PK Perpetual Grow Journal 2020

Rexer said:
In all honesty PK - I'm going to keep quiet, I think I'm not thinking straight today. Lovely side effect of my condition, I apologize. Bit since you asked...

Normally when the plant is leaching back to my knowledge it means there's an issue to be dealt with. It's kinda like reading leaves in soil, except hydro you get the quicker edition via roots.

Take what I'm saying in connection with my 1st paragraph. But, I'm not sure if you have a lock out from the too much Epsom salt, or what's happening. Generally, when I see a rise in my PPM, I dilute down a bit or res change. Once I see the water and PPM lowering then I raise ppm/EC.

I'm only about to do my 2nd harvest. You got folks here many more ahead of me, I'd wait for them.

Also, if you know your going to be out for a day and your PH will rise past 6.5 in your absence, go ahead and reset to 5.8. Not doing a full PH swing from 5.8 to 6.5 will have less harm then letting itgo past 6.5. Again, as you know I'm not overly experienced so take what I say to consideration, not to heart.
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i don't take i tto hearth bro, we all try to help and give out information of what we know.
I am trying to experiment and learn this method.

To my understanding leaching meant the same as you mentioned, i'm not sure in hydroponic as i cant find much on google. I've set diluted my water so its at 90ppm with ph 5.8
I will be leaving to work soon so will see how things go. Since its leaching the ppm will rise which will rise the ph. so far i've seen the ph sit at 6.5 and i've not seen any issues on the new growth. will see how things are when i return today.
 
One thing i can't put my head around is the Z9.
it says to do all your mix of ph and nutrient and then add z9 a+b

What happens when the next day i add ph to adjust it. Or down the road when i add more nutrient.
That is all putting additives in after z9, is that okay?
 
PK said:
i thought it meant if you are constantly cloning plants :laughtwo: :laughtwo:


ya, same here in the beginning. I had the water level at half of the bucket with no air stone. It did have a pump to push the water to the clay pibbles and get the clone wet. However, everytime i needed to do water change i had to pick up the lid which caused the line and pibbles to move and damage roots.

The difference between ours is that you do everything to your fish tank which is your reservoir VS i have to move the res
I don't have CO2 or the diffuser for outside. My co2 runs in my fish tank and i don't use the fish tank water. at least for this grow.
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I completely understand about tak iij ng the lid off. Well I dont. I add water when the water drops below my line. I've not changed my water in my res but once. that was when my plants got sick. And then I vacuumed the water and only took half out and replaced it with new. Since I've moved to buckets I've never opened them. I do pull water from my fish tank to fill my water. And some times I hook them all up together, and just move water around the room.
 
Joshualuck said:
I completely understand about tak iij ng the lid off. Well I dont. I add water when the water drops below my line. I've not changed my water in my res but once. that was when my plants got sick. And then I vacuumed the water and only took half out and replaced it with new. Since I've moved to buckets I've never opened them. I do pull water from my fish tank to fill my water. And some times I hook them all up together, and just move water around the room.
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lol, that was my initial thought of setup, but failed. my cause was due to the fertilizers i use in my fish tank for the live plants in there
 
PK said:
lol, that was my initial thought of setup, but failed. my cause was due to the fertilizers i use in my fish tank for the live plants in there
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Lol I have plenty of live plants in both my fish tanks.
 
This one I only pull water from.
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Joshualuck said:
Lol I have plenty of live plants in both my fish tanks.
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ok, run me through it. I don't use epsim salt. i've got amazonia dirt in the fish tank and the tank has co2, with fertilizers that are fish safe. essentially i give more nutrients to my plants then what the fish create
 
@Joshualuck i know the water resource is not the issue but the plant leaching is. However, i know that the fish tank water is better then tap water. although my tap water is pretty neutral with only 70ppm
 
PK said:
ok, run me through it. I don't use epsim salt. i've got amazonia dirt in the fish tank and the tank has co2, with fertilizers that are fish safe. essentially i give more nutrients to my plants then what the fish create
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Of course you did as I did the same. I mean who runs high nutes in a tank for water weeds? I've never done that. However when I made the decision to start growing aquaponics using my fish tank as a res. I pulled all my filters a week prior. Then hooked them up. However with the increase of algae it seemed to mess with my pumps at first. That's the slime your feeling. well hydrogen peroxide and Epsom salt work together in keeping the algae from your roots if used in light doses. Now I've got a whole slew of life in my tank so I was weary when I did this. I took 4 spoons of Epsom salt and a spoon of hydrogen peroxide to 10 gals of water and drained half the water out and added when I filled the water back up. This is why I pull the water from my tank to fill my buckets. I've only added hydrogen peroxide and Epsom salt this one time and since all my babys are thriving. Your pictures look like my babys did to a tee.
 
PK said:
i don't take i tto hearth bro, we all try to help and give out information of what we know.
I am trying to experiment and learn this method.

To my understanding leaching meant the same as you mentioned, i'm not sure in hydroponic as i cant find much on google. I've set diluted my water so its at 90ppm with ph 5.8
I will be leaving to work soon so will see how things go. Since its leaching the ppm will rise which will rise the ph. so far i've seen the ph sit at 6.5 and i've not seen any issues on the new growth. will see how things are when i return today.
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Your using the 500 scale right for PPM?
I go bumps/lowers by sets of 50 ppm (only for simplicity). So if you were at 270 PPM, then it would be 220PPM after diluting. Not too sure on the z9. I'd PH and worry about the z9 second.

PK said:
One thing i can't put my head around is the Z9.
it says to do all your mix of ph and nutrient and then add z9 a+b

What happens when the next day i add ph to adjust it. Or down the road when i add more nutrient.
That is all putting additives in after z9, is that okay?
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And now you see why many change the res out once every 7-10 days. It's a fresh slate as they say.

I looked at the z9 this go around, I wanted to try my hand with some organics and opted for great white...not designed for hydro but works fine. Think I'm going to try Orca next. But that doesn't answer your question....ph as needed, top off Z9 when needed. PH will effect things instantly in the roots.

I'm wondering if the c02 injection is what's playing havoc....but I'll leave that to more experienced growers to ponder....only reason I bring it up, is it's mentioned in the chart.
 
Joshualuck said:
Of course you did as I did the same. I mean who runs high nutes in a tank for water weeds? I've never done that. However when I made the decision to start growing aquaponics using my fish tank as a res. I pulled all my filters a week prior. Then hooked them up. However with the increase of algae it seemed to mess with my pumps at first. That's the slime your feeling. well hydrogen peroxide and Epsom salt work together in keeping the algae from your roots if used in light doses. Now I've got a whole slew of life in my tank so I was weary when I did this. I took 4 spoons of Epsom salt and a spoon of hydrogen peroxide to 10 gals of water and drained half the water out and added when I filled the water back up. This is why I pull the water from my tank to fill my buckets. I've only added hydrogen peroxide and Epsom salt this one time and since all my babys are thriving. Your pictures look like my babys did to a tee.
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got ya, i use z9 and with that i can't use peroxide. it would defeat z9
 
PK said:
got ya, i use z9 and with that i can't use peroxide. it would defeat z9
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Well then I've know idea for I've not used z9enough to talk about.
 
Rexer said:
Your using the 500 scale right for PPM?
I go bumps/lowers by sets of 50 ppm (only for simplicity). So if you were at 270 PPM, then it would be 220PPM after diluting. Not too sure on the z9. I'd PH and worry about the z9 second.


And now you see why many change the res out once every 7-10 days. It's a fresh slate as they say.

I looked at the z9 this go around, I wanted to try my hand with some organics and opted for great white...not designed for hydro but works fine. Think I'm going to try Orca next. But that doesn't answer your question....ph as needed, top off Z9 when needed. PH will effect things instantly in the roots.

I'm wondering if the c02 injection is what's playing havoc....but I'll leave that to more experienced growers to ponder....only reason I bring it up, is it's mentioned in the chart.
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i've got two tds meter one blue and the other is white. They give me different readings. only by 10ppm

i think the information coming across is being misunderstood.

I change my res water every 7 days but currently has been two days with this leaching problem.
i use 2.5ml Z9
i use tap water and MC
air pump on high
the water rotating pump on high which is really low. lol
 
i gotta go to work, but before leaving i just checked the ppm and it has raisen from 90 to 95ppm

Should i put this at 500ppm since the last water was almost at 400ppm?
 
PK said:
i've got two tds meter one blue and the other is white. They give me different readings. only by 10ppm

i think the information coming across is being misunderstood.

I change my res water every 7 days but currently has been two days with this leaching problem.
i use 2.5ml Z9
i use tap water and MC
air pump on high
the water rotating pump on high which is really low. lol
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I shoulda just stuck with my butting out!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I don't know what to say, yours is throwing me for a loop. My brain now hurts, im gonna go sooth it :rofl::hmmmm::bongrip::bongrip: turn my Xbox on and shut up for now lol
 
PK said:
i gotta go to work, but before leaving i just checked the ppm and it has raisen from 90 to 95ppm

Should i put this at 500ppm since the last water was almost at 400ppm?
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Reset your ph, wait for PW
 
Wow. Your chart seems to be a bit of a pain in the ass. Haha. So much to it. Seems like a couple buckets should never be this hard.

Its an interesting concept using a fish tank as a source for aquaponics. My old old hydrostore specialized in aquaponics, they were always giving away big ass tilapia.

The fish dont put enough back into the water to grow pot by themselves, but its a great start.

You were talking about adding CO2 to your fish tank. If you are seeing pH numbers fall it may be due to CO2 becoming carbonic acid. I just read about this, so its not like I'm an expert. Also dont ever let algae in your hydro rig. Any light from the edge of your net pot, or anywhere else will cause it to grow, which will take all your dissolved O2. If the algae dies in you tank it can really mess up your pH.
A lot of care is being taken to watch the pH/PPMs. Your PPMs may change by just correcting the pH... not a hell of a lot, but clearly all of this is based on interpretation.
 
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