Patient's Bonsai

[Pat Puffer]

@Stunger these have been inbred as regular seeds. Just last year i got these plants going as mothers. Then as i am seeing some phenos become damaged and about to lose an "only one", i see the Silver fluid being advantageous to this whole pursuit. Just a couple years ago, i was sprouting seeds like rolling dice in hopes of getting a keeper female for the outdoor season. That had to end. Now i am wanting to grow these from seed. I am evolving to the next step of making FEM seeds. This BlackWater i ran this year is nice and has a pleasant terpene profile. She will be the 1st i make S1 seeds with. It should be a hoot and a relief to sprout seeds. Trying to time clones for the outdoor season is rough with the hardening off part and switching hours. It gets forgotten about. So again, evolving my grow to make it easy on me.

 

[Stunger]

@Stunger these have been inbred as regular seeds. Just last year i got these plants going as mothers. Then as i am seeing some phenos become damaged and about to lose an "only one", i see the Silver fluid being advantageous to this whole pursuit. Just a couple years ago, i was sprouting seeds like rolling dice in hopes of getting a keeper female for the outdoor season. That had to end. Now i am wanting to grow these from seed. I am evolving to the next step of making FEM seeds. This BlackWater i ran this year is nice and has a pleasant terpene profile. She will be the 1st i make S1 seeds with. It should be a hoot and a relief to sprout seeds. Trying to time clones for the outdoor season is rough with the hardening off part and switching hours. It gets forgotten about. So again, evolving my grow to make it easy on me.

I was at first thinking to pick a branch or three on a female and spray them with Colloidal Silver, but then I was given the suggestion of cloning cuttings and instead to reverse the cuttings as one only needs a small amount of pollen to go a long way, and that way if I fail to make any successful cuttings I can fall back on spraying some selected branches. Anyway, that's the desired view looking ahead but whether it's comes to realization only time will tell.

 

[Pat Puffer]

I am about to order some Colloidal Silver tonight. Its too late for me to get my ladies outdoors. They only have 2 weeks left. I am however about to start a tiny indoor run for testing and breeding. I may go the S1 route for my CBDs. I am positive there is a thread on the site some where. I just haven't searched yet.

 

[Southerncough]

@Southerncough
I believe the Mango i have to be a KC Brains, now i am not sure anymore. I was on the fence about it, now i don't know. You say yours is mellow. This one i have is quite uplifting and energetic. I took a couple seeds from a dispensary strain and bred with it to produce what i have today. The plant grows on the tall side, light green color, buds 12"+ outdoors about the girth of a banana and smells like Mango. Occasionally a short pheno will pop out of the seeds. Oddly enough, these are usually a male.

I think they're a little sativa leaning hybrid in the uplifing effects but not too soaring as Mrs. Cough is a little wound up as-is so She usually needs more indica to calm her down. Mine have been growing kinda leggy and lanky with lots of lateral branches covered in golf ball sized buds, light green like yours and often will yellow around week 6. They always mature at exactly 60 days so much that I don't even have to check the trichs anymore, just chop and drop!

 

[Stunger]

I am about to order some Colloidal Silver tonight. Its too late for me to get my ladies outdoors. They only have 2 weeks left. I am however about to start a tiny indoor run for testing and breeding. I may go the S1 route for my CBDs. I am positive there is a thread on the site some where. I just haven't searched yet.

I have a decent Colloidal Silver generator that I plan to use. For what is worth, below is a CS related link that I had previously booked marked;

How to Make Feminized Seeds With Colloidal Silver - Sponsored by Intelligent-Gro LED

Hi Everyone I'm toker69 Yay! :thumb: Welcome to my Colloidal Silver journal! I'm working on a six month project of making my own Feminized Autoflowering Seeds. First on my feminizing list is a midsize potent strain named "Himalayan Blue Diesel" Here's the HBD breakdown! Type : Auto...

www.420magazine.com

 

[Konks Dirt Empire]

@Southerncough
I believe the Mango i have to be a KC Brains, now i am not sure anymore. I was on the fence about it, now i don't know. You say yours is mellow. This one i have is quite uplifting and energetic. I took a couple seeds from a dispensary strain and bred with it to produce what i have today. The plant grows on the tall side, light green color, buds 12"+ outdoors about the girth of a banana and smells like Mango. Occasionally a short pheno will pop out of the seeds. Oddly enough, these are usually a male.

me again with another question, PP ~
I came across KC Brains Escape when googling strains that grow well in my area. It would be or could be related to your Mango? I would need to start them early too, requiring a MacGyverized cheap a$$ electricity hack, we pay a fortune now without lights.


Also, this thread is an interesting read
Thanks!

 

[Southerncough]

me again with another question, PP ~
I came across KC Brains Escape when googling strains that grow well in my area. It would be or could be related to your Mango? I would need to start them early too, requiring a MacGyverized cheap a$$ electricity hack, we pay a fortune now without lights.


Also, this thread is an interesting read
Thanks!

I believe the kc mango is a cross between kc33 and afghani. Look into quantum board lights, total game changer! Low profile, low heat, low power draw, and the plants LOVE them. My mangoes never really put out huge buds but my northern lights plants produce nice hard nugs under a 95w quantum board. Mind you one of those 95 watt ones only does a 2x2 footprint in flower. Absolutely perfect for a closet grow!

 

[Konks Dirt Empire]

I believe the kc mango is a cross between kc33 and afghani. Look into quantum board lights, total game changer! Low profile, low heat, low power draw, and the plants LOVE them. My mangoes never really put out huge buds but my northern lights plants produce nice hard nugs under a 95w quantum board. Mind you one of those 95 watt ones only does a 2x2 footprint in flower. Absolutely perfect for a closet grow!

Thanks, Southerncough.

PP, your Zorb breakdown talks about the mango bud and the desired effect. Without confusing semantics, please, am I close lol your mango strain is related in the "KC Brains" family but it's lineage heads off in a sativa hybrid direction and the kc brains escape is related, too, heading down the indica hybrid direction. Same family but almost opposite effect?
I haven't even gone down the massive breeding, crossing rabbit hole but see language like "leaning pheno", and when comparing my bag seed to my known indica strain posters (which I appreciate the think tank capacity) wouldn't give me a straight yes, those leaves are half as wide it is probably a sativa. It was like a no-no to state openly one or the other, I am asking from a high level overview not too specific point if view.
As always, the Patient in your name shines! Thanks!

 

[Southerncough]

Thanks, Southerncough.

PP, your Zorb breakdown talks about the mango bud and the desired effect. Without confusing semantics, please, am I close lol your mango strain is related in the "KC Brains" family but it's lineage heads off in a sativa hybrid direction and the kc brains escape is related, too, heading down the indica hybrid direction. Same family but almost opposite effect?
I haven't even gone down the massive breeding, crossing rabbit hole but see language like "leaning pheno", and when comparing my bag seed to my known indica strain posters (which I appreciate the think tank capacity) wouldn't give me a straight yes, those leaves are half as wide it is probably a sativa. It was like a no-no to state openly one or the other, I am asking from a high level overview not too specific point if view.
As always, the Patient in your name shines! Thanks!

I've never attempted breeding, but in the big picture I try to imagine it like dog breeding. If you mate two golden retrievers, their offspring will be similar but still have mild differences. Some pups are bigger, some may have more red or yellow in their coat, some males some females, there may be a smart one and a fast one, etc. Same with a batch of seeds of a particular strain. Same genetics but this one offspring grows taller but the other finishes a few days early, and another yields a little more, etc.

NOW if you mate a golden retriever with say a border collie looking for the traits of a golden in a smaller dog physique you're going to have a litter of different looking pups. Some black some brown some tan some with patches and spots. Most will be smaller than a golden but larger than the border collie, some may have perky ears and some may have floppy ears, you may have an odd ball male that'll get huge and the one that looks like a small golden. You might say well this one is leaning golden because she has floppy ears and a yellow coat more so than her brother who has perky ears and a black coat...even though same parents. Etc. The pup you select from this cross I understand to be your F1 hybrid. Now if you breed her with a similar mix male your odds of a similar hybrid litter are higher than her siblings because both parents have the genetic traits you're going after (if I understand this correctly) and so on and so forth. Hence why pugs and German shepherds are both decedents of wolves (LOL) because they've been "back bred" against each other to repeat desired traits. asterisk both breeds have their share of negative health traits that have been passed along as well, so sometimes it's better to mutt them up and introduce some new genes from dogs who can breathe and don't have horrible arthritis, etc.

Similar goes for breeding cannabis. Say I have a favorite pure bread landrace sativa but it's not practical to cultivate because it takes 4 months to flower and grows 20' tall in the wild, i may try to cross her with a shorter, faster indica and select the offspring who grows the most like the Indica parent but has the high most similar to the sativa parent. Along the way you may notice that she has features more like one of the parents like leaf shape or node spacing, etc. She has broad leaves like the Indica but they're light green like the sativa, etc. Now if you breed your favorite offspring (plant) who has a close enough high, smaller growth and faster flowering time with another plant with similar traits your odds of more seeds being similar are higher (if I understand correctly) and continue to "back cross" these genetics to continue increasing the odds of similar seeds....then the remaining messed up seeds are given away as a gift with purchase from the seed banks just to F*ck with you LMAO!!

...Like my 'gift wish purchase' white rhino seeds that were supposed to be a compact 7 week plant described as "ideal for small indoor gardens" that instead grew 8' tall and took 4 months to flower! AGGGh!!

Dont shoot me, it's just my basic understanding...

 

[Konks Dirt Empire]

I've never attempted breeding, but in the big picture I try to imagine it like dog breeding. If you mate two golden retrievers, their offspring will be similar but still have mild differences. Some pups are bigger, some may have more red or yellow in their coat, some males some females, there may be a smart one and a fast one, etc. Same with a batch of seeds of a particular strain. Same genetics but this one offspring grows taller but the other finishes a few days early, and another yields a little more, etc.

NOW if you mate a golden retriever with say a border collie looking for the traits of a golden in a smaller dog physique you're going to have a litter of different looking pups. Some black some brown some tan some with patches and spots. Most will be smaller than a golden but larger than the border collie, some may have perky ears and some may have floppy ears, you may have an odd ball male that'll get huge and the one that looks like a small golden. You might say well this one is leaning golden because she has floppy ears and a yellow coat more so than her brother who has perky ears and a black coat...even though same parents. Etc. The pup you select from this cross I understand to be your F1 hybrid. Now if you breed her with a similar mix male your odds of a similar hybrid litter are higher than her siblings because both parents have the genetic traits you're going after (if I understand this correctly) and so on and so forth. Hence why pugs and German shepherds are both decedents of wolves (LOL) because they've been "back bred" against each other to repeat desired traits. asterisk both breeds have their share of negative health traits that have been passed along as well, so sometimes it's better to mutt them up and introduce some new genes from dogs who can breathe and don't have horrible arthritis, etc.

Similar goes for breeding cannabis. Say I have a favorite pure bread landrace sativa but it's not practical to cultivate because it takes 4 months to flower and grows 20' tall in the wild, i may try to cross her with a shorter, faster indica and select the offspring who grows the most like the Indica parent but has the high most similar to the sativa parent. Along the way you may notice that she has features more like one of the parents like leaf shape or node spacing, etc. She has broad leaves like the Indica but they're light green like the sativa, etc. Now if you breed your favorite offspring (plant) who has a close enough high, smaller growth and faster flowering time with another plant with similar traits your odds of more seeds being similar are higher (if I understand correctly) and continue to "back cross" these genetics to continue increasing the odds of similar seeds....then the remaining messed up seeds are given away as a gift with purchase from the seed banks just to F*ck with you LMAO!!

...Like my 'gift wish purchase' white rhino seeds that were supposed to be a compact 7 week plant described as "ideal for small indoor gardens" that instead grew 8' tall and took 4 months to flower! AGGGh!!

Dont shoot me, it's just my basic understanding...

This is really incredibly helpful, @Southerncough, much appreciated!

then the remaining messed up seeds are given away as a gift with purchase from the seed banks just to F*ck with you LMAO!!

...Like my 'gift wish purchase' white rhino seeds that were supposed to be a compact 7 week plant described as "ideal for small indoor gardens" that instead grew 8' tall and took 4 months to flower! AGGGh!!

This sounds exactly like something I would 'win"

 

[VetSmoke85]

Hi @Patient puffer. Some useful info here, thanks. I recently started a couple of bonsai mothers from seed and just rooted a couple of gorilla glue cuttings to make a bonsai mother with too. I have them in 1L plastic pots in biobizz lightmix soil and have been feeding 1g/1L of megacrop for a couple of weeks now. The 2 from seed are 31 & 29 days old. After reading your info it looks like I'd be best switching from the mega crop to a low dose of the biobizz grow nutrients I have sitting around. One of them is bone dry after 1-2 days from feeding and the other is taking double that time on average. I'm hoping to take some cuttings from these in a few weeks and thin them out a bit. Is it better to have the mothers from clones? I haven't done it to save any specific genetics or anything at the moment, it's just to play around with the technique and learn to clone. Glad I got a couple of the GG cuttings to root though as their mum is looking great in the flower tent so far. If it's better to grow these bonsai mum's from clone I'll probably up pot and flower these two once I have some cuttings rooted.

 

[Pat Puffer]

Hey there vetty. Yeah i too started this Bonsai thing to see if i could. It is just a routine maintenance thing. Megacrop probably wouldn't be bad for the Bonsai's. I would keep it as organic as possible. I read MegaCrops ingredients and i dont think they use any salt based nutrients. Biobizz seems a touch more organic and is not a bad choice.
Given we only keep the plants in veg, i have found a weekly or biweekly addition of an organic all purpose is enough to keep the plants green. Every 3 weeks i would need to do an Epsom Salt root drench to keep the Magnesium up in the soil.
If you check out my Patient's Grows thread, i have made an FAA. That is fish amino acid. It should be pretty comprehensive for just a vegging plant.
One will find that i opt to make my own stuff rather than buy. That way i KNOW what is in my stuff and i never need to worry about supply issues like last year.
Cuttings are best for your Bonsai's. Seeds won't allow long term preservation of the plant. The tap root will get tangled in the small pots. This is why cuttings are best. And yes, these cuttings can just be thrown in to flower if you want to.
I have seen people take cuttings from a mother going in to flower chamber(s). The cutting is taken and allowed to veg for about 2 months and the process is repeated. A bonsai box in this sense is almost useless.

 

[Enjoil]

@Stunger these have been inbred as regular seeds. Just last year i got these plants going as mothers. Then as i am seeing some phenos become damaged and about to lose an "only one", i see the Silver fluid being advantageous to this whole pursuit. Just a couple years ago, i was sprouting seeds like rolling dice in hopes of getting a keeper female for the outdoor season. That had to end. Now i am wanting to grow these from seed. I am evolving to the next step of making FEM seeds. This BlackWater i ran this year is nice and has a pleasant terpene profile. She will be the 1st i make S1 seeds with. It should be a hoot and a relief to sprout seeds. Trying to time clones for the outdoor season is rough with the hardening off part and switching hours. It gets forgotten about. So again, evolving my grow to make it easy on me.

Hey bro, what beans have you created yourself? I got some good stuff... I’m trying to make a batch of purple moby haze fem beans... and working on the f2...

 

[Backlipslide]

Found an old pic on its maiden run. BlueCheese and Mangoes in there.

I found where you’ve been hiding! Haven’t saw you around in a while lol

 

[Pat Puffer]

...oops.

 

[Pat Puffer]

@Enjoil

Let's try this again.

2) BluCheez×Mango f1's & f2's - Look at my journal and i discuss this strain a touch concerning my new strain. Buds are HUGE! & foxtaily. Slammin high. Unusual aroma but good. Terrible branching ability. That is why her energy stays focused and makes huge buds.

3) (BluCheez×Mango)×BluCheez - This strain is odd. The structure is impeccable but the 2 plants i have grown smell acrid. Terrible. Burnt plastic or something and strong smelling. I want to use the strain to outbreed and see what happens.

4) (BluCheez×Mango)×BluWater - You can see this plant grow in my journal. These seeds are unstable and any thing could come from them. This strain is a beast and grows uncontrollably. My plant this year tastes like Spearmint. Great bud structure. The pheno i found is trichy like BluCheez. Grows buds like the Mango. Intense hybrid high. Zero CBD. Update...the herb cured to a Mojito smell; citrus & mint.

5) BluWater - This 1:1 has been inbred and i get pure CBD plants in the seeds. Great pheno potential. Original plant smelled of grape soda. F2 smelled of cotton candy. Another f2 also smelled of cotton candy and pure CBD.

8) Mango f2's - These seeds grow lanky tall and herm a little. Nothing to terrible and never ruin a grow. Always a few seeds after. The one i grew this year stinks of fruit a vaporous fuel.

9) (Sour×Skunk)×Mango - Sour came from NYCDiesel (auto). Skunk came from a Lavender×Skunk and my Mango. Never grown.

10) Skunk×Unknown - Lavender×Skunk crossed with a brilliant unknown. The 1st plant i grew stayed 4 ft tall outdoors and each plant yielded 2 lbs. Unreal. Mediocre high. Bulks up first then trichs up. Huge long buds. Great wake and bake. Light and calm. Will give a couple seeds.

11) (Skunk×Unknown)×BluWater - Never grown. Finally a short description.
12(BluWater×Skunk)×(CBDCompassion Lime×Skunk) - The lime was an auto. "BluLimeSkunk" Never grown.

13) NYCDiesel×Skunk - "SourSkunk". These seeds will be inbred to give seeds that will carry the recessive auto gene. I hope to isolate and make my own auto seeds.

14) BluWater×Skunk - Never grown.

15) Lavender×Skunk f2's & f3's - Great pheno potential and zero seeds. The hermie trait when present is not bad, except for that dealer strain.

16) BluSkunk×AC/DC - Very few seeds and still more to come.

17) BluSkunk×Harley-Tsu - Very few seeds and still more to come

...always keep track of your strains and ALWAYS label. Do not ever assume we will have the memory to get back to them and label them...oy!

I am by no means a pro breeder. I do not ever think I will achieve that status nor do i desire it. I use what is given or gifted to me by means outside of myself.

 

[Enjoil]

Holy crap man! That’s like 18 more than I got... lol. I’m working on perfecting a couple. First is the purple moby haze, it’s purple moby dick that I threw some original haze pollen on!
Then I just got some bubblegum beans, I’m going to save some male pollen and throw it on my fruit salad and the ogkz! Man, I’m going to make my own line of super fire! I’m excited! The first bean that popped of the purple moby haze f1 was twins! What are the odds? That the first beans that I made on purpose... the first one that I popped was twins! I broke one but it survived and is doing well.

A lot of your stuff sounds real good man!!! I only have a handful of different beans right now but soon will have more than I can count by my self! And can hook you up with more. I’m super excited about the purple moby haze and the fruit salad x bodega bubblegum!

 

[Grandma Weedstein]

Cheapest reliable method of rooting cannabis cuttings is to cut an end off with some leaves on it, stick it in a glass of water, and place the glass on your kitchen windowsill until the thing roots. That works nearly every time. Well, most methods do, really, on a plant that'll grow roots from a branch when its weight brings it into contant with the ground for a while, lol - but that one is probably the cheapest .

For some reason, I’ve had this work with tomatoes but never with weed — even after waiting for like 2 months. No idea why, I have no problems with my water otherwise.

 

[Pat Puffer]

There are different methods. My method of the passive-wick style in popsicle forms and Vermiculite while being heated from below has my success at near 100%. I will never switch methods. I am not pushing it but rather exposing it to others who struggle like i used to.

 

[Enjoil]

There are different methods. My method of the passive-wick style in popsicle forms and Vermiculite while being heated from below has my success at near 100%. I will never switch methods. I am not pushing it but rather exposing it to others who struggle like i used to.

Hey see if you click on my picture if that start a conversation button pops up.... I can’t find it anymore. Weird.