlu might be able to answer it with a much more accurate answer then myself.
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Absolutely not, appreciate it actually!Hey brother,
I hope you don't mind me quoting and tagging @FelipeBlu in over here to help answer your question? I truly didn't want to come across as rude or confuse the OP.
To be honest I don't run them above 1200PPM (x5 scale). I've found at that PPM it provides plenty, and I get good healthy growth still. But that doesn't really answer your question, and I think FelipeBlu might be able to answer it with a much more accurate answer then myself.
My understanding is that too much nutrients leads to nute lock-out, and the mentioned ppm translates to a value that is well above the recommended value in flower that I find for various nutrient lines that work for both hydro and soil.
For hydro, advised flowering EC is between 1.4 and 2.2
For soil, that is 1.3 and 1.7
Taking this chart:
I would think that if you are pushing an EC of 2.6, you would have to be blasting her with a small sun and supply CO2.
The interesting part is that in preflower, the recommended EC is much higher, and in the ripening phase as well. As I'm just following the label till I know what the hell I'm doing, but I did read about the nutrient lockout table where if you have too much of x, y wont be uptaken, etc. Given the not knowing what the hell I am doing, I cant really get to an answer.
Now, I have to admit, I didnt check all nutrient lines, and Im working on the assumption that EC is a generic thing that remains stable across nutrient lines in terms of min-max, with only slight deviations between the lines. This checked out between a few nutrient lines, the rest talk about ml/l only, but I could verify the EC value of that as I still have a line left from my soil adventures..
As the plant shown was showing deficiencies, and the ppm seemed rather high, I went here with my thoughts, vs supplying even more (I realize that assumes no imbalance in his recipi .. recipy .. recepi ? fuck it, mix.):
Then again, the effect that would likely show first would be nute burn?
Just trying to understand the info I found so far, and bringing that back in line with my understanding of EC
Thanks for any effort taken, dont feel obliged. I read your pH thing, some interesting parts there .. just had my own battle with that where keeping it anally at 5.8 is not a wise choice 
Will read your link again at a later point, too baked to digest it properly atm Thanks again for stopping by!
I do believe you are correct with the line of thought that after a certain point of saturation, ratios can become skewed.
Worse part is that I know I've read the answer to that before
, and just can't recall the specifics of it. My gut says you're on the right track regarding too high of a PPM/EC causing issues, depending on the nutrient line and makeup.
Worse part is that I know I've read the answer to that before
, and just can't recall the specifics of it. My gut says you're on the right track regarding too high of a PPM/EC causing issues, depending on the nutrient line and makeup.To me that'd be a tree grown in perfect conditions
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I think this might be a great place to actually discuss some stuff.. maybe make this an interesting journal in the process
The TL;DR: 24h - 72h dark period is bro science according to Dr. Bruce Bugbee, 48h lights before harvest is where its at. According to science.
Dark period: doesnt make sense; there is no evidence, and the theory, that trichomes and terpenes s are formed at night, as not true. They are formed during photo synthesis from sugars, using energy.
Instead of 24h to 72h of dark, work on perhaps 48h of light, but prevent the tent becoming hot so the terpenes dont evaporate as much. Too cold isnt good either, as that would prevent creating new ones, while just preserving whats there. People are experimenting with 48h of light right now instead of dark while keeping temps on low end.
What are your thoughts on this? I think this makes sense personally.
The TL;DR: 24h - 72h dark period is bro science according to Dr. Bruce Bugbee, 48h lights before harvest is where its at. According to science.
Dark period: doesnt make sense; there is no evidence, and the theory, that trichomes and terpenes s are formed at night, as not true. They are formed during photo synthesis from sugars, using energy.
Instead of 24h to 72h of dark, work on perhaps 48h of light, but prevent the tent becoming hot so the terpenes dont evaporate as much. Too cold isnt good either, as that would prevent creating new ones, while just preserving whats there. People are experimenting with 48h of light right now instead of dark while keeping temps on low end.
What are your thoughts on this? I think this makes sense personally.
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So, small little update here on the clones, they all look good, and I dunked 2 more WiFi clones in there after doing some work yesterday. Not on the pics yet, as they move in after them. They will shine on d3, sharing a netpot
Clone ages in pic description.
Clone ages in pic description.
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SSH can get her own home by now, except that I need to clear some space first. Not sure where I will be leaving WiFi and JH once they rooted. Or the extra ones .. not even sure why I took the extra WiFi's to the cloner .. I hate wasting them when they look nice .. now find someone that wants them
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Forgot to take a picture here .. still looks the same more or less... SSH has a good root system already, might put her in her own tub today. WiFi doesnt have roots coming out the netpot yet, but her leaves suggest she is rooting as well.
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yesterdays update:
SSH needs to move to her own home, the rest is looking good, WiFi should be about rooted now as well, not visible yet yesterday.
SSH needs to move to her own home, the rest is looking good, WiFi should be about rooted now as well, not visible yet yesterday.
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Small update here, weekend was gone too fast, will have to transplant that SSH soon before the WiFi starts rooting and entangling
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Quick update here, moved the SSH to her own tub, 'potted' the WiFi's and rearranged stuff.
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The WiFi in the cloner has roots coming through now as well .. couple more days to her own tub.
No extra pic of the clones, forgot, but I did take 2 from the SSH that is now vegging.
No extra pic of the clones, forgot, but I did take 2 from the SSH that is now vegging.
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Exciting times here .. the SSH is revegging already, before I decided on a haircut or not as per Bill's suggestion.
The WiFi in the middle has roots coming through the netpot, as does one of the Jack Herer's.
I will need more space
The WiFi in the middle has roots coming through the netpot, as does one of the Jack Herer's.
I will need more space
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The two thinner stemmed JH's have rooted and are looking good. The third doesnt seem to have rooted yet, and I'm not entirely sure if she will, but she looks good, so who knows.
The WiFi in the center has rooted and the two others should not be far behind. Now find new owners
The SSH looked good, but her roots were a mess. I tried to clean that up a little by rinsing, and hope it wont get worse.
I cant find Oxine over here. Would this be similar?
The WiFi in the center has rooted and the two others should not be far behind. Now find new owners
The SSH looked good, but her roots were a mess. I tried to clean that up a little by rinsing, and hope it wont get worse.
I cant find Oxine over here. Would this be similar?
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If I'd have to guess, I have 1 JH that isnt rooting. The others have all rooted, the 2 10d WiFi's show the signs but havent shown their roots yet. The JH in the middle, top row .. thats a gonner I think.
The SSH is looking good, her roots are looking like the usual mess. Anybody any feedback on the post above and the water treatment stuff?
The SSH is looking good, her roots are looking like the usual mess. Anybody any feedback on the post above and the water treatment stuff?
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SSH is looking good I'd say. Had to pH- the res quite a bit, always happens after res change .. need to find something to put in my res that is available here. Oxine isnt.
Had to pH+ the cloner but otherwise just checked roots. The center JH is still not showing roots, tho the leaf is suggesting she might be. The 2 WiFi's at the right are not yet showing roots. I just dunked them in without rooting hormone, so not expecting roots there yet.
Had to pH+ the cloner but otherwise just checked roots. The center JH is still not showing roots, tho the leaf is suggesting she might be. The 2 WiFi's at the right are not yet showing roots. I just dunked them in without rooting hormone, so not expecting roots there yet.
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Just a quick update
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What to say, all doing good here. The center JH has rooted as well now. Only the 2 WiFi's left.
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Rather quick follow-up. Picture moment only, res values and such are a thing for later in the day.
The SSH is doing great, I might flux her given the amount of time left before she goes to a tent.
Thoughts?
As for the full cloner: 2 of those will remain. The Center WiFi and the top left JH. The rest are give aways or compost.
My theory is bust, they all rooted equally fast. I think I just had unclean utensils on the rotting one a round before. Or the SSH is a little more picky. Not sure.
The SSH is doing great, I might flux her given the amount of time left before she goes to a tent.
Thoughts?
As for the full cloner: 2 of those will remain. The Center WiFi and the top left JH. The rest are give aways or compost.
My theory is bust, they all rooted equally fast. I think I just had unclean utensils on the rotting one a round before. Or the SSH is a little more picky. Not sure.