PK Perpetual Grow Journal 2020

[PK]

That's one hell of a kit PK! Looks like the water testing kit for my hot tub, which I almost never use. So many bottles.

Looks like a great idea if you have the time/interest to do it.

its very similar to your test kit with slight differences of liquids that needs to be used. NPK reading as well as Fr, Ca, and more

 

[Stltoed]

I find it crazy how i tell people to read each plant for itself and then i don't do it myself.
I had a feeling last night that something was wrong even after upping the ec. This morning i decided to redo the res water and look at the equipments.

Left Res
The left res which the plant is looking really bad had a pump issue and it wasn't rotating the res water. not a lot of slimmery build up. I cleaned the pumps again and a quick dip into water mix with peroxide. I made sure the pumps are working before leaving her. I also redid the res water

ppm 250
ph 5.8
1.2ml Z9 (let me know if i should put another 1.5ml) i truly hate this calculation part

Right res

surprisingly i totally misread this plant. The water level was way below the mark and the ec was rising with ph.
Since yesterday i provided the wrong information and misreading the plant i decided to chagne this res water as well.
The res was clean, the pumps were working and the air stone was clean.

ph 5.8
ppm 300
1.2ml Z9

One question in mind is about the water level. If the water level goes down then obviously the nutrient levels will rise.
Is this why having a autovalve a important step? does the water level have to be on point all the time?

The water does not have to be in the same place all the time. And it doesn't have to be 1 inch under the net pot, I dont believe there can be a hard and fast rule to where the waterline is. Your air pump plays a key roll here as does your airstones/diffusers, etc.. I grew plants with the water well inside the netpots for almost 2 weeks with no.issue. the only time you really need high water, technically high humidity, is when your seedlings roots are making their way through the rooting media, then down to the water. You'll want to top water for that week or so, but you want the humidity in that space as high as possible. If you use rockwool you may want to watch how wet they get. Hope this helps

 

[PK]

both plants have rooted and the right plant roots was out of the pot into the water. However, due to the slimmery problem i had to clean all that pibbles so i removed the plant, but im sure it will grow back to the bottom again.

Here is a current reading and i adjusted the ph. Havn't brought EC up yet but the water in res is static, EC rising, ph Rising

 

[PK]

The left and right res both have a GG clone in there. i am thinking of taking the girl from the left res out and put one of the clones of the mystery girls in there? the girl on the right res new growth looks green and i'm not giving up on her yet
what do you guys think ditch the left girl?

 

[Stltoed]

The left and right res both have a GG clone in there. i am thinking of taking the girl from the left res out and put one of the clones of the mystery girls in there? the girl on the right res new growth looks green and i'm not giving up on her yet
what do you guys think ditch the left girl?

I'm kind of a thumbs down kinda guy usually, maybe I was a Ceasar in a previous life, i have stories about exotic ways of motivating plants, but also "culling the herd" so to speak.

Itll come back, but is it worth the time? I'm not saying get rid of it.... not my call. But, is it worth it to you?

 

[LLsBestGo]

idk if it'll help, I looked up the z9 & its application rates.
It says use 5ml part A & 5ml part B per every 38 liters of nutrient solution correct?
Here's the math I did:
38 Liters = 10.0385 gallons, rounded down to 10
5ml ÷ 10 (to find how many ml per gallon) = 0.5ml part A & 0.5ml part B, per gallon of nutrient solution.
& it says to add after nutrients are Ph adjusted?

 

[PK]

idk if it'll help, I looked up the z9 & its application rates.
It says use 5ml part A & 5ml part B per every 38 liters of nutrient solution correct?
Here's the math I did:
38 Liters = 10.0385 gallons, rounded down to 10
5ml ÷ 10 (to find how many ml per gallon) = 0.5ml part A & 0.5ml part B, per gallon of nutrient solution.
& it says to add after nutrients are Ph adjusted?

correct so its in a 5 gallon pail which would be 2.5ml as @The Phantom mentioned.

 

[PK]

1st picture is the GG, i couldn't throw it out so i put it next to my pomegranate seedling.
2nd pic is the Mystery girl clone. I did take the wool cube out and damaged some roots, but i;m sure in few days she will kick back if the water environment becomes good
3rd pic, she is in!

 

[PK]

its funny how it says all drugs but then there is only few leaves of a plant

 

[PK]

interesting facts are happening in the tent and i am just tracking it on my two sheets.

Mystery girl is a sativa hybrid
The ph has been consistent on 6.5 and i've left it at that point for the last 8 hours. I did not do anything while changing the GG to Mystery girl.
PPM has dropped from 274 to 270
Water level has also dropped
I'd say she is eating and drinking. Will see how she looks in the morning.

Gorilla Glue
Water level is at the same level as before
ph 6.5 and i did not add anymore ph down. I will keep it there unless it goes higher.
PPm has risen again, from 320 to 326. I've added 1/4tsp of MC and brought the levels up to 365ppm.
I will do another water test before i go to bed to find out if anything has changed.

These two pictures are the right res which is the gorilla glue. The lighting is adjusted to show the colour of the leaves properly. I see light green color on the new leaves. She is definitely hungry, but leaching. Will see if giving it more MC will fix this issue.
Happy Thanksgiving everyone

 

[Joshualuck]

The water does not have to be in the same place all the time. And it doesn't have to be 1 inch under the net pot, I dont believe there can be a hard and fast rule to where the waterline is. Your air pump plays a key roll here as does your airstones/diffusers, etc.. I grew plants with the water well inside the netpots for almost 2 weeks with no.issue. the only time you really need high water, technically high humidity, is when your seedlings roots are making their way through the rooting media, then down to the water. You'll want to top water for that week or so, but you want the humidity in that space as high as possible. If you use rockwool you may want to watch how wet they get. Hope this helps

@PK I keep my water at about half in my buckets. I have a constant water flow over their root system. I'm not able to put my roots full into the water without drowning them myself. But my humitdy in my buckets is real high around my root system. Before when I had my baby the great white in the veg box she got sick remember. well what I did to bring her back is gave her, her own space. And increased my Co2o and Epsom salt. I do not run any air into my water in my buckets. the top is filled with clay pellets of course. But I have a fan blowing over them 24/7. The water when it falls back into the res. It brings oxygen back with it. I dont use any air pump due to having a bad experience with one. I go around the air pump un the water. Your baby looks almost identical to mine when mine got sick. At first I thought I had root rot because my roots were turning brown. well that turned out being kelp. The nutrient I was using. Any way my roots were not doing well sitting in water. Some strains dont. They say. Dont give up my friend. I have faith the she will come around. Got my fingers crossed for you.

 

[The Phantom]

@PK if you read the heading above the link you posted about the 1 tsp dosing of Z9 you'll see that is for a cloning machine, not dwc.

 

[PK]

@PK if you read the heading above the link you posted about the 1 tsp dosing of Z9 you'll see that is for a cloning machine, not dwc.

i thought it meant if you are constantly cloning plants

@PK I keep my water at about half in my buckets. I have a constant water flow over their root system. I'm not able to put my roots full into the water without drowning them myself. But my humitdy in my buckets is real high around my root system. Before when I had my baby the great white in the veg box she got sick remember. well what I did to bring her back is gave her, her own space. And increased my Co2o and Epsom salt. I do not run any air into my water in my buckets. the top is filled with clay pellets of course. But I have a fan blowing over them 24/7. The water when it falls back into the res. It brings oxygen back with it. I dont use any air pump due to having a bad experience with one. I go around the air pump un the water. Your baby looks almost identical to mine when mine got sick. At first I thought I had root rot because my roots were turning brown. well that turned out being kelp. The nutrient I was using. Any way my roots were not doing well sitting in water. Some strains dont. They say. Dont give up my friend. I have faith the she will come around. Got my fingers crossed for you.

ya, same here in the beginning. I had the water level at half of the bucket with no air stone. It did have a pump to push the water to the clay pibbles and get the clone wet. However, everytime i needed to do water change i had to pick up the lid which caused the line and pibbles to move and damage roots.

The difference between ours is that you do everything to your fish tank which is your reservoir VS i have to move the res
I don't have CO2 or the diffuser for outside. My co2 runs in my fish tank and i don't use the fish tank water. at least for this grow.

 

[PK]

Quick update from last night to this morning.

Mystery girl
PH 6.5
PPM 270
Water lvl - static
No change from last night. Should i adjust the ph to 5.8 from 6.5?

Gorilla Glue
PH 6.5
PPM 275 from 270
Water lvl static

EC still rising, i guess i'll add another 1/4tsp which should bring this up to 400ppm

 

[Rexer]

Quick update from last night to this morning.

Mystery girl
PH 6.5
PPM 270
Water lvl - static
No change from last night. Should i adjust the ph to 5.8 from 6.5?

Gorilla Glue
PH 6.5
PPM 275 from 270
Water lvl static

EC still rising, i guess i'll add another 1/4tsp which should bring this up to 400ppm

I would bring it back down to 5.8. Once it hits 6.5 it's time for the reset.
Also, consider diluting it. If your EC is rising, lower it until the plant is eating & drinking (water level and EC will drop)
Edit- misread?

 

[Rexer]

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I would bring it back down to 5.8. Once it hits 6.5 it's time for the reset.
Also, consider diluting it. If your EC is rising, lower it until the plant is eating & drinking (water level and EC will drop)
Edit- misread

Why the wow brother? Did I misread something?
If your plant is leaching back into the res, raising your EC , you need to lower the EC to lower then what caused the leaching - that will get it eating again. The static water indicates no drinking is happening either.

You've got folk on here way more experienced, and hope if I'm wrong they'll correct me.

 

[PK]

hmmmm, confusing since that graph says to raise the EC.

 

[Rexer]

hmmmm, confusing since that graph says to raise the EC.

You are 100% right, and I was wrong. Sorry brother. It's the "unusual state"

Time for me to butt back out

 

[PK]

@Rexer so i should raise the EC, cuz i just mixed the water so its at 90 ppm lol!

 

[Rexer]

@Rexer so i should raise the EC, cuz i just mixed the water so its at 90 ppm lol!

In all honesty PK - I'm going to keep quiet, I think I'm not thinking straight today. Lovely side effect of my condition, I apologize. Bit since you asked...

Normally when the plant is leaching back to my knowledge it means there's an issue to be dealt with. It's kinda like reading leaves in soil, except hydro you get the quicker edition via roots.

Take what I'm saying in connection with my 1st paragraph. But, I'm not sure if you have a lock out from the too much Epsom salt, or what's happening. Generally, when I see a rise in my PPM, I dilute down a bit or res change. Once I see the water and PPM lowering then I raise ppm/EC.

I'm only about to do my 2nd harvest. You got folks here many more ahead of me, I'd wait for them.

Also, if you know your going to be out for a day and your PH will rise past 6.5 in your absence, go ahead and reset to 5.8. Not doing a full PH swing from 5.8 to 6.5 will have less harm then letting itgo past 6.5. Again, as you know I'm not overly experienced so take what I say to consideration, not to heart.