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Oh damn! You’ve been doing this for a while haven’t ya?
Is this the first grow of the self made strain?
Patient's 2020
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Is this the first grow of the self made strain?
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Yo rooster. Yeah, this is the 1st grow ever with this new strain. I had some clones going in to May. I also sprouted some of these seeds to try them out, as I hadn't yet. They are unusual looking beans with little nubs at the end of the seed. So anyways, sprouted and planted. The seeds grew VERY well. The structure was totally Christmas tree shaped and perfect. So I planted her. I gave another one to my neighbor. His is crazy looking. He just let it run without topping or training and he has long 1'+ colas on there. Not many but they are stacked if they are there. This side yard plot has the disadvantage of being seen from the street below, so anything in the planter gets topped and tied down. This year has been the craziest year for home, RV, and auto repairs. I am currently doing the roof on our patio deck right now. Just too busy and I allowed the new strain to keep too many tops due to my inability to tend to her or any of them to tell the truth. Just now she is finally fattening up some buds. No telling what her buds will be like. She doesn't have much smell besides a faint lemon, cheese, and cotton candy smell. She is thick in trichomes. Greasy feel to her. More than another plant right now. So she will be used mainly for extraction purposes as that's what I am leaning towards.
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Alright, so after a couple adult beverages I started thinking. (rare) All of my seeds are unstable due to inbreeding. I haven't come across a pheno yet that has grabbed my attention. The Mango this year is great due to yield. When I sampled the Mango mother (yes, my current Mango is a clone), she had a pretty intense sativa high. I smoked the buds waaaaay early, but still good. The new idea for me (not for some) is reproducing a plant. Clones have a shelf life. How many years can a bonsai really live for? I have read threads saying 10. So IF I ever come across a keeper, what do I do? Clone? For how long? Feminized seeds is the next deal.
My plant's terpene profile changes through the grow. As I am sure all do. I was just outside and squeezed some (BlueCheese+Mango)+BlueWater buds and ALL I smelled was pine. No lemon. No cheese. No cotton candy. Only pine. Strong pine. I peed a little. i flipped and knew that IF this terpene profile sticks AND the high is good?! A clone won't last forever. Though a clone is needed to make fem seeds. I need to get some of that silver...stuff. dang it. Google...
My plant's terpene profile changes through the grow. As I am sure all do. I was just outside and squeezed some (BlueCheese+Mango)+BlueWater buds and ALL I smelled was pine. No lemon. No cheese. No cotton candy. Only pine. Strong pine. I peed a little.
i flipped and knew that IF this terpene profile sticks AND the high is good?! A clone won't last forever. Though a clone is needed to make fem seeds. I need to get some of that silver...stuff. dang it. Google...
Wobbly pops for the win!!
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Here is a method of cloning that i use. I did not invent it but a wise man by the name of someoldguy passed it on to me and it changed my success at cloning. I am a busy person and i either don't have time to check on things or i forget. I also have kids and spend what little cash i have, on them. This is a pretty hands off way to get clones without much fuss.
Here is my equipment. (LOL) Vermiculite ($8?), popsicle forms (Amazon $7?) And some bottle caps. Nothing but the finest will do. 
i have notched holes in the corner of the caps with a razor knife to allow water to be wicked more easier. I have crazy finger nails on my right hand. I play fingerstyle acoustic and they are my picks. 
The popsicle forms have holes drilled in the bottom. If not done with care, the bottom can crack and that's not good. 
Now i place the bottle caps in the forms upside down. They can be a tight fit. That is why there is a notch in the cap to allow water to flow. 
Now at this point i fill the forms with Vermiculite. I smooth off the cells/forms and press the Vermiculite down. I have over packed and they struggle to root. Pack it but don't over do it. I top off a little bit more of the Vermiculite and press in to place even lighter. 
I then place the form in to a pyrex dish. Any Tupperware would do. Fill up with water about 1"-1.5" inch up the form to ensure the Vermiculite is staying moist. Allow the Vermiculite to wick up the water and get wet up top. Once wet...
I get a drill bit and punch holes in the wet Vermiculite. Big enough for the stems. Some of my strains are fatter branched so i may use a bigger one if necessary. Take your cuttings with clean equipment and 45 at the node and leave in bottle of water until ready to dip in hormone or whatever. 
Take cutting and place in the hole and press the Vermiculite around the stem. Ensuring good contact. Dont over do it. Water just squishes out. Just make good contact. 
Once filled, i take it inside and place it in my grow box. The rez and cuttings have a level set up above my Bonsai lights. 
This maintains the rez temperature at ~80°. As long as the temperature is maintained, they should all be showing roots in 1 week and really good mass of roots by 2 weeks. Maintaining the temp and not letting the water dry up is all it takes. No misting. No vents. It's what works for me. Since the light is below it stays indirect enough.
But now my Bonsai's go on a 24 hr schedule. I didn't foresee this issue when i designed it. Whoops...
Here is my equipment. (LOL) Vermiculite ($8?), popsicle forms (Amazon $7?) And some bottle caps. Nothing but the finest will do. i have notched holes in the corner of the caps with a razor knife to allow water to be wicked more easier. I have crazy finger nails on my right hand. I play fingerstyle acoustic and they are my picks. The popsicle forms have holes drilled in the bottom. If not done with care, the bottom can crack and that's not good. Now i place the bottle caps in the forms upside down. They can be a tight fit. That is why there is a notch in the cap to allow water to flow. Now at this point i fill the forms with Vermiculite. I smooth off the cells/forms and press the Vermiculite down. I have over packed and they struggle to root. Pack it but don't over do it. I top off a little bit more of the Vermiculite and press in to place even lighter. I then place the form in to a pyrex dish. Any Tupperware would do. Fill up with water about 1"-1.5" inch up the form to ensure the Vermiculite is staying moist. Allow the Vermiculite to wick up the water and get wet up top. Once wet... I get a drill bit and punch holes in the wet Vermiculite. Big enough for the stems. Some of my strains are fatter branched so i may use a bigger one if necessary. Take your cuttings with clean equipment and 45 at the node and leave in bottle of water until ready to dip in hormone or whatever. Take cutting and place in the hole and press the Vermiculite around the stem. Ensuring good contact. Dont over do it. Water just squishes out. Just make good contact. Once filled, i take it inside and place it in my grow box. The rez and cuttings have a level set up above my Bonsai lights. This maintains the rez temperature at ~80°. As long as the temperature is maintained, they should all be showing roots in 1 week and really good mass of roots by 2 weeks. Maintaining the temp and not letting the water dry up is all it takes. No misting. No vents. It's what works for me. Since the light is below it stays indirect enough. But now my Bonsai's go on a 24 hr schedule. I didn't foresee this issue when i designed it. Whoops...
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Once they are rooted. Take a skewer or tooth pick or skinnier drill bit and push the forms out in your hand and dip in water to remove the Vermiculite. After rinsing off, place in media of choice. Enjoy.
Konks Dirt Empire
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Great write up, love a $15 suggestion!
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Quick weekly update. I again am awash in chores. It was the roof, now the drip system. Its going to be overhauled soon. Maybe before the roof. AC went out in my grow room as well. (Ack!) I tell ya, busy. 
Here is the mighty Mango. Hahaha. She is ludicrous. Never have i grown the likes of her. Well the original mother was like this. 
This is her flagship bud. Probably 2 ft? Crazy for a clone. Molasses was the difference this year. For every plant. 
The Mango is finally triching up. I have another strain (Skunk × Mystery) that grows like this. They both grew their bulk THEN did their trichs. 
Here is my (BluCheez×Mango)×BluWater sativa monster. She is finally bulking up a bit. 
In constrast to the Mango's lime green color, this plant is more blue-green. She has beautiful buds with thick pistils like the Blue Cheese mother did. Trichy like her as well. Buds are shaped like the Blue Water. I am not sure what the Mango contributed in the off spring. Hmm...
Here is the Black Water. She is smelling of the inside of a pumpkin with lemon. Her profile is changing and it's a trip to smell her going through the terpenes. 
Here is one of her buds. It is reasonably dense given running her on an All Purpose all season. 
ouch! Harley is half laid over and the AC/DC is almost on the ground. Sad.
I have been way busy and not tending to my garden like a should have this season. But...the list is long of the repairs i have had to do this year. And it's ALL been fixed. Sewer line to the street replaced. Dug it by hand. AC fixed in the motorhome as well as a blackwater valve replacement (sewer). That sucked. We didnt drain it 1st. Hahaha. Chicken coop built. Back deck repaired of rot. Water pump and radiator repalcement. O2 sensors. I aint a mechanic. Tie rods are next on 2 vehicles and shocks on 1. Now the deck roof is waiting as the drip irrigation gets overhauled. Replace AC in the back room. Dude...i have impressed myself this year. Pssshh. I got this. I just cant keep a handle on my garden at the same time. But the house and autos are repaired and that is my priority. Garden is 2nd.
Here is the mighty Mango. Hahaha. She is ludicrous. Never have i grown the likes of her. Well the original mother was like this. This is her flagship bud. Probably 2 ft? Crazy for a clone. Molasses was the difference this year. For every plant. The Mango is finally triching up. I have another strain (Skunk × Mystery) that grows like this. They both grew their bulk THEN did their trichs. Here is my (BluCheez×Mango)×BluWater sativa monster. She is finally bulking up a bit. In constrast to the Mango's lime green color, this plant is more blue-green. She has beautiful buds with thick pistils like the Blue Cheese mother did. Trichy like her as well. Buds are shaped like the Blue Water. I am not sure what the Mango contributed in the off spring. Hmm... Here is the Black Water. She is smelling of the inside of a pumpkin with lemon. Her profile is changing and it's a trip to smell her going through the terpenes. Here is one of her buds. It is reasonably dense given running her on an All Purpose all season. ouch! Harley is half laid over and the AC/DC is almost on the ground. Sad. I have been way busy and not tending to my garden like a should have this season. But...the list is long of the repairs i have had to do this year. And it's ALL been fixed. Sewer line to the street replaced. Dug it by hand. AC fixed in the motorhome as well as a blackwater valve replacement (sewer). That sucked. We didnt drain it 1st. Hahaha. Chicken coop built. Back deck repaired of rot. Water pump and radiator repalcement. O2 sensors. I aint a mechanic. Tie rods are next on 2 vehicles and shocks on 1. Now the deck roof is waiting as the drip irrigation gets overhauled. Replace AC in the back room. Dude...i have impressed myself this year. Pssshh. I got this. I just cant keep a handle on my garden at the same time. But the house and autos are repaired and that is my priority. Garden is 2nd.
Gawd damn! Someoldguy is a smart man! I sure hope he drops in to say hi! That’s who gave me the BLT concept!
I was going to mention something about your finger nails, lol thanks for clearing that up!
your outdoor gals are looking superb!
I was going to mention something about your finger nails, lol thanks for clearing that up!
your outdoor gals are looking superb!
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@Backlipslide i have had family members tell me to "paint them bit**es, boy. Cant touch this!" Hahahaha. Funny...
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Despite the outdoor grow going I occasionally run an indoor grow. Never anything too spectacular. Simple 150w HPS in a 2×2 spot. Maybe 4 plants. I start with 8 regular seeds In E.B. Stone Seed Starter mix. I am down for DIY but this stagebis critical. I start with 8 seeds in hopes of having 4 females. Sometimes it's not that easy. 
I keep my seeds in a paper towel above the Bonsai lights that keep them warm. 
This time around, i sprouted some new seeds i made. (CompassionCBDLime × Skunk) × BlueSkunk. Also (NYCDiesel × Skunk) × Mango. 4 each and we will see.
They could be junk. Maybe good. My DIY fish emulsion should be ready to start a test run by feeding one and see what it does. It stinks right now. Stinks doesn't do it justice. Supposedly after a month of NO stirring, the concoction should smell like a light vinegar aroma. That is similar to these Pre-Digested ferts i have been eyeballing. Dr. Earth & AgroThrive both smell like this light vinegar smell.
Those clones may just go in pots and go outside and see what happens. I did the clone run to show another member. 8 seeds and 6 clones is far too much going on at once in my little winter spot.
I keep my seeds in a paper towel above the Bonsai lights that keep them warm. This time around, i sprouted some new seeds i made. (CompassionCBDLime × Skunk) × BlueSkunk. Also (NYCDiesel × Skunk) × Mango. 4 each and we will see. They could be junk. Maybe good. My DIY fish emulsion should be ready to start a test run by feeding one and see what it does. It stinks right now. Stinks doesn't do it justice. Supposedly after a month of NO stirring, the concoction should smell like a light vinegar aroma. That is similar to these Pre-Digested ferts i have been eyeballing. Dr. Earth & AgroThrive both smell like this light vinegar smell. Those clones may just go in pots and go outside and see what happens. I did the clone run to show another member. 8 seeds and 6 clones is far too much going on at once in my little winter spot.
Konks Dirt Empire
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How many cans of sardines? Would bet its gonna wreak, but I'm too frugal.
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Well...it was 10 cans. I don't know about it. The bucket is warm. So there is action going on in there. This stuff would totally kill a plant right now. Hahaha. Burn the hell out of your roots. I have seen YouTube videos demonstrating something similar and they say just leave it alone for a month. The dogs chewed up my stir stick and it hadn't been stirred in a few days. I could tell. Those little daily stirs keeps it smelling like the bottom of a dirty garbage can. NOT stirring it...I don't want to be profane and describe it. It smelled like a zombie's crotch on hot day. I think I will stick with the stirring.
Konks Dirt Empire
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Eww your dogs could devour the buckets worth, what a mess that would be!
I once worked at a waste collection company and have slid in yard waste juice, next to a landfill... there were not 10 cans of sardines in that wet packer.
It's for outdoors, right? It'll work like a magic wand
I once worked at a waste collection company and have slid in yard waste juice, next to a landfill... there were not 10 cans of sardines in that wet packer.
It's for outdoors, right? It'll work like a magic wand
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I have been using that Dr Earths brand of predigested food fertilizer and after 2 weeks my new Bonsai plants are responding well. That stuff costs too much though. Ferts are non existent at the hardware stores. Everyone is in flower and wiping them out. It's like TP at the start of covid. If this doesn't work I am doing a different approach more like one on YouTube. This guy blends the fish. Liquefied it. Poured it in a bucket with molasses and put a bacteria (Lactillus Bacillus) or something like that. Sort of the same but I used tap water. Hmm...there was so much organic input, that tap water's chloramine didn't stand a chance.
Konks Dirt Empire
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You've got a plan and a back up, sounds good!
I’m always for bubbling things if you’re not sure about them. Also that smell will shape up right away with some aeration. Your plants look amazing as always.
regarding the CS reversal, I’m currently working on that exact thing for the second time ever. I’ve got a Terple from In House Genetics that I’m treating one branch with. I only treat the branch right at lights off each day. Today was day 15 of treatment and day 8 of flower. Should see pollen sacs in the next week or two. My first run I did star Pupil from mass medical. I got about 80 S1s, and I made about 100 F1s of Sour Bubba x star pupil and 20ish cookies n chem x star pupil. It’s really very easy.. and you can find a quart of 100ppm colloidal silver on amazon for like $20. I dilute mine to 50ppm with distilled water, so a quart will last me a good 8-9 reversal projects.. definitely worth the money.
regarding the CS reversal, I’m currently working on that exact thing for the second time ever. I’ve got a Terple from In House Genetics that I’m treating one branch with. I only treat the branch right at lights off each day. Today was day 15 of treatment and day 8 of flower. Should see pollen sacs in the next week or two. My first run I did star Pupil from mass medical. I got about 80 S1s, and I made about 100 F1s of Sour Bubba x star pupil and 20ish cookies n chem x star pupil. It’s really very easy.. and you can find a quart of 100ppm colloidal silver on amazon for like $20. I dilute mine to 50ppm with distilled water, so a quart will last me a good 8-9 reversal projects.. definitely worth the money.
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Yeah...hey Chef. Yup I am looking to make some Fem seeds. My Blackwater plant out back is a nice keeper as well as my Mango this year. So to keep that and experiment with, I need some silver. i have also brewed my share of teas. Compost and nutrient teas. I could aerate it, that would fix the smell. This is something different. This is not a tea. Some dude called it a leachate. The idea is to let it go anaerobic. Sounds bad I know. I guess once the bad stuff is done doing whatever, it's good to use? I am clueless really. I have been checking out pre-digested fertilizers. Dr. Earth and AgroThrive are a couple that I have seen. I never heard of the stuff. They both smell slightly like Soy Sauce, so I know they both use the same method. I am trying to mimic that without breaking the bank. At this point I know everyone is reading this going, man this dude is loco! Hahaha. Quite possibly. I am impressed with how these nutes have worked with my plants and I am looking to duplicate the method. Will I get it this time? Dunno. We will see.
i have also brewed my share of teas. Compost and nutrient teas. I could aerate it, that would fix the smell. This is something different. This is not a tea. Some dude called it a leachate. The idea is to let it go anaerobic. Sounds bad I know. I guess once the bad stuff is done doing whatever, it's good to use? I am clueless really. I have been checking out pre-digested fertilizers. Dr. Earth and AgroThrive are a couple that I have seen. I never heard of the stuff. They both smell slightly like Soy Sauce, so I know they both use the same method. I am trying to mimic that without breaking the bank. At this point I know everyone is reading this going, man this dude is loco! Hahaha. Quite possibly. I am impressed with how these nutes have worked with my plants and I am looking to duplicate the method. Will I get it this time? Dunno. We will see.- Thread starter
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Hey PP glad I found your new hangout. I wanted to try your Bonsai method this year