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[Chuckeye]

Now you can see how sweet your training was. Those are set up nicely for huge colas.

For a guy that has resisted cutting anything healthy it really wasn't that hard to do

I've been pleased in the past with limiting branches but didn't keep up with snipping the mid level ones..

Not this time, I'm taking them All until I see proper buds forming on the remaining branches

Cheers

 

[Chuckeye]

Day 4 and I couldn't be happier

Extreme training is where it's at for me now

I am Definitely Over my aversion to cutting off perfectly healthy growth

Four days of 12/12

Acapulco Gold

Cheers

Cheers

 

[Chuckeye]

Day 6 of 47

I'm only making minor adjustments to their spread so I'll start tracking height growth/day !

Light power may go up tomorrow but still @80%, 79.2/72 F, 50/58 % rh, feed 3.6g/gallon. Roughly 1/3 - 1/2 reservoir/day.

This is my starting point

B to B > widest top center to center, L to L > widest leaf tip to leaf tip....

The Girls

Cheers

 

[Chuckeye]

Day 8 of a total of 49..

Two little white pistils on one branch of the Maui Wowie and Everyone has grown 1/2"/day for the last two days !

I was considering topping all of the branches of the Maui Wowie or coming up with a way to weave them to keep the height down but I think I will wait..

I've grown sativa's before that came out of the gate Strong but didn't stretch as much as expected...

Measured ppm's for the first time, I'm at 640 with 3.6g/gallon

Just a tiny hint of leaf tip burn on all but the coco/Hawaiian Snow, might give her a bump

Being very conservative on watering lately with a rh of ~50%, maintaining two on the dip sticks !

Medium is "wet" just about to the top....

Cheers

 

[Sativa1970]

You don't want to remove any more veg now that you are in flower. That is the food stores and production that will get you through flower. You have pushed all the budding to the tips so topping would defeat that work. Bit of tucking and weaving may be in the future.

The chart is before you switched 12/12? Just so I am reading it right. Mowi was 16 inches soil to top node and 29 inches wide leaf tip to tip? That is roughly where I flip Mowi after standard topping. Can't wait to see the comparison.

 

[Chuckeye]

You don't want to remove any more veg now that you are in flower. That is the food stores and production that will get you through flower. You have pushed all the budding to the tips so topping would defeat that work. Bit of tucking and weaving may be in the future.

I am still pinching off new bud sites/side branches from the tops and will continue for at least another week (?).

Topping the Maui Wowie is a consideration to keep her short.

I will likely just super crop if necessary but I still want those long full cola's.

That was the original plan

Worse case scenario, she will soon have more fan leaves to push growth into the inch plus a day zone.

Let's call it a potential 30" stretch. I have the head room and all of the girls have a nice even canopy now.

If I need to, I'll get creative with whatever is handy to raise the others up to the same canopy height

The chart is before you switched 12/12? Just so I am reading it right. Mowi was 16 inches soil to top node and 29 inches wide leaf tip to tip? That is roughly where I flip Mowi after standard topping. Can't wait to see the comparison.

No, the chart is from day 6 of 12/12 with No more horizontal growth training.

They are free to grow up now so I will start to track "the stretch"

On my last photo grow under HID the stretch averaged 24"...

It was my last auto grow where my Crazy lady the Cafe Racer stretched 41" from first signs of flowering. From a runt to a Giant

The rest averaged 33" !

Cheers

 

[Chuckeye]

Day 9 of 50

Raised three of the girls up to just over the height of the Maui Wowie, being a bit optimistic here

Turns out empty cat litter boxes are good for something

Cheers

 

[Chuckeye]

Day 10 of 51

Half of the girls had their reservoir filled to 1/2 with 4g/gallon of MC.

And hands off on the snipping !

Still only the hint of pistils on the Maui Wowie

Cheers

 

[Chuckeye]

Day 12 of 53

Maui Wowie continues to be an Over Achiever, she grew 2 1/2" in the last 24 hours

At 30" I will have to decide whether to let her be or install a hoop and tie her down...

Had to raise the light, the other girls are averaging an inch

A word about my training/snipping.

We are pretty well at the start of flowering and if any of the lower/secondary side branches are left on right now they have the potential to grow to a foot Or More and turn the plant(s) into bushes...

Not what I want, I'm looking for a limited number of single cola's

Easy peasy trimming and likely not even effect the total yield !

I think I am pushing the light enough @ 80%, the leaves are praying between 30 and 45 degrees. Most are flat and some have only the hint of canoeing. Color is good and there is only a hint of yellow on some of the tips.....

Cheers

 

[Chuckeye]

Day 13 of 54 !

That's 54 days from seed emerging, I would barely have been flipping to flower under HID

Mau Wowie is going to be challenge

Yesterday she grew 2 1/2", today it was 3" for a total of 28 1/2"

Cheers

 

[Chuckeye]

Maui Wowie Only grew 2" today

Flowering seemed to take Forever

Top shots, Columbian Gold

Maui Wowie

And where I am snipping. I have done this all the way down each branch...

At some point these lower branches will start to grow buds instead of branches and I will stop

Cheers

 

[Sativa1970]

Looks like your arrows are snipping the bud sights off in the picture. I know you aren't but just for those fallowing along at home. Removing horizontal growth pushes vertical growth. How much head room do you still have to work with?

 

[Chuckeye]

Looks like your arrows are snipping the bud sights off in the picture.

My thinking is those stems will grow into branches With bud sites well past the third week of flower.

Not what I want ! The goal is a limited number of full cola's, no side branches and minimum trim time.

The question is when to stop snipping to achieve this ? I figure up to another week, at least on the Maui Wowie.

Not sure how much this snipping will effect yield and I do not care, I'm sure I will have enough

To keep it simple I count "flower" from when I flip to 12/12.

But you could say that at day 14 of 12/12 I'm in pre-flower, the first sign of pistils...

I know you aren't but just for those fallowing along at home. Removing horizontal growth pushes vertical growth.

Ah, mixed opinions there. Pruning can also Slow the growth...

Maui Wowie does seem to be in a league of her own, my other three girls are growing more "normally"

But growth per day of 2" - 3" is not unusual for SIP's

Or perhaps she is just a big Girl, it wouldn't be the first plant I've grown that I had to supercrop at five feet

How much head room do you still have to work with?

Eight foot ceiling so I have more room than with my old HID bulb and hood....

The plan for now is to supercrop at 6 feet if necessary

It's just going to be a pain to keep raising the other girls but there is no lack of cat litter boxes

Definitely open to other opinions on this.....

Usually training is aimed towards maximizing yields, this is more about the final plant shape.

Cheers

 

[Sativa1970]

It looks like you are removing these stems. They won't grow into long branches at this point.

But they are what becomes a solid cola. Same plant a few weeks latter.

Removing lower shaded sights to eliminate popcorn makes sense. I am all for experimentation, and looking forward to seeing the results. Just making sure we are looking at the same thing.

The mixed answers on if pruning stunts or drives growth is dependent on when, how much and what you prune. The plant prioritizes branch tips receiving the most light first in the stretch. By removing secondary contenders, all the energy goes to the remaining tips. Removing too much robs stored and potential growth energy causing a stunted growth.

 

[Chuckeye]

It looks like you are removing these stems. They won't grow into long branches at this point.

But they are what becomes a solid cola. Same plant a few weeks latter.

I think you are right. It appears that the Maui Wowie has fully made the transition from veg to flower. It's early on lights on today but growth is only 2" and the stems/bud sites I pointed to have not grown significantly.

Removing lower shaded sights to eliminate popcorn makes sense. I am all for experimentation, and looking forward to seeing the results. Just making sure we are looking at the same thing.

We are looking at the same thing

The mixed answers on if pruning stunts or drives growth is dependent on when, how much and what you prune. The plant prioritizes branch tips receiving the most light first in the stretch. By removing secondary contenders, all the energy goes to the remaining tips. Removing too much robs stored and potential growth energy causing a stunted growth.

Not seeing any "stunted growth" on her but it wouldn't be a bad thing

What I am removing is a very small percentage of the whole.....

Cheers

 

[Chuckeye]

Day 16 of 57

The Beauty Shot from up high

The Undercarriage

The Reality

This is what I see when I open my door in the morning. With the Hawaiian Snow @ 10 1/2" and the Maui Wowie @ 36" I've had to get creative to maintain an even canopy

Maui Wowie is at the back and her pail is sitting directly on her rolling platform !

And my foster parent STILL has not picked up her two girls, sigh....

Plant heights and four days average growth !

Columbian Gold bud

Maui Wowie bud(s)

Temp is 79, rh is 54%, feed @ 4g/gallon of MC. Still only filling the reservoirs with as much as they can drink in a day.

With my rh at that level I get the beginnings of white fuzz on the mediums surface so I'm reluctant to completely fill the reservoir. Just means adding smaller amounts of water every day !

I did make one change, I removed one of my floor fans and installed a higher oscillating fan.

Cheers

 

[Chuckeye]

Day 18 of 59

This is just getting silly now

Two days ago this was a level canopy

For now I'm just going to tilt the light

Maui Wowie was watered to run off yesterday, today her dip stick read less than one drop !

The rest of the girls are around 1/2...

The addition of the higher oscillating fan seems to have the fuzzies under control, even with the rh over 60%

High view...

Cheers

 

[SnoopingAsUsualI]

Day 4 and I couldn't be happier

Extreme training is where it's at for me now

I am Definitely Over my aversion to cutting off perfectly healthy growth

Four days of 12/12

Acapulco Gold

Cheers

Cheers

Looks like body builder back

 

[Sativa1970]

Leaves stretching strait up. Looks like she is on her tippy toes trying to get the cookies off the top shelf.

 

[MedScientist]

Hey Chuckeye! I know I'm late to the party, but... I your new Adventure into LED and training for Bud Bushes! I have also converted from HID Tree growing and think I can actually do better this way too!

I look forward to watching!